The Dodder.

billy2012

Many people been out??

Hows she fishing?

dodderangler

Got 18 yesterday morning all over 2 pound but that's been my worst year in a while. Place was full of poachers on Saturday and Sunday. I reported them on both days and nothing was done about it.

whelzer

dodderangler wrote: »

Got 18 yesterday morning all over 2 pound but that's been my worst year in a while. Place was full of poachers on Saturday and Sunday. I reported them on both days and nothing was done about it.

It will be full of them again with that juicy info available on public forum.

dodderangler

whelzer wrote: »

It will be full of them again with that juicy info available on public forum.

Didn't stop them on Saturday or Sunday so postin I caught 18 over two pound isn't going to change and you know it.

jack01986

All stockies was it Dodderangler?

dodderangler

jack01986 wrote: »

All stockies was it Dodderangler?

Yeah. Biggest was 3 lb but best was a half pounder wildy. Fought harder than any stocky did.
Was a bit to bright yesterday morning though with a lot f fish following spinner until sun hit them and they'd turn away

jack01986

Will be out on the weekend hopefully try to get some on the fly maybe.

uch

dodderangler wrote: »

Yeah. Biggest was 3 lb but best was a half pounder wildy. Fought harder than any stocky did.
Was a bit to bright yesterday morning though with a lot f fish following spinner until sun hit them and they'd turn away

How much is the Dodder License Now D A?

jack01986

I think its still only €10.

billy2012

Went out late last night on got a few smalls one, nothing more than a pound.

Flysfisher

dodderangler wrote: »

Got 18 yesterday morning all over 2 pound but that's been my worst year in a while. Place was full of poachers on Saturday and Sunday. I reported them on both days and nothing was done about it.

What do you mean by poaching? Were they netting or something??

dodderangler

Flysfisher wrote: »

What do you mean by poaching? Were they netting or something??

Season starts on paddys day. They were there on sat and Sunday which is illegal so I'd say that's poaching. Also using maggots which is also illegal.

650gs

Hope you put them back 18 is a bit much

billy2012

Had a few nice ones last night, all in and around 2lbs. Thinking about heading out now but the wind is quite strong.

uch

dodderangler wrote: »

Season starts on paddys day. They were there on sat and Sunday which is illegal so I'd say that's poaching. Also using maggots which is also illegal.

Don't think using Maggots is illegal, just Un-ethical for Trout

Flysfisher

uch wrote: »

Don't think using Maggots is illegal, just Un-ethical for Trout

Lots of clubs don't allow it, not sure about dodder though.

dodderangler

billy2012 wrote: »

Had a few nice ones last night, all in and around 2lbs. Thinking about heading out now but the wind is quite strong.

Was that you I seen last night while I was walking the dog?

jack01986

Got a three today on spiders. Didn't last too long as it was freezing.

_danny_b

Two lovely wild brownies during my lunch break today. On a spider. First fish of the season. About seven or 8 inches. The second one felt like a much bigger fish and had me all excited for a moment. But what a treat for an urban lunch break.

pullandbang

dodderangler wrote: »

Biggest was 3 lb but best was a half pounder wildy. Fought harder than any stocky did.

Can I ask why the Dodder is allowed stock the river given that there is an indigenous native population of fish? Just a general question as it seems IFI (from my understanding) don't allow stockies if there is an existing population of wild fish.

dodderangler

pullandbang wrote: »

Can I ask why the Dodder is allowed stock the river given that there is an indigenous native population of fish? Just a general question as it seems IFI (from my understanding) don't allow stockies if there is an existing population of wild fish.

I think it's just for paddys week. To keep it exciting but sure it doesn't last long. All the trout are triploids.
As I posted about the poachers half of the fish are gone within two days after they stock it.
This year 750 went into it but sure there does be more than 200 people on the river that day.

pullandbang

dodderangler wrote: »

I think it's just for paddys week. To keep it exciting but sure it doesn't last long. All the trout are triploids.
As I posted about the poachers half of the fish are gone within two days after they stock it.
This year 750 went into it but sure there does be more than 200 people on the river that day.

