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Roads moan

  • 10-03-2014 5:44pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭


    [moan]
    Does anyone know when the Council will finish screwing up the city?

    Sullivan's quay is down to one lane now I saw at the weekend.
    Pope's quay has traffic queues at 6.30am due to the lane 'improvements'!
    You cannot park outside Abrakebabra on Patrick's St for collections anymore - parking spaces are now a taxi rank.

    The worst is Washington street tho - it's been a building site for about 3 months now, with only 1 lane. The Traffic lights at the junction of Woods street and Washington street have been broken for months. I've seen several near car crashes there.
    The left turning lane at the junction of Washington street and Donovan road has been closed for weeks due to some type of foothpath repairs - which don't seem to be happening. This is forcing all traffic into one lane.

    I'm fed up with it.

    First world problems maybe, but I'm doing my best to avoid Cork City for anything these days, the City Council don't seem to factor car users into their plans at all - despite car users making up 90% of the commuting population according to the data:
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/0215/ireland/plan-to-beef-up-access-to-cityaposs-train-station-222761.html
    "Cork City has relatively low public transport usage — just 8% of commuters in the city and the suburbs using public transport, compared to 21% in Dublin," Mr Kelly said.

    "Cork also has a relatively low cycling share with just 2% of commuters using bikes to get to and from school and work.

    The bit that makes me laugh is I haven't seen any cyclists using the bike lanes on Washington street!

    Once I can change my gym membership out of the city, I won't need to care any more.

    [/moan]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    Just the way the government works. They are introducing a bike scheme similar to the one up in Dublin towards the end of the summer, so they have probably been allocated funds to make the roads more bike friendly. They can't spend this funding towards anything else, and what they don't spend would have to be returned, so they go a little crazy, spending as much as possible putting in cycle lanes and the like. From what I've seen, the cycle lanes don't have to be designed in such a way to encourage their use, the just need to be built before the funding runs out.

    Probably a good idea to have some lanes though. I expect a lot of inexperienced cyclists on the roads when the scheme starts. But even then, as a cyclist myself I've seen some of the stuff they've done and I can guarantee you nobody will use it, e.g. the raised cycle path next to the bus station is completely pointless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    I'm all for cycle lanes, but I do wish that cyclists would then use them.
    Was heading into the airport, and a cyclist was out on the road ignoring the cycle/pedestrian lane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭evilivor


    I'm all for cycle lanes, but I do wish that cyclists would then use them.
    Was heading into the airport, and a cyclist was out on the road ignoring the cycle/pedestrian lane.

    Most cycle lanes are too dangerous due to bad design - starting and stopping randomly - full of drains, litter, leaves and other detritus. That, combined with lack of maintenance is why the law was changed, removing the requirement of cyclists to use them.

    What they are doing in the city centre is creating a new cycling infrastructure designed for the new City bike rental scheme. The nature of these schemes is to encourage non-cyclists or tourists to try them so they are creating these newer, safer lanes separated from traffic by a kerb as the riders, naturally, won't have helmets etc - not that they should need them.

    As long as they can be policed they will be great but from what I saw the other evening most motorists seem to think these lanes are just new free-parking areas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,730 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    Some cycle lanes have brutal surfaces.

    Anyone notice the cycle lane heading from the roundabout at the top of the well road heading towards the silver key, it always seems to be full of parked cars whenever I pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭evilivor


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    Some cycle lanes have brutal surfaces.

    Anyone notice the cycle lane heading from the roundabout at the top of the well road heading towards the silver key, it always seems to be full of parked cars whenever I pass.

    It seems that to be the case that motorists are entitled to park in cycle lanes when they are at mass.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    evilivor wrote: »
    It seems that to be the case that motorists are entitled to park in cycle lanes when they are at mass.

    Also if you're just popping in to the shop to quickly get something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭MrFrisp


    evilivor wrote: »
    It seems that to be the case that motorists are entitled to park in cycle lanes when they are at mass.



    Motorist can, and do park anywhere when they are at mass.

    Corners, bends, double yellow lines..

