Milking Parlour Quote

TheSunderz

Wel Chaps
Recently got a quote for a 10 unit parlour that im considering building (hope to enter milk production in 2017). Thought id share the quote to get a few opinions off ye? Total came in at €40,000 excluding vat wasnt given individual pricing

-1 x DVP12-- vacuum units complete with motor
-1 x IV75 interceptor vessels
-1 x 12 gallon receiving jar c/w sanitry taop
-2hp milk pump and stainless steel milk filter
-10 x 27ltr recording jars (prob wont bother wit these)
-2 x 2 electronic pulsation with air breather line
-75mm pvc vacuum line
-2 inch stainless steel milk line
-2 inch wash vacuum line
- 10 unit jetter cup wash syatem
-10x MC31 high capacity clusters
-2xSS 130ltr rectangular wash troughs
-10 x unit heavy duty set of rails with gates
-10 x unit set of tombstone barriers
-10 x unit set of orby compressed air feeders
-10 x unit flex auger system c/w 2 drive units
-washdown pump supplied and fitted

meal bin and bulk tank extra! round another €20,000 for them.

wats yer opinons.
Thanks in advance!!!!

Greengrass1

I got a deal on my parlour as I'm related but its not as much as that. Don't want to put up price or spec. but if I was paying full whack I'd say it would be 40k inc vat

TheSunderz

so you think i could get a better quote! planning on shopping around but just want to know wat to expect!

dar31

Got a quote today of 8.5k ex vat for a variable speed vacuumed pump, nearly fell down

awaywithyou

dar31 wrote: »

Got a quote today of 8.5k ex vat for a variable speed vacuumed pump, nearly fell down

Have you 3phase....? We're getting vari speed vac pumps with the new parlour... Having done a bi of research into them. They seem to be a great investment...

Greengrass1

dar31 wrote: »

Got a quote today of 8.5k ex vat for a variable speed vacuumed pump, nearly fell down

Really?
That's not coming on mine I think

bbam

Why wouldn't you bother with recording jars ?
I'd have thought regular milk recording would be a huge thing to understand your cows and select better stock.

Greengrass1

bbam wrote: »

Why wouldn't you bother with recording jars ?
I'd have thought regular milk recording would be a huge thing to understand your cows and select better stock.

Bit of an obstical in the parlour.
Ye can do DIY recording as much as ye want for 2e a cow

dar31

awaywithyou wrote: »

Have you 3phase....? We're getting vari speed vac pumps with the new parlour... Having done a bi of research into them. They seem to be a great investment...

Yea 3 phase going in at the moment.
Current v, pumps wore out choice of new pump and motor for 2.5k, but will be putting in new greenfield parlour in next 5 years or varaible speed pump which can be moved to new parlour in the future, pump capable of running up to 30 units
Looking like the get me out if a jam option

TheSunderz

bbam wrote: »

Why wouldn't you bother with recording jars ?
I'd have thought regular milk recording would be a huge thing to understand your cows and select better stock.

never asked for em tbh but a thimk de add about €600 per unit extra! but i dont tink der wud be needed anyway

maxxuumman

OP, any dumpline,plate cooler, water heater or teat spraying?
10 units, how many you planning to milking?

jaymla627

dar31 wrote: »

Got a quote today of 8.5k ex vat for a variable speed vacuumed pump, nearly fell down

Is it gold plated our something unless your running an 80 unit rotary our something 2 grand is the max you should be charged...have a quote here for a 20 unit and the pump is coming in at 2 grand

Timmaay

Got a quote of 25k for a basic Gascoigne (with pump to drive 12unit), and 30k for a similar fullwood, but specified to drive 14units. This includes installation, stallwork, mangers etcetc, ie a working parlour. Feeders are extra, 700 might get you a double individual fed feeder, so 10 of them, another 7k, batch feeders would be cheaper, maybe 3/4k. Start adding in cluster remover/milk yeild recorders etc and you can quickly add on a grand/unit.

Now does anyone else have prices for a new 10unit parlour, which is coming in more competitive than the 2 figures I have? And any recommendations between either?

Edit: actually looking at your figures, feeders including, so probably not a huge amount in it.

farmerjj

bbam wrote: »

Why wouldn't you bother with recording jars ?
I'd have thought regular milk recording would be a huge thing to understand your cows and select better stock.