I really meant how come Dodder can release trout when other rivers are prevented from releasing fish by IFI on the grounds that there is an indigenous population already there.

pullandbang

Any response from dodderangler? Would really love to know how you got permission to release fish.

dodderangler

pullandbang wrote: »

Any response from dodderangler? Would really love to know how you got permission to release fish.

You'd have to ask the man in charge of the dodder angler club.
Never said I released them.

pullandbang

dodderangler wrote: »

You'd have to ask the man in charge of the dodder angler club.

Who be that then?

uch

pullandbang wrote: »

Who be that then?

Dodder Anglers Club. Mr. Redmond O'Hanlon, according to:

http://www.fishinginireland.info/trout/east/dublin/dodder.htm

Evac101

Just as a point there is a minor population of rainbows in there (the Dodder) too which, I assume, have come down via the overflow spillway of the lower lake at Botharnabreena - I've caught them in the river off the road up though it is rare to spot them. Whether this would have an effect on the IFI permitting the release of stockie brownies into the lower (Tallaght park and downriver) reaches of the river I don't know.

Another point to consider is that with the destruction/dereliction of the majority of the fish ladders at the weirs there's no easy path of fish moving up or down the river. While I know that there are natural obstructions which present the same type of problem (waterfalls, etc) the weirs have been there so long (at least one of which dates to the 13th century from the little documentation I could source) that perhaps the river is viewed by the IFI as a (poorly) managed resource rather then a natural one?

By no means certain that one, or either, of these would have any bearing the club being permitted to release trout into it *shrug*

*Just to clarify, I'm a member of said club for the last 15 years or so and the most positive actions I've seen taken with respect to managing the water and protecting it's trout have been taken without the involvement of the deeply conservative and reluctant to act committee or in outright defiance of decisions of that committee. While they may have their reasons for adopting their stance they don't seem willing to communicate these being content with a 'that's not how we do this' type answers at AGMs when questioned about it.

dodderangler

Not sure if they still do it but when I used t stock the river with the club about 25 rainbows were put in for the "lucky" angler which I never liked. A rainbow would eat absolutely everything in that river. I know triploid stockies browns will aswell but rainbows are worse.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I can never understand why people want stockie brown trout in their waters. Much better to improve the river environment to promote natural spawning of the wild brownies. My own club hasn't released stockies in decades. The wild brown trout have flourished due to river improvements and toughrestrictions on keep sizes and quantities.

There is no skill or excitement in hooking and landing a stockie. The tradecraft needed to catch and land a decent wild brown trout on the fly is one of the greatest elements in angling.

jack01986

Was out again this morning for a couple of hours the river was running high and fast but not too coloured had some success on spider patterns again. Hoping to get some on the dry fly over the weekend maybe as the water drops off and if it stays relatively warm.

Evac101

Gideon Freezing Scab wrote: »

There is no skill or excitement in hooking and landing a stockie. The tradecraft needed to catch and land a decent wild brown trout on the fly is one of the greatest elements in angling.

But that would prevent a whole bunch of the very casual* anglers that are members of the club form catching and one of the things Red and the rest seem most proud of is the fact that the Dodder Anglers are the largest club in the country....


*Very casual = fish Paddy's Day weekend and camp the pools with maggots and ground bait during the summer. I realise how ****ty I sound saying that.

spaceHopper

Evac101 wrote: »

But that would prevent a whole bunch of the very casual* anglers that are members of the club form catching and one of the things Red and the rest seem most proud of is the fact that the Dodder Anglers are the largest club in the country....


*Very casual = fish Paddy's Day weekend and camp the pools with maggots and ground bait during the summer. I realise how ****ty I sound saying that.

We all have to start somewhere as a kid I was one of those out fishing with maggots on the dodder now I fly fish it from time to time

BoarHunter

Being a fresh new Dubliner, I decided to give the Dodder a go yesterday. Got my Dodder permit and went to look at the river in Bushy Park. Fished for a bit over 30 minutes as I didn't have much time. I just wanted to have a look. Still caught a couple of wee brownies. Nice little fight in them .

The river is looking good. I was fishing with a bead head nymph size 16

jack01986

Managed a few fish the last couple of weeks from the dodder. Got one nice wild fish yesterday on a PTN.

