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To turn my back on the family farm

  • 16-03-2014 3:54am
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭


    This is something I have often thought about and it has a strangle hold on my life and has been destroying me for years.

    I am 27 now and I know very little about farming, I live in Kerry and my father owns our family farm and he farms it, he has been farming it since he was 13 years of age, he is 63 now and has been farming for over 50 years. His father was very ill throughout his life and as the eldest son he had to step up and run things with the help of his siblings. His father eventually died and ownership passed to his mother.

    He continued farming it for her as she was by now elderly but he never got 1 penny out of that farm until his mother eventually died back in 2008. When I was 18 a few years prior to my grandmothers death my mother and I forced my father into getting his mother to make the will because despite my father working the farm since he was a child she had no intention of ever sharing money with him and wanted to give everything to his sister who was the favorite of my grandmother.

    My grandmother got a stroke in 2008 and eventually died and when the will was read my father had inherited the family farm but my grandmother had left the proceeds of 50 years of farming to my aunt and we reckon she grabbed several hundred thousand euro.

    So now my father has the family farm and I am the only son and I have one sister. I grew up away from the family farm and I know nothing about sheep farming as it is a sheep farm. I never helped my father on the farm as a child and I never went when I was a teenager as my mother would always say, you are only making money for the sister in England and she was ultimately proven right.

    I don't help my father now because I have very little interest in sheep farming, and anytime I ever do we always end up having a huge row and there has been fists thrown over it before. I feel it is a total waste of time really despite this I know I will inherit the farm but like history repeating itself I am more concerned with the money, my father is a wealthy man and prior to inheriting the family farm he worked full time all his life in a good paying job and retired from it 3 years ago to concentrate on the farm and also as he was getting a work pension and huge lump sum to retire. He will get the contributory old age pension in a few years also and this man is not short of money.

    I have fought so often with him over that place that it has deeply fractured our father/son relationship. I left school early and never qualified with anything and only worked in one job in a hotel for a summer and that was 6 years ago. I have spent all my adult life for the last 9 years unemployed and drawing the dole.

    This farm should be mine and let me decide what to do with it. I would never sell it but I will not farm it either, my plan is to plant it as I have no attachment but my father has said he will not sign it over to me because planting land he thinks is some kind of crime against humanity, this is the mentality of the man. The farm is very valuable with its mountain and fields and contains several hundred acres. Couple this to the entitlements and the houses my father owns along with money in the bank and he is a multimillionaire.

    I am the only son and if my father dies first I will inherit everything because my mother will give my sister nothing because her partner is an alcoholic and she is wasting her life with him, I will inherit the land and property but I'm afraid my mother could my sister his money and already last year my mother and I put up a huge battle to stop him buying a house for her, her boyfriend has plenty money as he is a farmer himself but is a raging alcoholic and pisses his money away so we managed to stop him buying the house for them.

    Now he wants me to do a Green Cert and I really don't know what to do because I don't know if his intentions are genuine or not, he says he will sign the place over to me when he turns 66 and gets his third pension because he is short of stamps as he worked in the civil service and they did not count towards the OAP.

    I myself live at home with the parents and just have my dole to survive on as I left school early and have no trades or skills. I never got an education and this has really damaged my prospects.

    I am now seriously thinking of going to Australia as a friend of mine there could get me a construction labouring job with good wages and even though I hardly know a shovel from a pickaxe I'd definitely like to try it. However if I go I'm afraid I will ultimately loose out in the long run.

    Land and Wealth Vs. Adventure & Opportunity.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭jetfiremuck


    My suggestion is to go to Aus, spend some time getting perspective. Travel always broadens the mind. Makes no sense fighting within the family as the and and money has tainted relationships. I your father is healthy etc the tw years abroad should ge you sorted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭Value Hunter


    Go to Australia, you need to learn to stand on your own two feet.

    9 years on the dole is ridiculous, putting it down to a lack of education or training is no excuse. What were you doing on the dole during the boom?? Don't mean to be harsh but I think your problem is having no work ethic more than anything else. How many training courses did you take up during these 9 years? How many night classes, how many internships, work experiences etc etc.

    You also seem to begrudge your father being a wealthy man, from your post he comes across as an extremely hard working man.

    You also have a great sense of entitlement! Declaring this farm should be yours to do with as you please. Your not the one who put five decades of work into it.