You can milk record without jars!!!

mahoney_j

Westfalia parlour here with loads of bells and whistles (acrs,dump line,vari speed vacume ,feed to yield system,milk meters,vacume gates,iq clusters,auto washer)100% happy with it cost over6500 a unit but mobey extremely well spent.milks 70 cows in 45 minutes without cutting corners .best investment there has been on this farm after the obvious ones like cows,grassland etc.one bit of advice I'd give is leave room for more units and to add on gadgets later as well as leave put wide enough.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Westfalia parlour here with loads of bells and whistles (acrs,dump line,vari speed vacume ,feed to yield system,milk meters,vacume gates,iq clusters,auto washer)100% happy with it cost over6500 a unit but mobey extremely well spent.milks 70 cows in 45 minutes without cutting corners .best investment there has been on this farm after the obvious ones like cows,grassland etc.one bit of advice I'd give is leave room for more units and to add on gadgets later as well as leave put wide enough.

Was that including building the parlour Mahoney?
Cost us 15k to put in all concrete work, tank and stalls for 12.
It is a bit wider than it should be.
If we had of been on the ball when we were building it we would have got a crush in it as well instead of building inside from the pillar's.

Hindsight is a great thing

charleysurf

we put in the Gascoigne 7 years ago, 20 units it was something like £16,600 once the vat was claimed back, and £8,800 after a grant. for that price all you get is a very very basic parlour. can remember the difference between 2x2 and 4x0 pulsation was something like 2,000. swing over arms were quoted at £150 each while droppers were £50 each. made up my own swing over arms for £5 so if you enjoy welding theres huge savings to be made

Greengrass1

charleysurf wrote: »

we put in the Gascoigne 7 years ago, 20 units it was something like £16,600 once the vat was claimed back, and £8,800 after a grant. for that price all you get is a very very basic parlour. can remember the difference between 2x2 and 4x0 pulsation was something like 2,000. swing over arms were quoted at £150 each while droppers were £50 each. made up my own swing over arms for £5 so if you enjoy welding theres huge savings to be made

You would want to be a good welder to weld stainless steel.
Any chance of a photo?

charleysurf

didn't use any SS in the swing over arms. i run the milk tubes through 1 1/4" blue band pipe which makes up the arm. as i say its just as basic as it gets but its milks the cows and scc and tbc are grand.

I've a picture on my laptop but no idea how to upload it on here

stanflt

24 unit rapid exit baling 170k plus vat

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Was that including building the parlour Mahoney?
Cost us 15k to put in all concrete work, tank and stalls for 12.
It is a bit wider than it should be.
If we had of been on the ball when we were building it we would have got a crush in it as well instead of building inside from the pillar's.

Hindsight is a great thing

U better sit down greengrass,just parlour ,bin ,augers,computer.may seem excessive but most other elements of farm here have been taken care of.cows lots of them and good ones too including heifers proposed expansion taken care off too.paddocks and roads all in place as well as sheds and slurry storage.soil indexs mistly good,tested in jan ,no ibdex1 ,good shRe of 2 and 3 and some 4.chances of land comming up besides me slim but I'll be ready if it those .

John_F

stanflt wrote: »

24 unit rapid exit baling 170k plus vat

what spec? auto id, meters or indicators, with feeding? & most importantly what make :cool:

similar machine to mahoney here but vac pumps are not variable (on single phase here) and didn't put in dumpline

Greengrass1

Lads that have the dumpline. Do you actually use it?
Would you manage just aswell with buckets?

jack o shea

to extend from 6 units to 8 or 10 would you need a whole new vacuum pump and machine or would it be just the pipes and main milk jar?

Greengrass1

jack o shea wrote: »

to extend from 6 units to 8 or 10 would you need a whole new vacuum pump and machine or would it be just the pipes and main milk jar?

Depends on how much units the pump you have can run

jack o shea

Dont know that greengrass how would a lad find out?what about the actual machine part?

Sam Kade

jack o shea wrote: »

Dont know that greengrass how would a lad find out?what about the actual machine part?

What make of pump is it and what model?

jack o shea

must check it later sam, its a fullwood.

maxxuumman

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Lads that have the dumpline. Do you actually use it?
Would you manage just aswell with buckets?