    Must be a special breed. :rolleyes:
    .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    evilivor wrote: »
    Most cycle lanes are too dangerous due to bad design
    That is true, but the lane at the airport doesn't fall into the category and still isn't used.
    evilivor wrote: »
    What they are doing in the city centre is creating a new cycling infrastructure designed for the new City bike rental scheme.
    I've only used the one in Paris, and it was great.
    But unless they build it correctly, then I'm not sure how much use it'll be in Cork.
    evilivor wrote: »
    won't have helmets etc - not that they should need them.
    Helmets should become a requirement, even in cycle lanes. I'm only speaking from my own experience as someone who uses a bicycle/car, and seen cyclists try some crazy maneuvers.
    Guess it's difficult to implement with the rental scheme.
    evilivor wrote: »
    As long as they can be policed they will be great but from what I saw the other evening most motorists seem to think these lanes are just new free-parking areas.
    True. But it's not just a driver issue, I've send cyclists mount pedestrian areas and come dangerous close to knocking down people.
    As for parking, I've come across a number of bicycles tied up at random areas that affect pedestrians on the street (ignoring the bicycle parking area a few meters away).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭evilivor


    That is true, but the lane at the airport doesn't fall into the category and still isn't used.


    I've only used the one in Paris, and it was great.
    But unless they build it correctly, then I'm not sure how much use it'll be in Cork.


    Helmets should become a requirement, even in cycle lanes. I'm only speaking from my own experience as someone who uses a bicycle/car, and seen cyclists try some crazy maneuvers.
    Guess it's difficult to implement with the rental scheme.


    True. But it's not just a driver issue, I've send cyclists mount pedestrian areas and come dangerous close to knocking down people.
    As for parking, I've come across a number of bicycles tied up at random areas that affect pedestrians on the street (ignoring the bicycle parking area a few meters away).

    Research suggests that the last of helmets in traffic is safer for cyclists as motorists can see them for the vulnerable road users that they are. And it is important for motorists to realise that cyclists are not pedestrians-on- wheels - bikes are part of traffic and have the same rights to use roads as motorists.

    As for dick cyclists - I was almost knocked down on Saturday night by a bloke coming up at speed, behind me on the pavement, headphones on, no lights and then he took off down a one-way street - so you'll get no arguement from me on that.

    As for dick motorists - just before that I walked up I strolled along South Main street where the traffic was fully blocked up as a one motorist had parked in the new cycle lane - and another on the other side of side the street - and a bus was stuck there with no space to pass - waiting for one or other of the drivers to return and move their car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Its fine putting in cycle lanes where there's space, but taking away various filter lanes around the city to facilitate cycle lanes has caused traffic chaos. The traffic is regularly backing up past Parliament Bridge now that the filter lane at the end of Sullivans Quay has been removed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Dannyboy83


    Contentious Washington St bike lane went ahead against Garda advice
    two cars were involved in separate accidents over the weekend on Washington St after striking the plinth which was installed before Christmas.

    The new layout left just one lane for traffic and has resulted in long tailbacks at rush hour.

    Gardaí expressed health and safety concerns about late-night revellers having to cross the busy road for a cab.

    gardaí are aware of numerous incidents of pedestrians tripping on the concrete structure.

    He said they also have concerns about the “squeezing” of vehicular traffic using the main westbound route of the city centre.

    Completely daft.

    WTF is going on at Cork City Council?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 992 ✭✭✭kcb


    Why do people think that they should be allowed pull in on Patrick St to collect a takeaway!

    The less chances people are given for parking illegally the better.

    Have they done anything to stop people parking on the plaza on Coal Quay yet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭V.W.L 11


    Dannyboy83 wrote: »
    Contentious Washington St bike lane went ahead against Garda advice



    Completely daft.

    WTF is going on at Cork City Council?

    What makes me laugh is the council claim they have no money,yet they can do this work at god knows what cost and its likely it'll need to be undone costing more money,only in Cork would this happen on more than 1 occasion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    kcb wrote: »
    Why do people think that they should be allowed pull in on Patrick St to collect a takeaway!

    The less chances people are given for parking illegally the better.

    Have they done anything to stop people parking on the plaza on Coal Quay yet?

    Nope, that's still a free for all free parking on the footpath situation despite being alongside a Garda station.
    They did finally stop that carry on in Emmet place, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Dannyboy83


    kcb wrote: »
    Why do people think that they should be allowed pull in on Patrick St to collect a takeaway!

    The less chances people are given for parking illegally the better.

    Have they done anything to stop people parking on the plaza on Coal Quay yet?

    There were legal parking spaces on Patricks St. until recently.
    There was no illegal parking.

