Will the prices ever drop? (Semi-Rant)

witnessmenow

super_furry wrote: »

People need to stop shopping in Gamestop. They're the most expensive place you can buy games, have terrible customer service and rip-off trade-in deals.

In fairness there isnt that many options any more if you want to walk into a shop and buy something.

I would prefer to give money to Gamestop than Xtravision at the moment.

Saying that I dont tend to buy anything in shops, but just saying

calex71

NeVeR wrote: »

Will these games work in Irish machines ?

Will customers hit ya with a fee ?

Whats the shipping to Ireland ?

Xbox one games are region free,

Possible but they mark as dvd media and declare value on the outside as 16.99

$7 I think it was.

Took my games exactly 14 days from dispatch, but at those prices well worth the wait. Be warned though I recall some saying gamestop wouldn't take them as trade ins, I can speak from experience that xtravision will however, I actually got back what I paid on one I traded to them :pac:

Captain Chaos

I find prices are coming down already. I got Thief 4 on the PS4 from Amazon for €52. People have to shop around and stop buying from GS here or online through the PSN store unless there is a sale on. Seeing as how every one now has a Visa Debit card via their ATM card it's easier than ever.

PS4 and X1 games are all region free so try VGP.ca to cheap games.

VinLieger

witnessmenow wrote: »

In fairness there isnt that many options any more if you want to walk into a shop and buy something.

I would prefer to give money to Gamestop than Xtravision at the moment.

Saying that I dont tend to buy anything in shops, but just saying

This we need to just get rid of brick and mortar stores altogether, i know its peoples jobs and its sad and all but the idea of physical media is so close to being obsolete can we not just declare it dead and move on?

Captain Chaos

VinLieger wrote: »

This we need to just get rid of brick and mortar stores altogether, i know its peoples jobs and its sad and all but the idea of physical media is so close to being obsolete can we not just declare it dead and move on?

No, because not everyone has broadband speeds and caps that they can get 40Gb+ games when they want. And because of that physical media will be around for a while yet. At least with region free we are free to choose what country to send our money too.

MS want the X1 to be a download only console but quickly discovered how poor broadband speeds are around the world for a very large percentage of their potential customers.

gizmo

VinLieger wrote: »

This we need to just get rid of brick and mortar stores altogether, i know its peoples jobs and its sad and all but the idea of physical media is so close to being obsolete can we not just declare it dead and move on?

Unfortunately for the platform holders, I think people are still quite attached to their physical consoles.

While I've never seen any figures on the subject, I'd wager the majority of hardware units are still sold in specialist retailers in many parts of the world. While this generation will more than likely see a shift in these supply chains, it's going to have to be a slow process to ensure there aren't any major issues along the way.

MadYaker

If console gamers want cheaper games ditching brick and mortar stores would be a good start. They are going to die out anyway.

johnny_ultimate

We need bricks & mortar shops, if only for competition. When HMV closed, you could actually see a notable increase in the prices of games and DVDs on Amazon because their major competitor was removed from the picture. Even if you don't buy your games anywhere but online, you'd see the prices on Amazon and other sites shoot up quickly if the high street stores were to disappear tomorrow.

That, and sure we'd all miss the unique joy of browsing and finding a genuine bargain

MadYaker

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

We need bricks & mortar shops, if only for competition. When HMV closed, you could actually see a notable increase in the prices of games and DVDs on Amazon because their major competitor was removed from the picture. Even if you don't buy your games anywhere but online, you'd see the prices on Amazon and other sites shoot up quickly if the high street stores were to disappear tomorrow.

That, and sure we'd all miss the unique joy of browsing and finding a genuine bargain

Websites that sell games compete against each other just like brick and mortar stores do. Its just a different marketplace.

calex71

Just to throw it out there as a rarity, but today plant vs zombies garden warfare came out on consoles and it's 29.99 on 360 and 39.99 on XBone from the digital stores, for once cheaper to buy digital !!!!

Everything else is overpriced on the stores but if they undercut B&M I'd move to digital, but that will never happen as has been discussed in several thread over the years,

Vinz Mesrine

That was going to be my point.

I can walk to a local shop and buy a new release for €59.99, I will have a physical copy which I can then trade in if I want or else download it on the ps store for €69.99, where is the sense in that pricing?

Taltos

I picked Thief up yesterday in Smyth's for under 60 euro - very happy with that price and still prefer sometimes having the physical media.
Especially when in the Sony Store it is 69.99.... Not sure how they can justify that price when there is no shipping, no packaging just a download.

http://www.toys.ie/Thief-PS4-!134713-prd.aspx?qwSessionID=daded832-9e7d-4312-a8d9-811d82aaf711
Reduced from 69.99 to 59.99...

Captain Chaos

Taltos wrote: »

I picked Thief up yesterday in Smyth's for under 60 euro - very happy with that price and still prefer sometimes having the physical media.
Especially when in the Sony Store it is 69.99.... Not sure how they can justify that price when there is no shipping, no packaging just a download.

http://www.toys.ie/Thief-PS4-!134713-prd.aspx?qwSessionID=daded832-9e7d-4312-a8d9-811d82aaf711
Reduced from 69.99 to 59.99...