During spring time, always in use. It's a necessity IMO.
Here during springtime, fresh calvers are in with the main bunch straight away. If they were segregated or coming in in the last row, maybe wouldn't use it as much, but for me to have the fresh calvers deprecate would be to awkward for housing and too labour intensive. And then there's the odd time one gets mastitis, you not faffing around with a bucket, and she's not slowing up milking.
It's just another labour saver, makes life a little easier.

TheSunderz

maxxuumman wrote: »

OP, any dumpline,plate cooler, water heater or teat spraying?
10 units, how many you planning to milking?

the jars would act as a dump line?? but will prob not bother with dem and install a dumpline. Plate cooler etc. extra id say, wasnt written in on quote. Planning on millkin 80 max on current land base.

Sam Kade

Some crazy money being spent on parlours, how do ye fund it?

mahoney_j

Sam Kade wrote: »

Some crazy money being spent on parlours, how do ye fund it?

I pulled mine from under the mattress,ive a few quid left for a rainy day shhhh dobt tell anyone!!

TossL1916

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Lads that have the dumpline. Do you actually use it?
Would you manage just aswell with buckets?

dumpline is an absolute must for larger parlours.
It really comes into its own around this time of year, well worth the money

jack o shea

how much xtra is a dumpline?

maxxuumman

Sam Kade wrote: »

Some crazy money being spent on parlours, how do ye fund it?

Sam, there's lads spending a lot more than that on tractors to let off some spotty teenager on it. And that machine is only fit for a scrap heap after 10yrs. Tis along term investment. Farmers are expected to put a lot of cows through their hands every day on their own and then go out and run the farm. It's money well spent IMO

Sam Kade

maxxuumman wrote: »

Sam, there's lads spending a lot more than that on tractors to let off some spotty teenager on it. And that machine is only fit for a scrap heap after 10yrs. Tis along term investment. Farmers are expected to put a lot of cows through their hands every day on their own and then go out and run the farm. It's money well spent IMO

That's true but the banks are only lending short term 5-7 years so for anyone starting off there are plenty other expenses as well. If you had to borrow for everything you would end up milking for the bank until the loan is paid off.

exercise is the antidote

Sam Kade wrote: »

That's true but the banks are only lending short term 5-7 years so for anyone starting off there are plenty other expenses as well. If you had to borrow for everything you would end up milking for the bank until the loan is paid off.

Thats the thing sam I wouldn't mind doing that, but It doesn't mean I'll be accepted on them terms. It's no boder do the work its getting the money to start!

awaywithyou

Sam Kade wrote: »

Some crazy money being spent on parlours, how do ye fund it?

wont tell you what the bill for our new machine will be so....:pac:

but as someone else said.. its a milking machine... the most important piece of equipment in your yard.... absolutely nothing is more important than it.... so you might as well have a good one that will ensure you milk cows in an hour - hour and a half.... and they will be milked and fed properly while there in there.... and you will have time to go away and do all other jobs on the farm as well as having time for yourself....

i would never have an issue with lads blowing serious money on a milking machine... anyone that went down that route are the happiest lads in the world today... there cows are milked in top class facilities... and the operator is at ease doing the job.... win win for farmer and cows.... mahoney_j being the perfect example

keep going

TossL1916 wrote: »

dumpline is an absolute must for larger parlours.
It really comes into its own around this time of year, well worth the money

For me I'd prefer to pput in good drafting rather than dumpline as the drafting is handy for lots of things and I like the fact that you can deal with these cows last.at this time of year all I do is stick in an extra cow or two so there is no unit idle and its handy to squeeze the heifers

kevthegaff

Il keep going with a 12 unit for another 5-7 years then im gona put in a 20+ unit with removers. i used to milk a 20 unit and its hard going back to a smaller parlour now

bbam

awaywithyou wrote: »

wont tell you what the bill for our new machine will be so....:pac:

but as someone else said.. its a milking machine... the most important piece of equipment in your yard.... absolutely nothing is more important than it.... so you might as well have a good one that will ensure you milk cows in an hour - hour and a half.... and they will be milked and fed properly while there in there.... and you will have time to go away and do all other jobs on the farm as well as having time for yourself....