    Now those spaces are gone, so perhaps now the illegal parking has started?
    (I can't say because I no longer use the service/avoid the city amap)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    kcb wrote: »
    Why do people think that they should be allowed pull in on Patrick St to collect a takeaway!
    Because they can in the loading bays, outside of the times indicated.
    Otherwise it's a ticket/clamp.
    kcb wrote: »
    The less chances people are given for parking illegally the better.
    I'm all for that, but it's a pity the council don't apply common sense to some of their decisions when it comes to parking.
    kcb wrote: »
    Have they done anything to stop people parking on the plaza on Coal Quay yet?
    I'd regard that plaza, down towards the Garda station, as another waste by the council.
    I never park there as the signs say no parking, but then I see cars parked there in the evenings and at night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 992 ✭✭✭kcb


    Because they can in the loading bays, outside of the times indicated.
    Otherwise it's a ticket/clamp.


    I'm all for that, but it's a pity the council don't apply common sense to some of their decisions when it comes to parking.


    I'd regard that plaza, down towards the Garda station, as another waste by the council.
    I never park there as the signs say no parking, but then I see cars parked there in the evenings and at night.

    Are punters allowed use Loading Bays, even if it's "just for a minute"?

    Parking on plazas like that amaze me three fold: 1. The ignorance of the parker, 2. The ease in which it could be avoided (a few bollards) and 3. how the authorities ignore it, despite it being a major accident waiting to happen (wait until a kid is knocked down)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    MrFrisp wrote: »
    Must be a special breed. :rolleyes: .

    Not especially, Rugby followers are arguably the worst offenders, followed by GAA patrons, perhaps. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    kcb wrote: »
    Parking on plazas like that amaze me three fold:

    It is designed for parking and vehicle access is allowed for 'trading' purposes. It is also discussed on local radio how regularly Sunday Morning parking attracts parking tickets en-mass.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    kcb wrote: »
    Are punters allowed use Loading Bays, even if it's "just for a minute"?
    Outside of the loading bays times (marked on the signs) they can park there.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    Some cycle lanes have brutal surfaces.

    Anyone notice the cycle lane heading from the roundabout at the top of the well road heading towards the silver key, it always seems to be full of parked cars whenever I pass.

    You mean where there WAS a perfectly functional roundabout, and there is now a pollution chugging set of idiot lights that leave cars queued randomly when nothing is coming? That comes to 1.1 million euro of your taxes please, puny taxpayer.

    Yeah, people park there because there is a busstop nearby. They head into town for the day. They also park there for the ginormous paddy power office. And on the double yellows on churchyard lane around the corner. When i've called the traffic warden, he wanders over to the betting office, lets people know tickets will be issued in ten minutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    pwurple wrote: »
    When i've called the traffic warden, he wanders over to the betting office, lets people know tickets will be issued in ten minutes.

    Maybe you should call the one that patrols the South Mall, apparently he's a whippet and earned the City the greatest percentage of their parking ticket bonanzas last audit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 992 ✭✭✭kcb


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    It is designed for parking

    If this is true that is just incredible in so many ways! Hopefully it is not one of the Corpo's or city planners' kids that is knocked down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    Does anyone know what the procedure is for the bollards blocking Oliver Plunkett Street? The barrier at the Parnell Place end is raised yet one or more of the barriers blocking access from South mall are left down - often for hours and hours - most Saturday mornings especially. The one on Pembroke Street is rarely ever raised. It's bloody annoying have to keep getting out of the way as yet another car drops someone off outside the GPO and then goes the length of the street and off out Grand Parade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Does anyone know what the procedure is for the bollards blocking Oliver Plunkett Street?

    I don't quite follow what you are on about?

    The City Centre is a Pedestrian Zone with special access from 11am to 5pm last I heard.

    That means that the general public motorist is obliged not to enter with his motor vehicle during those times.

    Special access is allowed all day, a bollards monitor [or maybe more than one] has a zapper as does some other vehicle crews. I don't know the very exact details as I'm no longer on the ground there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    I don't quite follow what you are on about?

    The City Centre is a Pedestrian Zone with special access from 11am to 5pm last I heard.

    That means that the general public motorist is obliged not to enter with his motor vehicle during those times.

    Special access is allowed all day, a bollards monitor [or maybe more than one] has a zapper as does some other vehicle crews. I don't know the very exact details as I'm no longer on the ground there.