And it was/is €52 on Amazon delivered, and that's the PS4 version. The PS3/360 version is a little cheaper at about €47.

The only game I ever bought full price from the PSN store was BF4 because it was the same price as any of the shops at the time and the weather was sh1te and couldn't be arsed going out to the shops for it. Any other time I only get digital downloads if there it a PS+ discount on it and it's cheaper than everywhere else.

Taltos

7 euro is not a huge difference, I still prefer to be able to walk into a store, especially Smyth's when they have the games. But 7 euro over say 10 games does rack up - get your point

SamAK

Whenever I think about the price of games I like to do a bit of maths. For example -

GTAV - 65 euro (special edition)

Gameplay: 60 hours single player, another 100 online play (at least, these are low estimate)

65 divided by 160 - 0.40625

So, that's 40 cent an hour for 160 hours of top quality gameplay...seems alright to me.

Compare that to going to the cinema, up to a tenner (before ridiculously overpriced snacks) for max three hours of entertainment = roughly 3 quid an hour...

Not all games are online or have as much longevity as GTA, but you get my point. If you're one of those people that burn through a new release a week...well maybe you need to find other things to do with your time, like getting a job

super_furry wrote: »

People need to stop shopping in Gamestop. They're the most expensive place you can buy games, have terrible customer service and rip-off trade-in deals.

In all my time shopping at Gamestop i've experienced nothing but friendly, helpful and knowledgeable service from them.

VinLieger wrote: »

Also would people please stop buying from Gamestop FFS? Brick and mortar overheads are also causing these big prices

So let's all shun physical shops and give all our money to internet companies and further contribute to kicking the sh1t out of retail stores and in turn reducing employment opportunities....plus accelerating the decline of high streets around the country...

Captain Chaos

Taltos wrote: »

7 euro is not a huge difference, I still prefer to be able to walk into a store, especially Smyth's when they have the games. But 7 euro over say 10 games does rack up - get your point

€7 is almost 2 pints of the black stuff in some pubs.:) Can also be used to pick up a nice few bottles for a Friday or Saturday night gaming session. Better in your pocket than theirs.

Friend Computer

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

That was going to be my point.

I can walk to a local shop and buy a new release for €59.99, I will have a physical copy which I can then trade in if I want or else download it on the ps store for €69.99, where is the sense in that pricing?

The reasoning I've heard is that publishers have to keep retailers sweet; if they try and undercut then brick and mortar stores will just stop stocking their products. Since digital distribution hasn't taken off outside of the PC, many customers still rely on physical shops to buy games.

Until we see a wide-scale increase in broadband speeds and access we'll be stuck in the current situation.

krudler

SamAK wrote: »

Whenever I think about the price of games I like to do a bit of maths. For example -

GTAV - 65 euro (special edition)

Gameplay: 60 hours single player, another 100 online play (at least, these are low estimate)

65 divided by 160 - 0.40625

So, that's 40 cent an hour for 160 hours of top quality gameplay...seems alright to me.

Compare that to going to the cinema, up to a tenner (before ridiculously overpriced snacks) for max three hours of entertainment = roughly 3 quid an hour...

Not all games are online or have as much longevity as GTA, but you get my point. If you're one of those people that burn through a new release a week...well maybe you need to find other things to do with your time, like getting a job




In all my time shopping at Gamestop i've experienced nothing but friendly, helpful and knowledgeable service from them.




So let's all shun physical shops and give all our money to internet companies and further contribute to kicking the sh1t out of retail stores and in turn reducing employment opportunities....plus accelerating the decline of high streets around the country...

Bingo, games, well not all of them,can give a massive return for what you spend on them.

Like what do people spend on an average weekend night on the beer? 60-80 quid? last time I went to the cinema I paid and cost me about 30 odd quid for two people, for a 2hr movie.

I spent 20 quid on Dark Souls and have been playing it consistently since October, paid full price for MW2 and had something like 20 days playtime racked up on it by the end. 50 bucks a year gives you a ridiculous level of value for money on PSN+

Is gaming an expensive hobby? it can be, but the returns it gives for what you invest in it are huge

Pac1Man

krudler wrote: »

That's the thing, if you play catchup or wait even a few weeks you'll get stuff way cheaper, I know it's nice playing things at launch when there's a buzz and people are chatting about it like GTAV or something but there's plenty of games I missed out on and got months later really cheap, happy days.

Agreed and eBay is the place for this. I recently purchased Heavy Rain, The Darkness, Enslaved, Resistance 2 and Mirror's Edge all on PS3 for €35 delivered. They were second-hand but in near perfect condition.

