Is it possible HIN1 (Swine Flu) is back in Ireland?

ShaneSheep555

In the last month or so I have heard so many people being sick!
The flu symptoms are usually : Nausea, Fever,Headache,Vomiting etc..

I have recently been in hospital with a family member and she was told she had the 'H1N1' flu which as far as I know is also known as Swine Flu?

Also what is your opinion on this ' Swine Flu Jab ' ?

I personally did not get the jab because we really don't know what's in it?



And especially with ' the Risk of narcolepsy 13 times higher after the vaccine'

What is your opinion on this? Did you get the Flu jab and if so did you experience any side effects?

GenieOz

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

I personally did not get the jab because we really don't know what's in it?



And especially with ' the Risk of narcolepsy 13 times higher after the vaccine'

What is your opinion on this? Did you get the Flu jab and if so did you experience any side effects?

Except we do know what's in it? Got the jab, no side effects. No sickness. Happy out.

Mike747

GenieOz wrote: »

Except we do know what's in it? Got the jab, no side effects. No sickness. Happy out.

Had discussion with a friend whose anti-vaccine, basically thinks its a scam run by the pharmaceutical companies. I had to disagree with him. I asked how many people are alive now who would have died without vaccines? I also told him if a deadly disease broke out (something like the Spanish Flu) people would step over each other to get their hands on a vaccine.

Merkin

Here in the UK, it's standard to get the flu vaccine when pregnant, which I am. During the last couple of months I've been exposed to people who became really ill with flu and have thankfully managed to avoid it so personally I'd recommend getting the jab to anyone who thinks they are at risk.

MadsL

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

I personally did not get the jab because we really don't know what's in it?

Here's a thread just for you....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057150471

ShaneSheep555

http://www.thejournal.ie/european-medicines-watchdog-says-swine-flu-jab-not-suitable-for-children-184588-Jul2011/

ShaneSheep555

MadsL wrote: »

Here's a thread just for you....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057150471

There is no need to resort to stupid and worthless links, I stated ' What is your opinion on the swine flu jab'.. that is all I want to know.

Thanks

Swine flu is rampant in Egypt, with over 50 deaths since december 2013


So OP, avoid those who return from Egypt for a while...;)

MadsL

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

There is no need to resort to stupid and worthless links, I stated ' What is your opinion on the swine flu jab'.. that is all I want to know.

Thanks

'We' (science) know what is in the flu jab. End of.

So your statement is simply woo-doo.

Vaccines work best when the majority of people take them, and by not having a jab you risk other people's lives since flu can be fatal. My wife is one person who is very much at risk from respiratory conditions so people who run around spreading nonsense about flu jabs endanger her life. So forgive me if I haven't much time for the woo-doo.

Duggy747

MadsL wrote: »

So your statement is simply woo-doo.

Don't you mean woo-woo?

MadsL

Duggy747 wrote: »

Don't you mean woo-woo?

No, I mean woo-doo, even the OP isn't as foolish to believe in woo-woo.

Here's a picture of a woo-doo

bleg

Had my vaccination so don't care.

MadsL

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/european-medicines-watchdog-says-swine-flu-jab-not-suitable-for-children-184588-Jul2011/

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

There is no need to resort to stupid and worthless links,

Physician, heal thyself.

Menas

I was in sweden last week and there were three suspected cases there. At least I think it was swine flu, my swedish is not very good.

ShaneSheep555

Ok guys just to clear things up..

I'm not here to tell people NOT to get this flu jab, I am simply just stating that there have been cases where people have had bad side effects and even been diagnosed with ' Narcolepsy '. - http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/swine-flu-jab-linked-to-narcolepsy-29096716.html

I'm giving MY personal opinion on MY thoughts towards this Vaccine.

The point of me posting the Thread was to find out what people's opinions are towards the vaccine.

MadsL

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

Ok guys just to clear things up..

I'm not here to tell people NOT to get this flu jab, I am simply just stating that there have been cases where people have had bad side effects and even been diagnosed with ' Narcolepsy '. - http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/swine-flu-jab-linked-to-narcolepsy-29096716.html

I'm giving MY personal opinion on MY thoughts towards this Vaccine.

The point of me posting the Thread was to find out what people's opinions are towards the vaccine.

There are also studies in China that show that the incidence rate of narcolepsy developing are related to the seasonality of H1N1.

Cause and effect confusion?

Tell me, which is a worse outcome, narcolepsy or death?

Chucken

Nausea, Fever,Headache,Vomiting etc..