    You've being living under your fathers roof as an adult for 9 years, most likely without contributing financially, and won't even help him do the work on the farm. What do you do on a typical day?

    You've had a charmed life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Liverpool23 years


    You've only worked once in 6 years? You live at home and don't help your old man on the farm? Are you for real?what makes you say you are entitled to the farm??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭jayod30


    Sounds like a whole load of bullsh1t if you ask me. My 3 yr old could've wrote something more believable


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭donegal11


    How have you gotten 9 years dole without even being pushed into some sort of scheme/education.Australia sounds great but as you appear to be very workshy, how do you think you'll cut it on a busy building site.

    With regards the farm as soon as you inherit say goodbye to your dole. But what's to say if you don't inherit soon and your sister has a child that your father wouldn't leave it to them?

    It's sad that theres so many young men wanting to get into farming and someone who has no interest inheriting a large chunk of countryside:(. But in fairness if you have no involvement with farming/lived on farm what does your father expect.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Bodacious


    this is not real and if it were the only man id be feeling sorry for would be the dad.. bitch of a mother, son a complete loser and a lifetime of work going down the drain


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭donegal11


    Bodacious wrote: »
    this is not real and if it were the only man id be feeling sorry for would be the dad.. bitch of a mother, son a complete loser and a lifetime of work going down the drain

    He got the farm ahead of all other siblings. The mother knew he was well of and didn't leave every penny to him is fair enough. Anyway accumulating an apparent several hundred thousand euro as a widowed sheep/hill farmer is quiet an achievement:eek:.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 165 ✭✭royalmeath


    9 years on the dole
    You sound like a top class lad.
    Fist fights with your father
    You are either suffering from depression or your a lazy brat.
    Im not going to suggest you move to Oz because they generally
    take people who are willing to work, but you could get off your ars
    and get yourself a job anywhere in Ireland and move away from home.
    Stop feeling sorry for yourself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭biddy2013


    Stinicker wrote: »
    This is something I have often thought about and it has a strangle hold on my life and has been destroying me for years.

    I am 27 now and I know very little about farming, I live in Kerry

    So now my father has the family farm and I am the only son and I have one sister.



    This farm should be mine and let me decide what to do with it. I would never sell it but I will not farm it either, The farm is very valuable with its mountain and fields and contains several hundred acres. Couple this to the entitlements and the houses my father owns along with money in the bank and he is a multimillionaire.

    I am the only son and if my father dies first I will inherit everything because my mother will give my sister nothing because her partner is an alcoholic and she is wasting her life with him, I will inherit the land and property but I'm afraid my mother could my sister his money and already last year my mother and I put up a huge battle to stop him buying a house for her, her boyfriend has plenty money as he is a farmer himself but is a raging alcoholic and pisses his money away so we managed to stop him buying the house for them.

    Now he wants me to do a Green Cert and I really don't know what to do because I don't know if his intentions are genuine or not, he says he will sign the place over to me when he turns 66 and gets his third pension because he is short of stamps as he worked in the civil service and they did not count towards the OAP.

    I myself live at home with the parents and just have my dole to survive on as I left school early and have no trades or skills. I never got an education and this has really damaged my prospects.

    I am now seriously thinking of going to Australia as a friend of mine there could get me a construction labouring job with good wages and even though I hardly know a shovel from a pickaxe I'd definitely like to try it. However if I go I'm afraid I will ultimately loose out in the long run.

    Land and Wealth Vs. Adventure & Opportunity.
    So your father worked everyday and eventually got the farm, you do nothing and assume the farm is yours:eek::eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭TITANIUM.


    Stinicker wrote: »
    This is something I have often thought about and it has a strangle hold on my life and has been destroying me for years.

    I am 27 now and I know very little about farming, I live in Kerry and my father owns our family farm and he farms it, he has been farming it since he was 13 years of age, he is 63 now and has been farming for over 50 years. His father was very ill throughout his life and as the eldest son he had to step up and run things with the help of his siblings. His father eventually died and ownership passed to his mother.

    He continued farming it for her as she was by now elderly but he never got 1 penny out of that farm until his mother eventually died back in 2008. When I was 18 a few years prior to my grandmothers death my mother and I forced my father into getting his mother to make the will because despite my father working the farm since he was a child she had no intention of ever sharing money with him and wanted to give everything to his sister who was the favorite of my grandmother.