    More that I've often walked along Pembroke Street after 11am yet the barrier is still down. There was a period last summer where I don't think it was raised at all as I was in and out at all hours yet never saw it in the up position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    More that I've often walked along Pembroke Street after 11am yet the barrier is still down. There was a period last summer where I don't think it was raised at all as I was in and out at all hours yet never saw it in the up position.

    They have had problems with a few of the barriers actually doing what they were designed to do, a few cars have been speared by them, I've noticed the South Mall Pembrooke Street seems constantly up now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    It's certainly down between 9am and 11am (ish) on Saturday mornings as I'm usually in and out of the city centre via Pembroke Street at that time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭evilivor


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    I don't quite follow what you are on about?

    The City Centre is a Pedestrian Zone with special access from 11am to 5pm last I heard.

    That means that the general public motorist is obliged not to enter with his motor vehicle during those times.

    Special access is allowed all day, a bollards monitor [or maybe more than one] has a zapper as does some other vehicle crews. I don't know the very exact details as I'm no longer on the ground there.

    This is correct in theory. What happens in the actuailité is that other authorised vehicles have access - An Post, security vans, Gardai - and that's fine.

    What also happens is that others get in by more unorthodox means. There is a car I see almost every day that drives the wrong way up Marlboro Street and then parks on OPS and other cars drive up the side streets further down to join OPS.

    The best I ever saw was a guy one lunchtime, about two years ago, driving a Toyota Corolla the wrong-way down the pedestrianized street. I saw an older gentleman remonstrate with him and the driver aid if he didn’t F…off he’d "break his F…ing legs”.

    I have seen drivers passing Gardai on the street who seem blissfully ignorant of any wrongdoing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Going Strong


    There's that red Range Rover as well that's often parked on the pedestrianised part of Cook Street as well. Presumably belonging to the owner of one of the premises there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭evilivor


    There's that red Range Rover as well that's often parked on the pedestrianised part of Cook Street as well. Presumably belonging to the owner of one of the premises there.

    Yes. Know it well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 992 ✭✭✭kcb


    There's that red Range Rover as well that's often parked on the pedestrianised part of Cook Street as well. Presumably belonging to the owner of one of the premises there.

    While the rest of us drive around diligently looking for a legal place to park, paying our ParkMagic etc.

    Unreal brazeness from the driver and unreal lack of attention from the traffic wardens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Dannyboy83


    evilivor wrote: »
    Most cycle lanes are too dangerous due to bad design - starting and stopping randomly - full of drains, litter, leaves and other detritus. That, combined with lack of maintenance is why the law was changed, removing the requirement of cyclists to use them.

    What they are doing in the city centre is creating a new cycling infrastructure designed for the new City bike rental scheme. The nature of these schemes is to encourage non-cyclists or tourists to try them so they are creating these newer, safer lanes separated from traffic by a kerb as the riders, naturally, won't have helmets etc - not that they should need them.

    As long as they can be policed they will be great but from what I saw the other evening most motorists seem to think these lanes are just new free-parking areas.

    I've been paying attention since you wrote this and I can only conclude you're quite correct.

    On 3 seperate occasions, I've seen taxi men flying down the 'bike lane' to skip traffic on Washington street.

    But yesterday evening, a cyclist was nearly killed as a result of this deadly behaviour. Bad enough the taxi man didn't see the cyclist, but the speed he was doing was daft, even for an empty street.

    Either they'll fix that footpath finally and open up the second lane of traffic, or it won't be long until some cyclist actually is killed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,562 ✭✭✭kub


    evilivor wrote: »

    What they are doing in the city centre is creating a new cycling infrastructure designed for the new City bike rental scheme. The nature of these schemes is to encourage non-cyclists or tourists to try them so they are creating these newer, safer lanes separated from traffic by a kerb as the riders, naturally, won't have helmets etc - not that they should need them.

    As long as they can be policed they will be great but from what I saw the other evening most motorists seem to think these lanes are just new free-parking areas.

    I suppose so the City Council are going to change typical Irish weather as well to encourage cycling, are they?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    kub wrote: »
    I suppose so the City Council are going to change typical Irish weather as well to encourage cycling, are they?
    Not just that, but the city seems a bit small to have the scheme.
    I hope it works out, I'm just not sure that it's worth the investment.