All the family got these symptoms over the weekend. It was rough but 24 hours later we were all ok.

ShaneSheep555

Chucken wrote: »

Nausea, Fever,Headache,Vomiting etc..

All the family got these symptoms over the weekend. It was rough but 24 hours later we were all ok.

Glad to hear you were all okay!

MadsL

http://med.stanford.edu/ism/2013/december/narcolepsy.html

These findings also indicate that the H1N1 studies may actually advance attempts to find a cure for narcolepsy.

ShaneSheep555

MadsL wrote: »

There are also studies in China that show that the incidence rate of narcolepsy developing are related to the seasonality of H1N1.

Cause and effect confusion?

Tell me, which is a worse outcome, narcolepsy or death?

Tell me, how could we avoid both of these? You seem to be quiet the genius..

MadsL

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

Tell me, how could we avoid both of these? You seem to be quiet the genius..

Are you familiar at all with the concept of relative risk?

Your risk of dying from H1N1 is significantly higher than your risk of contracting narcolepsy from a flu jab.

So a tiny, tiny unproven risk of narcolepsy or a greater proven risk of death, what's it to be?

sawdoubters

yes

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-flu-deaths-california-20140214,0,2777878.story

ShaneSheep555

MadsL wrote: »

Are you familiar at all with the concept of relative risk?

Your risk of dying from H1N1 is significantly higher than your risk of contracting narcolepsy from a flu jab.

So a tiny, tiny unproven risk of narcolepsy or a greater proven risk of death, what's it to be?

Yes I understand that.

My point is - Why are the people that get the flu jab subjected to the possibility that they MAY develop narcolepsy?

MadsL

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

Yes I do know that.

My point is - Why are the people that get the flu jab subjected to the possibility that they MAY develop narcolepsy?

So we should remove all medicines that have potential sideffects proven or unproven?

And the tiny chance that you may get narcolepsy outweighs the hundreds of lives saved each year.

ShaneSheep555

MadsL wrote: »

So we should remove all medicines that have potential sideffects proven or unproven?

And the tiny chance that you may get narcolepsy outweighs the hundreds of lives saved each year.

No we should have been more in-depth with the research of the vaccine.

wil

Chucken wrote: »

Nausea, Fever,Headache,Vomiting etc..

All the family got these symptoms over the weekend. It was rough but 24 hours later we were all ok.

Can anyone recall where they may have caught it?
A lot of it about.
Everything points to a an outbreak of bad burgers or a dodgy pint.

deseil

I think the whole Swine flu thing was over exaggerated at the time, the usual media scare mongering... fair enough its dangerous for old or vunerable people to get but no worse than the normal flu. I got it at the peak of the outbreaks in 2009(swab test positive) i was grand after 2 days it was a horrible dose but not as bad as I had been led to believe, Ive had worse hangovers to be honest.
Once you've had it and fought it off does it make you immune from reinfection?

ShaneSheep555

deseil wrote: »

I think the whole Swine flu thing was over exaggerated at the time, the usual media scare mongering... fair enough its dangerous for old or vunerable people to get but no worse than the normal flu. I got it at the peak of the outbreaks in 2009(swab test positive) i was grand after 2 days it was a horrible dose but not as bad as I had been led to believe, Ive had worse hangovers to be honest.
Once you've had it and fought it off does it make you immune from reinfection?

You were quiet lucky! I know a family member that was recently diagnosed with H1N1 and she was extremely sick. I suppose it effects people in different ways!

MadsL

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

Yes I understand that.

My point is - Why are the people that get the flu jab subjected to the possibility that they MAY develop narcolepsy?

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

No we should have been more in-depth with the research of the vaccine.

In-depth? You do know how they develop each season's vaccine. Have you read ANYTHING about flu vaccines based on solid science.

Flu viruses are constantly changing or mutating so a new vaccine must be developed each year.

deseil wrote: »

I think the whole Swine flu thing was over exaggerated at the time, the usual media scare mongering... fair enough its dangerous for old or vunerable people to get but no worse than the normal flu. I got it at the peak of the outbreaks in 2009(swab test positive) i was grand after 2 days it was a horrible dose but not as bad as I had been led to believe, Ive had worse hangovers to be honest.

Oh, so because it didn't seem that bad to you didn't mean that a person that you infected and the person they infected didn't die.

Herd immunity relies on everyone as far as possible getting the jab.

Once you've had it and fought it off does it make you immune from reinfection?

