Leading Irish Jumps trainer facing drugs charges

flashjohn · 17-02-2014 12:18pm #1

Breaking news on racing post news live

kfallon · 17-02-2014 12:25pm

Anyone know who it is?

flashjohn · 17-02-2014 12:37pm

Presumably near carrick. don't want to name

Colonel Sanders · 17-02-2014 1:50pm

A LEADING Irish jumps trainer is due to appear before Carrick on Suir district court on Thursday charged with possession of prohibited animal remedies.

Read the full story at: http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/top-irish-trainer-facing-drugs-charges/1607870/

Huntley · 17-02-2014 1:55pm

The closest thing to Pat Hughes being a leading Irish trainer is Willie Mullins's yard up the road.

LutherBlissett · 17-02-2014 2:21pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/jockey-and-trainer-seek-halt-to-turf-club-inquiry-1.1509958

This is also on this week, potentially far reaching consequences seemingly.

MinisterJD · 17-02-2014 5:23pm

:)The previously mentioned trainer trains in Carlow.

It's a much bigger fish than that!!and he has previous

Colonel Sanders · 17-02-2014 5:29pm

I'd strongly suggest people don't name names without being able to quote verifiable sources in the public domain tbh....

mohican22 · 17-02-2014 5:35pm

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I'd strongly suggest people don't name names without being able to quote verifiable sources in the public domain tbh....

Agree with this as much as id like to know if no verifiable source,stop speculating

carpothepunk · 17-02-2014 5:45pm

I'd be very careful where you were throwing allegations like that around about Fenton, sir.

Huntley · 17-02-2014 5:49pm

Pat Hughes has an ongoing case against him related to unauthorised animal remedies. I would presume this is it, and if it isn't, the above has still been public knowledge for a number of months.

Getoffmytrain · 17-02-2014 5:52pm

Leading Irish trainer Philip Fenton in court on steroid charges

• Hearing on Nitrotain and stanozolol is scheduled for Thursday
• Cheltenham Gold Cup fourth favourite Last Instalment in yard

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/feb/17/philip-fenton-court-drugs-charges

handsfree · 17-02-2014 5:52pm

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/feb/17/philip-fenton-court-drugs-charges

carpothepunk · 17-02-2014 5:55pm

Well then. Hands held up. Word was it was Hughes as Huntley said above has an ongoing case against him.

MinisterJD · 17-02-2014 5:57pm

Apologies may be accepted when ye're ready,just trying to educate the forum but was met with multiple hostile responses!!

hucklebuck · 17-02-2014 6:01pm

I hope the ****er hasnt given anything to Last Instalment that could get him banned.

Huntley · 17-02-2014 6:05pm

It is an ongoing case for the last two years it seems. No different from the half a dozen others in the pipeline then.

handsfree · 17-02-2014 6:08pm

Huntley wrote: »

It is an ongoing case for the last two years it seems. No different from the half a dozen others in the pipeline then.

it makes you wonder why the story is only being released now.

NaiveMelodies · 17-02-2014 6:10pm

Ah for fcuk sake. Presumed for the life me it wasn't a 'leading' trainer.

Colonel Sanders · 17-02-2014 6:16pm

MinisterJD wrote: »

Apologies may be accepted when ye're ready

For what?

I've gotten a PM on here and a pile of text msgs suggesting the same name but I didn't post as they were unsubstanciated

ste2010 · 17-02-2014 6:56pm

Personally - I think they should drug all horses up to the eye balls. Can you
Imagine sprinter sacre on steroids..he would no longer be an airplane he'd be a space rocket. Imperial shabra would win another G1 and we' have record times being broken every week ;-)

Can you imagine the craic in the stables. The shark Hanlon going around with needles the size of a small torpedo..."wait til ye see this sh*t..I got this in Thailand, they use it for elephants who want to slam dunk basketballs on 2 legs"!

RichieLawlor · 17-02-2014 7:52pm

ste2010 wrote: »

Personally - I think they should drug all horses up to the eye balls. Can you
Imagine sprinter sacre on steroids..he would no longer be an airplane he'd be a space rocket. Imperial shabra would win another G1 and we' have record times being broken every week ;-)

Can you imagine the craic in the stables. The shark Hanlon going around with needles the size of a small torpedo..."wait til ye see this sh*t..I got this in Thailand, they use it for elephants who want to slam dunk basketballs on 2 legs"!

How do you know Sprinter Sacre isn't on them

finbarrk · 17-02-2014 8:32pm

Can he get a ban if none of his horses failed a test?

Itsdacraic · 17-02-2014 9:09pm

finbarrk wrote: »

Can he get a ban if none of his horses failed a test?

There's probably a rule around bringing the sport into disrepute

hucklebuck · 17-02-2014 9:20pm

finbarrk wrote: »

Can he get a ban if none of his horses failed a test?