BoarHunter

Cracking fish ! I'm fly fishing the Dodder every night now mainly on PTN actually. Haven't got anything close to this best atm is around 20cm. Catching a good few though which is nice to see.

PM me if you want to share an hour on the river. Always good to listen to locals and so far I haven't seen any other Fly fishermen on the river.... maybe I'm not going the right places !

dodderangler

BoarHunter wrote: »

Cracking fish ! I'm fly fishing the Dodder every night now mainly on PTN actually. Haven't got anything close to this best atm is around 20cm. Catching a good few though which is nice to see.

PM me if you want to share an hour on the river. Always good to listen to locals and so far I haven't seen any other Fly fishermen on the river.... maybe I'm not going the right places !

You prob won't find any other lads fly fishing it ATM. Still to many maggot feeders on it trying to get the last of the stocked fish

jack01986

BoarHunter wrote: »

Cracking fish ! I'm fly fishing the Dodder every night now mainly on PTN actually. Haven't got anything close to this best atm is around 20cm. Catching a good few though which is nice to see.

PM me if you want to share an hour on the river. Always good to listen to locals and so far I haven't seen any other Fly fishermen on the river.... maybe I'm not going the right places !

Thanks it put up a good scrap! Ye I have not seen to many people fly fishing just yet. There has also only been sporadic hatches of flies the times I've been out so not too much opportunity for some dry fly action. I'll PM you during the week if I'm heading out some evening.

BoarHunter

dodderangler wrote: »

You prob won't find any other lads fly fishing it ATM. Still to many maggot feeders on it trying to get the last of the stocked fish

Actually I have seen people fishing static on holes yes... Was walking the bank in Milltown yesterday. Looks like nice pools there but not much activity on the surface.

dodderangler

BoarHunter wrote: »

Actually I have seen people fishing static on holes yes... Was walking the bank in Milltown yesterday. Looks like nice pools there but not much activity on the surface.

Some lovely spots there to fish but as you said there isn't much activity in it which is a pity and they're perfect for trout

Welllmade1745

Was down on the fly tonight, not much doing, loads of maggot and worm fisherman, seems to be a lot of them fishing near Orwell bridge, anyone know if there is many fish left there?

dodderangler

Welllmade1745 wrote: »

Was down on the fly tonight, not much doing, loads of maggot and worm fisherman, seems to be a lot of them fishing near Orwell bridge, anyone know if there is many fish left there?

They havint left that spot since paddys day and probably won't till everything is caught.

Anyone hear of the young lad that drowned up at the reservoir yesterday?
I can't get my head around the amount of signs up there warning people not to swim and yet they still do.
Was talking to the warden last year and he said at least 3 people drown up there a year.

jack01986

dodderangler wrote: »

They havint left that spot since paddys day and probably won't till everything is caught.

Anyone hear of the young lad that drowned up at the reservoir yesterday?
I can't get my head around the amount of signs up there warning people not to swim and yet they still do.
Was talking to the warden last year and he said at least 3 people drown up there a year.

Ye I heard about that all right its pretty terrible.

billy2012

Was down the dodder today and saw this fairly decent sized fish , no idea what he was?? Say he was easily 2lbs, very dark body and a white head??? Anyone any ideas??

jack01986

Got four fish today all on dry fly. All the fresh water coming down the river has made the fish come up for flies on the surface with bit more confidence. Also spotted this stone loach (I think) on the bottom dead unfortunately but I think its a good sign of a healthy river.

dodderangler

billy2012 wrote: »

Was down the dodder today and saw this fairly decent sized fish , no idea what he was?? Say he was easily 2lbs, very dark body and a white head??? Anyone any ideas??

Was it an actual white head or was it marks on it's head?
Stocked fish do have marks on their head from hitting themselves on the side of tanks and such

NakedIrish

Went out for a few hours today along the wall by Dodder Road Lower, starting at the end of Bushy Park and ending up just at the start of Orwell park. Spinning with Mepps #1 and Mepps #2 for the most part, no joy on any fish (I doubt that was the rivers fault ) but it was nice to be away from the computer for a while.

If anyone is heading down to the Dodder and fancies showing a newbie the ropes a bit I'd be happy to meet up and get a few hours in with someone...