i would never have an issue with lads blowing serious money on a milking machine... anyone that went down that route are the happiest lads in the world today... there cows are milked in top class facilities... and the operator is at ease doing the job.... win win for farmer and cows.... mahoney_j being the perfect example

We don't milk but I've worked in hundreds of parlours and the only lads with regrets I've met are lads who get a "bargain" second hand machines
Most turn out to be sub standard compromises. There is the odd bargain out there from time to time but in general they are old and outdated. In my experience one reason lads get out of milk is their machine is old and too expensive to update, them the machine is bought by some sap thinking he has the bargain of the century.

farmerjj

Whats average side of new parlour nowadays??

mahoney_j

farmerjj wrote: »

Whats average side of new parlour nowadays??

I'd say a 12 maby 14 unit.still see lads putting in 6 unit parlours which I think is mad.what amount of rows would lads be happiest milking ,for me it'd be 8 rows

Viewtodiefor

bbam wrote: »

We don't milk but I've worked in hundreds of parlours and the only lads with regrets I've met are lads who get a "bargain" second hand machines
Most turn out to be sub standard compromises. There is the odd bargain out there from time to time but in general they are old and outdated. In my experience one reason lads get out of milk is their machine is old and too expensive to update, them the machine is bought by some sap thinking he has the bargain of the century.

What would you install if getting back into milk bbam? Also regards centre 2'2" or 2'6"? Just curious wht ya think

mahoney_j

awaywithyou wrote: »

wont tell you what the bill for our new machine will be so....:pac:

but as someone else said.. its a milking machine... the most important piece of equipment in your yard.... absolutely nothing is more important than it.... so you might as well have a good one that will ensure you milk cows in an hour - hour and a half.... and they will be milked and fed properly while there in there.... and you will have time to go away and do all other jobs on the farm as well as having time for yourself....

i would never have an issue with lads blowing serious money on a milking machine... anyone that went down that route are the happiest lads in the world today... there cows are milked in top class facilities... and the operator is at ease doing the job.... win win for farmer and cows.... mahoney_j being the perfect example

Fully agree. My logic behind spending so much on mine was that most other elements of my farm were in pretty good nick and just need yearly maintaining.if I had big money to spend on roads,reseeding ,slurry storage and accommodation then I'd proably of put in a 10 unit with room to go to 14 (where I'm at now)and just go with acrs and the feed to yield package.)my 2 main concerned were cow comfort and efficiency.

farmersfriend

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Lads that have the dumpline. Do you actually use it?
Would you manage just aswell with buckets?

Once u get used to a dump line u wouldn't be without it.

slippy wicket

Heres a quote I got last year.

14 unit non-recording

1 1600 vac. pump
1 4hp direct drive motor
elec. 2x2 pulsation
S/s receiving unit w fmp 110 milk pump
air purge to bulk tank
75mm vac. line
76mm s/s milk line
52mm low level wash line w swing out jetters
14 mc 31 clusters
14 swing over arms
dump line complete
14 150b cluster removers
f17 indicator meters and samplers

43000

14 unit rails n gates

3900

14 unit troughs et al

4300

14 cashman air feeders + gubbins

12600

=== 63800 + vat

cute geoge

slippy wicket wrote: »

Heres a quote I got last year.

14 unit non-recording

1 1600 vac. pump
1 4hp direct drive motor
elec. 2x2 pulsation
S/s receiving unit w fmp 110 milk pump
air purge to bulk tank
75mm vac. line
76mm s/s milk line
52mm low level wash line w swing out jetters
14 mc 31 clusters
14 swing over arms
dump line complete
14 150b cluster removers
f17 indicator meters and samplers

43000

14 unit rails n gates

3900

14 unit troughs et al

4300

14 cashman air feeders + gubbins

12600

=== 63800 + vat

What make ? because delaval and dairymaster would add 20000 to that quote

slippy wicket

cute geoge wrote: »

What make ? because delaval and dairymaster would add 20000 to that quote

That's delaval actually, it'd be our second from the same company if we go ahead with it.
We've left a good few thousands with them since they fitted the last one.

cute geoge

Sterling ?

slippy wicket

cute geoge wrote: »

Sterling ?

No that's euro.
I'm in Wexford.