    I've used the London and Paris ones, and they were good value, but only because we did quite a bit of travelling on them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Dannyboy83 wrote: »
    Either they'll fix that footpath finally and open up the second lane of traffic, or it won't be long until some cyclist actually is killed.

    My personal predication is one hundred dead cyclists city wide in two years.

    Mark and note.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭MrFrisp


    Dannyboy83 wrote: »


    Either they'll fix that footpath finally and open up the second lane of traffic, or it won't be long until some cyclist actually is killed.



    The latter..

    No way will they go back to the way it was..No matter what life is in danger, or what it does to traffic congestion they won't care.

    Already a number of cars have been damaged by the new layout, and all the Council say is "give it time".

    They think they are right by doing it this way, and that's the way it's going to stay.

    In my opinion, they have "fixed" something that was not "broke".
    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭deRanged


    The contra-flow cycle lane on Washington St. needs more warning signs. it brings cyclists past drivers who are turning right, but watching left for traffic - they won't see cyclists coming from the right.

    I wonder will they extend the 30km/h zone out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭evilivor


    deRanged wrote: »
    The contra-flow cycle lane on Washington St. needs more warning signs. it brings cyclists past drivers who are turning right, but watching left for traffic - they won't see cyclists coming from the right.

    I wonder will they extend the 30km/h zone out?

    I wonder will they enforce the existing 30km/h zone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,658 ✭✭✭Milly33


    Ims till sorry to the cyclist I splashed, I think ive seen him twice since but he looks very very not in good mood. Anywho, back to it not a roads moan but cyclist please use the roads properly and motorbike user's. Annoyed today driving into douglas and first cyclist I passed was tops in his lane and made sure to watch out for him when the cyclist lane ends to give him loads of room. So them stopped at the first lights and up comes a motor bike on the inside of the next lane over grand skipping the q while she could (q of two cars that was). Then she skipped infront of me fine, then at the next lights. She done the same thing took over on the wrong side of her lane and skipped into the junction box in front of the one car that was in front of her, and stopped up there. Your not suppose to stop in these boxes for a reason so to go out of the way tuttut, bad form. Then Mr lovely cyclist was in his proper lane after stopping at the lights waiting like us all and this lady with a high vis vest comes up behind him, stops then gets bored and cycles on through the red lights and then crosses over two lanes as she was in the wrong one to start with and again skips ahead to turn off left but ahead of the line so was in the wrong lane again.. Just shame on ye shame...I wish I had had some pie to throw out the window at ye


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    Milly33 wrote: »
    Ims till sorry to the cyclist I splashed, .....

    Now, this ladies and gentlemen, is how to moan. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,658 ✭✭✭Milly33


    why thank you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭kooga


    DEnnehys Cross Junction

    driving from victoria x to dennehys x what have the done to the light sequence letting cars turn right onto model farm road. the traffic is backed all the way down to blackwater motors service garage all this week!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,421 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    As car owners we are getting a raw deal to say the least.
    We buy cars, which contribute to jobs which keep people off social welfare. We pay VRT, car tax and extortionate taxes at the pumps yet we are shafted for cyclists, who contribute nothing to the exchequer/ economy, nothing absolutely diddly squat.:mad:

    I mean do the city engineers/planners actually think this stuff through or does it just look good on paper and they just go with it, they should get in a car and drive around the circus they have turned Washington st into.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    rob316 wrote: »
    As car owners we are getting a raw deal to say the least.
    We buy cars, which contribute to jobs which keep people off social welfare. We pay VRT, car tax and extortionate taxes at the pumps yet we are shafted for cyclists, who contribute nothing to the exchequer/ economy, nothing absolutely diddly squat.:mad:
    Not all cyclists just have a bicycle :)
    I have both a car and a bicycle.
    So when you do see a cyclist, don't just conclude that they don't contribute (and they may be contributing via their payslip tax).

    Plus, it's probably more likely that the cyclist will be fitter and more healthy than the person puffing on a fag or munching into a breakfast roll while driving their car :), possibly resulting in less tax money spent on their heath-care down the line.

    I just don't see the value in a lot of the cycle lanes been proposed.
    There isn't the cycling population to support it, and I don't believe that it'll increase that population to justify the spend (we don't have the reliable weather to encourage a significant number of people).