CiDeRmAn

A games length does not equate to value for money I'm afraid.
Yes, there are titles out there that have masses of content and it's delivered well, but I wonder how many people ever see even to the end of the main campaign of the likes of GTAIV or Skyrim?
More likely people invest some 10/15 hours of their life into something, consider that a lot and move on, many games it might even be half of that figure.
Some games simply aren't built around that type of thing, preferring a fixed time or fixed lives, such as the likes of Outrun 2006, and asks to you do as well as you can in the time alotted, to see as much as the game has to offer.
A 4 hour game session of Dark Souls may only get you a relatively short distance past your previous save point, you might even be more likely to see yourself back at the same save point as before, but with more knowledge of what needed of you up ahead.
Owning Metal Gear Solid on the PS, I spent a fair few euro on it and the game only lasted a few hours really before the end, but in that time I had a great great time.
Same with Tearaway, Vita, that I'm playing now, such a short game but exquisite.
Prices then?
Tearaway is such an amazing title it's easily worth any number of Battlefield 3's and COD:Blops2 games, and that's the only metric you have to keep in mind, is the game giving value for money?
If a new console title is hitting €70 is it worth the dough?
If not why consider buying it?
Buy something else for less and pick the one you want up at a later time, maybe on Adverts when it's far cheaper, or just suck it up and buy the thing.
Games will always come down in value, unless it's a rare title with a limited run, like Metroid Trilogy on the Wii, in which case they can stay at or exceed rrp after launch and stay that way or get more expensive over time, everything else inevitably gets cheaper.

SamAK

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

A games length does not equate to value for money I'm afraid.

I'm generally the sort of person that buys well established games that I usually know without a doubt are worth having. Skyrim...Battlefield....Fallout....GTA (anything from Rockstar really)...the Forza series on Xbox.....I rarely, rarely regret buying a game, because generally, I only go for titles that have already established themselves or that are by developers that rarely, if ever, fail (Bethesda)...

But then again I don't consume console games a the rate others do.

But different people are....different. If people want to buy loads of games on a regular basis then it's not exactly realistic to expect every one of them to be considered 'good'. Subjective, as are a lot of things..

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Yes, there are titles out there that have masses of content and it's delivered well, but I wonder how many people ever see even to the end of the main campaign of the likes of GTAIV or Skyrim?

GTAIV campaign wasn't exactly long! Skyrim on the other hand..RPG's by their very nature are generally unfinishable. I put many, many hours into that game and loved every second, but i'm nowhere even close to finishing the thing. But the immersive and epic experience meant that I would never, ever consider complaining about having to spend 60 quid on it. Absolutely great game.

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

More likely people invest some 10/15 hours of their life into something, consider that a lot and move on, many games it might even be half of that figure.

Well that's up to the consumer, and not the developer... If I bought a nice pizza and only ate half of it, I don't really have any right to complain about it being too expensive for what I got out of it.....do I? It's up to me how much I get out of it.

CiDeRmAn

OK,
My point really is, if I'm spending full whack for a game the value of that game can typically have more to do with how good it is in terms of gameplay, visuals, story etc.
The Last of Us for example was relatively short but I never begrudge paying the money for it.
If I'd been unfortunate enough to buy Two Worlds I'd have been rightly ticked off as, despite it looking the part and going on for ages it's an awful game.
Yes, of course it's all subjective, I've been saying that for ages.
Yes, the developers can also objectively decide that a game is worth the asking when they release it, though the presence of Dlc on disk and unlocked with payment suggests that you might think you get a bargain with something but find the cool stuff behind a pay wall and end up forking out the extra €20 in other ways.

Pixelbastardo

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

That was going to be my point.

I can walk to a local shop and buy a new release for €59.99, I will have a physical copy which I can then trade in if I want or else download it on the ps store for €69.99, where is the sense in that pricing?

Sense ? hahaaaha

COYVB

krudler wrote: »

Bingo, games, well not all of them,can give a massive return for what you spend on them.

But why spend €60 when you can get it for €40 is the point. You're not getting anything extra paying the additional €20 to buy it in a bricks and mortar store...

Robert ninja

DeVore wrote: »

physical media.... oh wow, nostalgic.


Seriously though, PC's pay for themselves when you consider the shocking cost of console games compared to Steam.

Steam is nice, but there's a LOT of alternatives that cumulatively have more sales and reductions than steam. I use IsThereAnyDeal.com to warn me when any game I want goes on sale pretty much anywhere.

CiDeRmAn

Aside from literal handful of key titles a year I seldom pay big money for a game, looking at Dishonoured there, Game of the Year edition with all the dlc, and it's only 20 euro.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Aside from literal handful of key titles a year I seldom pay big money for a game, looking at Dishonoured there, Game of the Year edition with all the dlc, and it's only 20 euro.

linkuh?

SamAK

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

looking at Dishonoured there, Game of the Year edition with all the dlc, and it's only 20 euro.

That is one gorgeous looking game. Like a painting!

CiDeRmAn

I can't link from the phone but that's where I bought it last month, 19.99 in store.
Not bad.
The only full priced games I've picked up recently are Mario 3D World and DK Tropical Freeze.
The rest are all discounted here and there.

CiDeRmAn

I can't link from the phone but that's where I bought it last month, 19.99 in store.
Not bad.
The only full priced games I've picked up recently are Mario 3D World and DK Tropical Freeze.
The rest are all discounted here and there.