    My grandmother got a stroke in 2008 and eventually died and when the will was read my father had inherited the family farm but my grandmother had left the proceeds of 50 years of farming to my aunt and we reckon she grabbed several hundred thousand euro.

    So now my father has the family farm and I am the only son and I have one sister. I grew up away from the family farm and I know nothing about sheep farming as it is a sheep farm. I never helped my father on the farm as a child and I never went when I was a teenager as my mother would always say, you are only making money for the sister in England and she was ultimately proven right.

    I don't help my father now because I have very little interest in sheep farming, and anytime I ever do we always end up having a huge row and there has been fists thrown over it before. I feel it is a total waste of time really despite this I know I will inherit the farm but like history repeating itself I am more concerned with the money, my father is a wealthy man and prior to inheriting the family farm he worked full time all his life in a good paying job and retired from it 3 years ago to concentrate on the farm and also as he was getting a work pension and huge lump sum to retire. He will get the contributory old age pension in a few years also and this man is not short of money.

    I have fought so often with him over that place that it has deeply fractured our father/son relationship. I left school early and never qualified with anything and only worked in one job in a hotel for a summer and that was 6 years ago. I have spent all my adult life for the last 9 years unemployed and drawing the dole.

    This farm should be mine and let me decide what to do with it. I would never sell it but I will not farm it either, my plan is to plant it as I have no attachment but my father has said he will not sign it over to me because planting land he thinks is some kind of crime against humanity, this is the mentality of the man. The farm is very valuable with its mountain and fields and contains several hundred acres. Couple this to the entitlements and the houses my father owns along with money in the bank and he is a multimillionaire.

    I am the only son and if my father dies first I will inherit everything because my mother will give my sister nothing because her partner is an alcoholic and she is wasting her life with him, I will inherit the land and property but I'm afraid my mother could my sister his money and already last year my mother and I put up a huge battle to stop him buying a house for her, her boyfriend has plenty money as he is a farmer himself but is a raging alcoholic and pisses his money away so we managed to stop him buying the house for them.

    Now he wants me to do a Green Cert and I really don't know what to do because I don't know if his intentions are genuine or not, he says he will sign the place over to me when he turns 66 and gets his third pension because he is short of stamps as he worked in the civil service and they did not count towards the OAP.

    I myself live at home with the parents and just have my dole to survive on as I left school early and have no trades or skills. I never got an education and this has really damaged my prospects.

    I am now seriously thinking of going to Australia as a friend of mine there could get me a construction labouring job with good wages and even though I hardly know a shovel from a pickaxe I'd definitely like to try it. However if I go I'm afraid I will ultimately loose out in the long run.

    Land and Wealth Vs. Adventure & Opportunity.

    This tool has to be rising us guys. Don't think there's a dole merchant bum in the country as thick or as detached from reality as this gob****. Has to be a wind up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,749 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    'To turn my back on the family farm'


    Erm, you did that way back when, when you never helped your father out with the farm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭augustus gloop


    the dole for 9 years and living at home with mammy??
    and yet you won't even lift a finger to help your ageing father on the farm he worked all his life on?
    AND now you want to swan off to Oz?
    you need a good kick in the hole me boy!!
    grow up!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭7ofBrian


    On the dole 9 years? You're not fit to make tea on a building site!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭7ofBrian


    On the dole 9 years? You're not fit to make tea on a building site!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Zoo4m8


    TITANIUM. wrote: »
    This tool has to be rising us guys. Don't think there's a dole merchant bum in the country as thick or as detached from reality as this gob****. Has to be a wind up.

    Absobloodylutly! Leave him to it.....:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    The alco thats motoring your sister will be off the drink soon and your father is going to leave the farm to them , I just know it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Zoo4m8 wrote: »
    Absobloodylutly! Leave him to it.....:mad:

    I'd tend to agree, however I'll remain open minded, it possibly is the voice of a very depressed person, in which case us blasting him will do zero help. Anyways if it is, then I recommend you go to a councillor or your local GP etc asap. And finally, the most suitable quote in this case, and lets face it we all have had moments in life where we have thought why me etc, "The world owes you nothing, it was here first", and this strikes true in this case.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    In fairness every parish has a lad like this.
    Best thing is off to OZ and do a bit if labouring.