Clearly makes you immune from being considerate of others less healthy than you.

MadsL

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

You were quiet lucky! I know a family member that was recently diagnosed with H1N1 and she was extremely sick. I suppose it effects people in different ways!

If only there were a simple vaccine that could have prevented that...

oh wait.

ShaneSheep555

MadsL wrote: »

If only there were a simple vaccine that could have prevented that...

oh wait.

What is your problem?

I have tried to be nice throughout your rude & illiterate comments.


Just to inform you.. The person did not receive the jab? What do you make of that?



You are quiet pathetic!

Chucken

wil wrote: »

Can anyone recall where they may have caught it?
A lot of it about.
Everything points to a an outbreak of bad burgers or a dodgy pint.

Well the first one to get sick was 15 months old so we can rule out dodgy pints...I think.
I don't think he sneaked out for a burger either so we'll rule that out.

Genuinely, it seems half the town has it. We had been without water during the storms and some people blamed the tanker water we were offered. But we didn't get any of that so... Its just one of those nasty bugs...whatever of them is!!

MadsL

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

What is your problem?

People who going around spreading fear about rational science that prevents deaths is one of my problems. Your OP was exactly that, ill-informed fearmongering.

I have tried to be nice throughout your rude & illiterate comments.

Rude? Where?

Calling me illiterate is just funny.

Just to inform you.. The person did not receive the jab? What do you make of that?

That a jab would have prevented them getting very ill and potentially dying and spreading the virus. Have they learn now?

You are quiet pathetic!

...and yet I am the rude and illiterate one.

Gatling

Had it last year ,spend 13 days in an isolation room in tallaght hospital ,it nearly killed me literally ,
12 months later my respiratory system hasn't full recovered,

A lot of people are self diagnosing swine flu despite not having consulted any medical professionals ,
Most people can't tell the difference between a common cold and standard influenza

MadsL

Chucken wrote: »

Well the first one to get sick was 15 months old so we can rule out dodgy pints...I think.
I don't think he sneaked out for a burger either so we'll rule that out.

Genuinely, it seems half the town has it. We had been without water during the storms and some people blamed the tanker water we were offered. But we didn't get any of that so... Its just one of those nasty bugs...whatever of them is!!

Nonovirus vaccine on the way.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/267086.php

MadsL

Gatling wrote: »

Had it last year ,spend 13 days in an isolation room in tallaght hospital ,it nearly killed me literally ,
12 months later my respiratory system hasn't full recovered,

Sorry to hear that.

Flu jab this year?

deseil

MadsL wrote: »

In-depth? You do know how they develop each season's vaccine. Have you read ANYTHING about flu vaccines based on solid science.

Flu viruses are constantly changing or mutating so a new vaccine must be developed each year.



Oh, so because it didn't seem that bad to you didn't mean that a person that you infected and the person they infected didn't die.

Herd immunity relies on everyone as far as possible getting the jab.



Clearly makes you immune from being considerate of others less healthy than you.

Wow!! The vaccination wasnt even available when I got it I was one of the first confirmed cases in my town and I definetely didnt go out and purposely infect anyone I was just saying that as bad as it was Ive had worse illnesses. Im all for the vaccination by the way. No need for the insults!!

Gatling

MadsL wrote: »

Sorry to hear that.

Flu jab this year?

Absolutely

Unfortunately its a risk i can't afford to gamble with ,

Somebody sneezing near me sends me into panic

ShaneSheep555

deseil wrote: »

Wow!! The vaccination wasnt even available when I got it I was one of the first confirmed cases in my town and I definetely didnt go out and purposely infect anyone I was just saying that as bad as it was Ive had worse illnesses. Im all for the vaccination by the way. No need for the insults!!

He is quiet the genius Deseil!
Oh and not rude at all

MadsL

deseil wrote: »

Wow!! The vaccination wasnt even available when I got it I was one of the first confirmed cases in my town and I definetely didnt go out and purposely infect anyone I was just saying that as bad as it was Ive had worse illnesses. Im all for the vaccination by the way. No need for the insults!!

Your post gives the impression that flu is overated and that there is no need to vaccinate. Apologies if that was not your intent.

I'm delighted that you are now supporting vaccination, please tell everyone to get vaccinated. I trust you had your jab this year?

MadsL

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

He is quiet the genius Deseil!
Oh and not rude at all

I'm not a genius. Just smart enough to get a flu jab and not ignorant enough to come out with absurd statements about not knowing what is in the flu jab.