    Anyway, it's not really a car driver V's cyclist debate.
    It's about the poor job been done by those in City Hall who manage the roads in the city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,421 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Not all cyclists just have a bicycle :)
    I have both a car and a bicycle.
    So when you do see a cyclist, don't just conclude that they don't contribute (and they may be contributing via their payslip tax).

    Plus, it's probably more likely that the cyclist will be fitter and more healthy than the person puffing on a fag or munching into a breakfast roll while driving their car :), possibly resulting in less tax money spent on their heath-care down the line.

    I just don't see the value in a lot of the cycle lanes been proposed.
    There isn't the cycling population to support it, and I don't believe that it'll increase that population to justify the spend (we don't have the reliable weather to encourage a significant number of people).

    Anyway, it's not really a car driver V's cyclist debate.
    It's about the poor job been done by those in City Hall who manage the roads in the city.

    Hey

    Good post, a lot of points I wanted to get across but Im in the mood for a rant more :D

    You hit the nail on the head there, there just isn't the cycle population to support such radical changes to the city roads. That is my issue, I see very little cyclists and loads of cars on the roads and I feel the motorist is been shafted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Dannyboy83


    rob316 wrote: »
    As car owners we are getting a raw deal to say the least.
    We buy cars, which contribute to jobs which keep people off social welfare. We pay VRT, car tax and extortionate taxes at the pumps yet we are shafted for cyclists, who contribute nothing to the exchequer/ economy, nothing absolutely diddly squat.:mad:

    Cork in particular is getting a raw deal compared to the rest of the local authorities.
    Cork motorists ‘subsidising’ repairs elsewhere
    Friday, March 28, 2014

    A Fine Gael TD says “a gross injustice has been perpetuated by successive governments” on motorists in Cork who are subsidising road repairs in other counties while they watch their own crumble.

    Jim Daly is in discussions with the Department of Environment to provide what he claims will be a better road maintenance service to Cork motorists after they coughed up €130m in road tax last year, 12.25% of the national take.

    Yet when it came to payback from the Government for road maintenance, Cork received just 8.4% of national funding — meaning it is subsidising other counties, according to Mr Daly.


    I mean do the city engineers/planners actually think this stuff through or does it just look good on paper and they just go with it, they should get in a car and drive around the circus they have turned Washington st into.

    I don't understand the planning or implementation process, so I can't really say why it's wrong or how they can improve it.

    I am very surprised that they can so easily overrule the police and Health&Safety objections. The retailers around the city are also quite pissed off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭evilivor


    rob316 wrote: »
    Hey

    Good post, a lot of points I wanted to get across but Im in the mood for a rant more :D

    You hit the nail on the head there, there just isn't the cycle population to support such radical changes to the city roads. That is my issue, I see very little cyclists and loads of cars on the roads and I feel the motorist is been shafted.

    Which is why they are building an infrastructure to encourage more people to cycle. In every other city where cycling safety has been prioritised - cycling participation has increased.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,421 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    evilivor wrote: »
    Which is why they are building an infrastructure to encourage more people to cycle. In every other city where cycling safety has been prioritised - cycling participation has increased.

    We talking Irish or other European cities?

    Its been pointed out we don't have the weather or that bike riding culture.
    The roads are in **** around the place and we are spending money on cycle lanes and widening footpaths, how couldn't you see something wrong with that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    evilivor wrote: »
    Which is why they are building an infrastructure to encourage more people to cycle. In every other city where cycling safety has been prioritised - cycling participation has increased.
    I don't think anyone will argue that cycling participation wouldn't increase.
    But this Island gets that Atlantic weather first up, I don't believe that we'll see people abandon cars/buses to hop on their bike and get soaked.

    Despite the benefits of having a motor bike (easier parking, get through traffic quicker), risking a downpour is just one of the reasons why we don't see a higher uptake.
    I have a friend that has a car and motor bike and he checks the weather before deciding which to take to work. It's been a while since he could trust the weather :)

    I'm open to being convinced on this.
    What is the current cycling participation in the city, and what is the expected increase?
    If there is currently 100 cyclists and that would jump to 200, then I don't believe that is value for money (not for the millions been spent). But if it was to jump from 100 to 1000, then we would be seeing a viable change.

    Isn't Cork a bit small for the bike rental scheme?
    I'm only basing it off my experience in Paris and recently London, where I was travelling maybe 2-4 miles at a time, and found it very useful.
    Is there a similar city that we can compare Cork to in terms of population/size/roads/weather/climate?


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