    I find these lads swiftly return home with an appetite to work their farms to ensure their enheritance as it's only then they realise how much their fathers are doing in setting them up with a good business.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 531 ✭✭✭munkus


    http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057122026/1/#post88403180

    This lad's full of ****. Funny what a run through previous posts turns up. Hope the iPhone is going well and nice to see you've travelled the world. Did ya put that 25 grand into the Swiss bank account?

    Honestly didn't know 9 years on the dole paid that well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭EamonKilkenny


    Somebody has just leaked the script to Emmerdale I think!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    The OP is full of SH*T. Had a quick look at his posting history, for a lad that has never worked in his life he has done some amount of travelling all over the world. He also said that he hoped France would beat Ireland in the rugby.

    If I was your father I know what I'd be doing and it wouldn't involve giving you a farm of land.

    Edit. Munkus got there before me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,233 ✭✭✭shamrock55


    Id burn the ****ing farm to the ground before id let you have it lad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    Anyone see Walter mitty recently. This lad could give him a run for his money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭mf240


    Well in fairness op when it comes to trolling you are fairly thorough, you got in all the buzz words, long term dole planting land selling farm ect.

    I also notice your have "dumbed down" your writing style compared to your other posts, a nice touch if I may say.

    Good effort, well done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    Very true, and all too common. I can also empathise with the situation as it's not a million miles from my own. I busted my a55 buying and building up both a farm and a business, literally worked 18 hours a day for nigh on 20 years. I have 2 sons, neither of whom would know where the field boundaries lie. The eldest works in the business I established but it's only the size of my fists that keeps him from sleeping 24-7 to be honest. The youngest is too young yet but appears to be a bit more of a goer. Neither of them is bound to either the farm or the business, they can do as they please afaiac, but 9 years doing nothing?? Not happening.

    OP, you're lucky you have a more relaxed father than my kids do - you'd be drawing disability, not the dole if it was me you had to face every morning, bad as that will sound to some. My sympathies go to your father, who sounds like he's had it rough from the start and has had to tolerate a lot. You need to get off your ar5e OP and start working on some of your responsibilities and less of your entitlements. And if the OP is bull, well there you go.

    Will you ever decide to just cut the oldest lad out of your business if he is not inclined to muck in ? My younger brother is lazy as sin around the farm and TBH I dont know how the father hasnt burst him from some of the cheek he gets back when he asks him to do something .

    I have two young lads myself but dont think I'd bring them to work with me if it could be helped , it will be interesting to see how they pan out though !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    moy83 wrote: »
    Will you ever decide to just cut the oldest lad out of your business if he is not inclined to muck in ? My younger brother is lazy as sin around the farm and TBH I dont know how the father hasnt burst him from some of the cheek he gets back when he asks him to do something .

    I have two young lads myself but dont think I'd bring them to work with me if it could be helped , it will be interesting to see how they pan out though !

    See, it's hard when it's your own family. I employ almost the whole family at this stage, and mostly, it's fine, as I'd be fairly strong-minded and don't entertain guff of any sort tbh, but the only thing getting him up in the mornings is the pay-check and the fact he'd get the hair-dryer from me if he didn't. It's not really what you'd call enthusiasm. As he starts to get more financially secure, that will be when things turn out one way or the other. I've no interest in feathering the nest of someone who is going to be a waster. Time will tell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭onyerbikepat


    It's a very well put together piece, grammar-wise, puntuation etc, for a guy with very little education. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭jim-mcdee


    I feel sorry for your dad. If I was him, I would give leave the farm to a charity in my will. And if this is a wind up, I feel sorry for you. Sad either way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭whitebriar


    I thought it was a hijacked account until I read this post... From 3 years ago.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71495904

    It could still be a hijacked account,but I doubt it.
    I'd suggest the op talks to his father but I'm afraid if there's been 15 yrs of no responsibility and laziness ,it's likely to go on that way.
    It will be so ingrained that he won't change sadly.
    I'd imagine Australia would be a disaster,if there's no work ethic.
    Penny less in Sydney wouldn't be pretty.