Now, what other medicines would you like taken off the market?

tightropetom

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

Ok guys just to clear things up..

I'm not here to tell people NOT to get this flu jab, I am simply just stating that there have been cases where people have had bad side effects and even been diagnosed with ' Narcolepsy '. - http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/swine-flu-jab-linked-to-narcolepsy-29096716.html

I'm giving MY personal opinion on MY thoughts towards this Vaccine.

The point of me posting the Thread was to find out what people's opinions are towards the vaccine.

Shane, just to clarify - it was the Pandemrix vaccine which was linked to narcolepsy. There are others on the market which do not share that link.

El Guapo!

MadsL wrote: »

I'm not a genius. Just smart enough to get a flu jab and not ignorant enough to come out with absurd statements about not knowing what is in the flu jab.

Now, what other medicines would you like taken off the market?

Can you please stop being so confrontational and trying to start an argument in this thread?

ShaneSheep555

MadsL wrote: »

I'm not a genius. Just smart enough to get a flu jab and not ignorant enough to come out with absurd statements about not knowing what is in the flu jab.

Now, what other medicines would you like taken off the market?

Hold on one second, Did I say I WANTED this vaccine to be taken off the market?

For the second time now just to inform you, I never once said that people should NOT get this vaccine? The whole point of this thread is to get other people's opinions on this subject as there are MANY other people that question the vaccine.

It is quiet sad that I have to explain the point of this thread for you twice.

Jarrod

Gatling wrote: »

Had it last year ,spend 13 days in an isolation room in tallaght hospital ,it nearly killed me literally ,
12 months later my respiratory system hasn't full recovered,

A lot of people are self diagnosing swine flu despite not having consulted any medical professionals ,
Most people can't tell the difference between a common cold and standard influenza

Don't get me started on people saying they have the 'flu' when they have a bloody cough. I remember a girl I know had the 'flu' of a Thursday was 'dying and couldn't get out of bed'. I go to a gaff party the next night and ask a lad we know how she was, 'ask her yourself' says he, 'she's in the kitchen.' You don't go from having the flu to drinking at a house party in the space of 24 hours. An insane number of people call anything more than a tickle in their throat, the 'flu'. It's a pain in the boll0cks.

MadsL

ShaneSheep555 wrote: »

Hold on one second, Did I say I WANTED this vaccine to be taken off the market?

For the second time now just to inform you, I never once said that people should NOT get this vaccine? The whole point of this thread is to get other people's opinions on this subject as there are MANY other people that question the vaccine.

It is quiet sad that I have to explain the point of this thread for you twice.

So your purpose in starting the thread is to provide a platform for people who 'question' the vaccine to have their say, despite having no medical training.

Chucken

MadsL wrote: »

So your purpose in starting the thread is to provide a platform for people who 'question' the vaccine to have their say, despite having no medical training.

Well now, in all fairness we're all entitled to our opinion.
We discuss politics here without ever setting foot inside the dail.
We discuss the economy while probably not being able to manage the pay packet.

Do you have medical training?

ShaneSheep555

MadsL wrote: »

So your purpose in starting the thread is to provide a platform for people who 'question' the vaccine to have their say, despite having no medical training.

Now for the THIRD TIME because you are clearly thick. The point of this thread is to get other people's opinions on this subject as there are MANY other people that question the vaccine.

I Will not be explaining this again.

Have a nice night

Spring Onion

I felt the vaccine was rushed without adequate testing in order to line the pockets of big pharma. I did get swine flu (doctor confirmed) but it was a mild dose (I got the real flu years ago and it nearly killed me). I await further side effects from the untested vaccine.

MadsL

Chucken wrote: »

Well now, in all fairness we're all entitled to our opinion.
We discuss politics here without ever setting foot inside the dail.
We discuss the economy while probably not being able to manage the pay packet.

Do you have medical training?

Nope. That's why we train people as doctors and scientist so that they can objectively figure this stuff out with the aid of facts rather than woo-doo.

Now believe what you like, have whatever opinions you like. But when you lack of following objectively good advice impacts on those I care about potentially fatally as they are in a high risk group, well, I get to voice MY opinion loudly.

ShaneSheep555

Spring Onion wrote: »

I felt the vaccine was rushed without adequate testing in order to line the pockets of big pharma. I did get swine flu (doctor confirmed) but it was a mild dose (I got the real flu years ago and it nearly killed me). I await further side effects from the untested vaccine.

Thank you Spring! This is the PURPOSE of this thread - People's OPINIONS