    I'd appeal to the op to Cop on ,his life is not fully ruined , only semi ruined yet.
    Get up off your arse and change it.
    Somehow I feel this will fall on deaf ears.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    whitebriar wrote: »
    I thought it was a hijacked account until I read this post... From 3 years ago.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71495904

    It could still be a hijacked account,but I doubt it.
    I'd suggest the op talks to his father but I'm afraid if there's been 15 yrs of no responsibility and laziness ,it's likely to go on that way.
    It will be so ingrained that he won't change sadly.
    I'd imagine Australia would be a disaster,if there's no work ethic.
    Penny less in Sydney wouldn't be pretty.

    I'd appeal to the op to Cop on ,his life is not fully ruined , only semi ruined yet.
    Get up off your arse and change it.
    Somehow I feel this will fall on deaf ears.

    OP until this post I taught it was definatly a troll. Not sure now. You come across as a lazy git that his mother spoiled. At least you sisters husband sound even if he is an alacholic that he is willing to work.

    So your grandmother decided to leave a few hundred K to an aunt in England. Your father worked his ass off all his life. Hopefully he lives well into his 90's. This will make you nearly sixty. Just think how much of your life you will have wasted waiting for you so called entitlement hmmm sorry inheritance.

    Hopefully at that stage a son of your sister will have worked himself into your fathers esteem and he gets the land. I have seen the likes of this before and it never ends the way you want.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭A cow called Daisy


    munkus wrote: »
    http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057122026/1/#post88403180

    This lad's full of ****. Funny what a run through previous posts turns up. Hope the iPhone is going well and nice to see you've travelled the world. Did ya put that 25 grand into the Swiss bank account?

    Honestly didn't know 9 years on the dole paid that well.

    Ya, was just checking that out myself when phone 'died'. Said he visited 31 different countries and drives a bmw. Dole is great. My advice to him is go to Australia and save this country money. My advice to father is give land to anyone except your son. There are dogs homes would appreciate it more. That's presuming there is even a grain of truth in this story.
    But you are getting people to respond which is probably all you wanted


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭biddy2013


    have to laugh too at the fact he is the son he will get the farm:rolleyes: as my dad says all my kids are equal-thank god:D-A neighbour was saying how their son keeps saying when will they sign the farm over , he is blackmailing them by saying he will move his family away if they dont sign over soon- total prick,he is an only son with 3 sisters


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    I just spent the last half hour reading some of his previous posts. If all else fails he can work in the circus as a clown. Off shore bank accounts, 1 mill in the bank, hard graft repairing sheds, 9 years on the dole, multiple trips abroad, the never ending list of pure tripe.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    What I wrote is the truth, I have been unemployed for long periods over the last 9 years and bar a few weeks work here or there with a friend who is a self employed builder and a few stints in a hotel then yes I have been unemployed. I'd sign off the dole for a month if I had work and have done it before but I have never had regular employment for a long stretch of time.

    Yes I do travel alot because I have some money which came into my possession when I turned 18, this came from my mothers side of the family. I travel abroad because I am bored with life in Ireland and have nothing to do here. People think I have no work ethic this is entirely untrue and when I have work I burst my gut at it, I want to be working but this is not happening in Ireland right now for me.

    I could burst my gut daily on the family farm but what would I get in return? No pay or thanks only the expectation that I should do it because it will all be mine someday in the future. This is what my father did all his life only to inherit the land and not a single penny of the money he had created for his mother. I will never work a day on that farm until I own it and I will not allow history repeat itself and have the same thing happen to me as happened my father.

    My father had a job throughout his life and was by no means exceptionally rich and it was not until the celtic tiger era that he truly increased his wealth but this money was not generated from farming or his job income. A few brief gambles on the property market between 2003-2005 created this and then again it took my mother and I massive lengths to prevent him squandering this wealth on him buying more farmland at hugely inflated prices and we basically saved his bacon. Now he knows we were right but still has a Bull McCabe like mentality to land. I am not jealous of my father and I am proud of what he has achieved in his life considering where he came from and had little opportunity, he has done well and I all want is for to be like him in a way.

    People blast me and say I am lazy and have some sort of entitlement mentality. I'd rather be working and stand on my own feet but there is absolutely no work in Ireland for me. I know I can fall back on the farm when it comes to me and make a living from it through forestation. I will never farm it now as the will is not in me to farm but I would never sell it as it has been in the family since the 1600's.

    I know if I hang on in Ireland I will inherit but I really don't know when and my family history suggests my parents will both live well past Eighty and my parents are in good health so I really don't know what to do or what will happen. In an ideal world for me my father would transfer ownership to me when turns 66 leaving me free to begin forestation and do my own thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Stinicker wrote: »
    What I wrote is the truth, I have been unemployed for long periods over the last 9 years and bar a few weeks work here or there with a friend who is a self employed builder and a few stints in a hotel then yes I have been unemployed. I'd sign off the dole for a month if I had work and have done it before but I have never had regular employment for a long stretch of time.

    Yes I do travel alot because I have some money which came into my possession when I turned 18, this came from my mothers side of the family. I travel abroad because I am bored with life in Ireland and have nothing to do here. People think I have no work ethic this is entirely untrue and when I have work I burst my gut at it, I want to be working but this is not happening in Ireland right now for me.

    I could burst my gut daily on the family farm but what would I get in return? No pay or thanks only the expectation that I should do it because it will all be mine someday in the future. This is what my father did all his life only to inherit the land and not a single penny of the money he had created for his mother. I will never work a day on that farm until I own it and I will not allow history repeat itself and have the same thing happen to me as happened my father.

    My father had a job throughout his life and was by no means exceptionally rich and it was not until the celtic tiger era that he truly increased his wealth but this money was not generated from farming or his job income. A few brief gambles on the property market between 2003-2005 created this and then again it took my mother and I massive lengths to prevent him squandering this wealth on him buying more farmland at hugely inflated prices and we basically saved his bacon. Now he knows we were right but still has a Bull McCabe like mentality to land. I am not jealous of my father and I am proud of what he has achieved in his life considering where he came from and had little opportunity, he has done well and I all want is for to be like him in a way.

    People blast me and say I am lazy and have some sort of entitlement mentality. I'd rather be working and stand on my own feet but there is absolutely no work in Ireland for me. I know I can fall back on the farm when it comes to me and make a living from it through forestation. I will never farm it now as the will is not in me to farm but I would never sell it as it has been in the family since the 1600's.

    I know if I hang on in Ireland I will inherit but I really don't know when and my family history suggests my parents will both live well past Eighty and my parents are in good health so I really don't know what to do or what will happen. In an ideal world for me my father would transfer ownership to me when turns 66 leaving me free to begin forestation and do my own thing.

    Maybe that's the fact why your not getting it?
    Why do you think planting is the best option?
    Planting is the last option or the lazy way out


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    what sort of work suits you? list your ideal job at least.

    you say your not lazy yet you wont help your father out until its signed over, he has burst his gut to rear a family, does that alone not make you in some way compelled to maybe return the favour? how in your right mind bar a feeling of entitlement alone can you even sit down and eat a dinner cooked by your parents without going out and trying to help them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Maybe that's the fact why your not getting it?
    Why do you think planting is the best option?
    Planting is the last option or the lazy way out

    It is the best economics for the place, my father refuses to see this because he has money and a sentimental attachment to the land. I never grew up there and all it is to me is equity on which you should get the maximum profit out of.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    Stinicker wrote: »

    I could burst my gut daily on the family farm but what would I get in return? No pay or thanks only the expectation that I should do it because it will all be mine someday in the future. This is what my father did all his life only to inherit the land and not a single penny of the money he had created for his mother. I will never work a day on that farm until I own it and I will not allow history repeat itself and have the same thing happen to me as happened my father.

    Yes, Yes you should if you have noting else to do as you are unemployed. It might give you a 'feel' for the work and the land, you can do a Green Cert to aid your knowledge if you're not doing anything else.

    I will be the most surprised person in Ireland if you inherit that farm. I suspect your father knows well your attitude to it. I am sure he would rather leave it to someone who wants it, I am sure he has neighbors etc. young lads or ladies who help him out. Or your sisters family. ETA So form what I can gather you want to do nothing with the farm until you own it? And you expect your father to give you a business in spite of the fact you have done nothing with if, shown no interest, will nor want to use or develop it? Ok. Good luck with that one!!

    Anyway that is beside the point. You CAN get a job if you want one. Stacking shelves, working in a shop, factory, waiting tables, takeaway, security even. I have done it and continue to do it. You don't need an education, or a LC to do these jobs. I currently work for free at the moment on top of doing an MA! You can volunteer, intern, jobs bridge. Working on the farm is a valuable use of your time and you get to learn an awful lot about using your initiative, time management, responsibility etc. etc. All good to build up a workable CV. You do, however, have to want to work. This I feel is the main sticking point. Once you have solved this little problem all of your problems will fall into place I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Miname wrote: »
    I just spent the last half hour reading some of his previous posts. If all else fails he can work in the circus as a clown. Off shore bank accounts, 1 mill in the bank, hard graft repairing sheds, 9 years on the dole, multiple trips abroad, the never ending list of pure tripe.

    Who ever knew the dole and mountain sheep could be so profitable ....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 195 ✭✭theKillerBite


    I don't see why your father would give you the land tbh, at least your sister is making a life for herself and will soon start her own family. Your father will much more likely leave the farm to her than a layabout son.

    You need to wake up OP and change your ungrateful, selfish attitude. You're wasting your life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    your father would hunt you down with a shotgun if you put the land he slaved over for 50 years into forestry !

    have you no sense of pride ???

    get yourself educated in farming help your dad and pull your finger out

    your attitude stinks and you will break that mans heart


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I owe my father nothing and my parents really messed up my life when I was a kid in that they never sorted out my educational problems. I left school at 14 with nothing and despite my own appeals to be sent to private boarding school this was refused and I was left at home. I was bullied out of school as a kid and my parents failed me in providing an education to their son.

    I was assessed and found to have an IQ twice above average. I have ADD and thus can't concentrate on anything and found classroom type environments to be awful. I am reluctant to do a Green Cert course due to this and also don't see the point of it as I will never be a farming person. As others pointed out I have suffered from depression in the past (silently) and nearly been driven over the edge on more than one occasion due to these life pressures.

    I think part of my parents reluctance to allow me progress was so as to try and keep me at home to run the farm, ever since those days I just tend to do the opposite of whatever they want me to do. This is just how I am and I don't have a great relationship with my father and that farm has caused so many problems in the family that my mother often says it was cursed the day she met my father because of that place.

    I want to have my own life but I am not bowing out without getting what is rightfully mine as birthright with me either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    using the online facility,I Have dropped a line to the fraud hotline at the social welfare. With a link to your posts. They Will have no difficulty getting your identity from Boards and you can explain how getting large sums of money from relatives and 9 years Dole can co exist. Have fun!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 531 ✭✭✭munkus


    Stinicker wrote: »

    I was assessed and found to have an IQ twice above average.

    Ha, my fu#kin hole you do. You're some gimp. This is good craic as I'm a fan of fiction myself. I'd say you'd make some job of the farm of you took over now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    IQ half the national average, considering the stuff your putting out into the public forum!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭zarquon


    Stinicker wrote: »

    I was assessed and found to have an IQ twice above average.

    You have an IQ of 208 then! Seriously, not only are you lazy, with a poor work ethic and massive sense of entitlement, you are an awful spoofer. What standardized tests did you take to obtain such a score??? Sh1tty online tests are not accurate.

    Also blaming your parents for your lack of education is pathetic. I am sure coming into to a big inheritance at 18 turned you away pretty quickly from thoughts of education unfortunately you now realise that gravy train will end and now you are looking to the next gravy train whilst still sponging from your hard working parents.

    TWICE AN AVERAGE IQ!!!!!!!!! Only a moron would post that as that would put you in the top 10 most intelligent people in the world - quite a feat for a dole fiend who grew up on a farm but never learnt anything about farming:rolleyes:

    BTW, I'm a mensa member myself. What's your membership name on there and i'll look you up, even though i would be border line intelligent by your incredibly high standard


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    OP, you sound like a complete waster tbh. If your father had any sense he'd throw you out on your ear and let you fend for yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭zarquon


    OP, you sound like a complete waster tbh. If your father had any sense he'd throw you out on your ear and let you fend for yourself.

    OP has an IQ over 200 - he'll be fine. Oh wait, he's living at home and a dole scrounger for 6 years with some brickie work and a few months part time in a hotel encompassing his entire CV -Hmmm.....something does not compute!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭Liamalone


    What an absolute tool this guy is, I feel sorry for his aul boy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    Troll Troll Troll not worth the effort. Actually I hope you are a troll for your own sake. If not go to a counceller and sort your **** out because you have huge issues. You say you owe your father notting, he put you here and raised you. FFS lazy gimp


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