Chairman of The Turf Club said “We are aware there is a case coming up and we will be there to see what happens. Once the case has concluded, we will take any appropriate action.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/philip-fenton-faces-charges-of-possession-of-banned-substances-1.1694980

If he is found guilty he would have a criminal conviction under the animal remedies act so I would imagine there is something in their rules around this

Stanozolol was the drug Ben Johnson was caught on.

the groutch · 17-02-2014 9:21pm

can we please put away the pitchforks til after Thursday?
last time I checked people are innocent until proven guilty.

flutered · 17-02-2014 9:27pm

the groutch wrote: »

can we please put away the pitchforks til after Thursday?
last time I checked people are innocent until proven guilty.

i guess that you have never been charged with a crime in the u.s. guilty until proven innocent is the unwritten law.

hucklebuck · 17-02-2014 9:30pm

the groutch wrote: »

can we please put away the pitchforks til after Thursday?
last time I checked people are innocent until proven guilty.

I don't think anyone said he is guilty, if he isn't someone in his yard is otherwise no charges would have made it to court.

As far as I know possession of the steroids is illegal and they found some in his yard.

mulbot · 17-02-2014 9:32pm

RichieLawlor wrote: »

How do you know Sprinter Sacre isn't on them

hahahaha,with nenderson's history it be good bet!:)

Harry Angstrom · 17-02-2014 10:21pm

Strange that the Dept of Agriculture is involved in this but there isn't a peep out of the Turf Club. I would've thought it was the TC that carried out such tests. Then again, maybe they referred it to the Dept of Agriculture....

mdwexford · 17-02-2014 10:40pm

I'm fairly sure Arkle was on the gear.

sawdoubters · 17-02-2014 10:42pm

I am shocked

Harry Angstrom · 17-02-2014 10:45pm

mdwexford wrote: »

I'm fairly sure Arkle was on the gear.

Didn't they give him a few bottles of Guinness every day? He'd probably fail a drugs test these days

jimjamcos · 17-02-2014 11:14pm

Well that's the pup!

rabwaygal · 18-02-2014 10:50am

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Strange that the Dept of Agriculture is involved in this but there isn't a peep out of the Turf Club. I would've thought it was the TC that carried out such tests. Then again, maybe they referred it to the Dept of Agriculture....

From listening to NewsTalk and Ivan Yates this morning, he said the Dept of Agriculture would be solely there for the welfare of the animals. It was the responsibility of the Turf Club do the drug tests. The substances mentioned by Yates were meant to be administered only by vets. If there is no record of a vet administring, then this would going against DoA guidelines.

kfallon · 18-02-2014 12:17pm

Gigginstown have spoken.....pretty damning on Dept of Agriculture too

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/465/9172102/gigginstown-backing-for-fenton

shamdrog63 · 18-02-2014 12:36pm

Stanozolol was the drug Ben Johnson was caught on.[/QUOTE]

Correction...He wasn,t caught til he came off it.The Fcuker was uncatchable when he was on it.:D

carpothepunk · 18-02-2014 12:56pm

Interesting comments from Eddie. Probably wouldn't be too worried about any ante post bets on LI. It was infact the issue from 30 or so months ago, not a fresh incident, as I had thought.

kfallon · 18-02-2014 12:59pm

"He has never had a positive test for anything"

Really Eddie? What about when Dunguib was disqualified from the Punchestown Champion Bumper for testing positive for a banned substance!

paddy no 11 · 18-02-2014 1:24pm

Dont think much of that gigginstown release.

NaiveMelodies · 18-02-2014 1:26pm

Gigginstown obviously looking to protect their Gold Cup hopes reputation.

hucklebuck · 18-02-2014 1:48pm

Odds comments from Eddie, "If a horse gets colic, you sometimes have to treat it yourself or it could be dead by the time the vet gets there", and there I am thinking they found steroids in his yard.

BangBeater · 18-02-2014 2:08pm

A question for anyone in the know about this. So in the news story there are a few drugs listed that were discovered at his yard in 2012.

"Fenton has been charged with the possession of a number of prohibited substances, including Nitrotain, which contains the anabolic steroid ethylestranol, and Ilium Stanabolic, which contains stanozolol.

Fenton is also charged with possession of a number of antibiotics without veterinary prescriptions, namely Engemycin, Neomycin Penicillin, Betamoz LA and Marbocyl."

In terms of these substances being illegal, why so?

More importantly for my information what is it that they do to a horse? Increase muscle growth and make them better horses for racing? Do all the above prohibited substances do this or what are they for?

nobody told me · 18-02-2014 2:30pm

Picture of dunguib schooling...

convert · 18-02-2014 4:51pm

MinisterJD wrote: »

Apologies may be accepted when ye're ready,just trying to educate the forum but was met with multiple hostile responses!!

MinisterJD, all information posted here has to be substantiated, especially when it comes to legal cases, as otherwise posts could be deemed to be libellous.

And on another somewhat related matter: Just a warning to all users to be very careful what's posted about the incident due to the pending case.

Huntley · 20-02-2014 12:06am

http://www.irishracing.com/news?prid=74829&headline=Hughes-facing-court-charges

I wasn't aware this case had been adjourned last week. I had never heard of the issues with Philip Fenton until they became public but I would be interested to see the list of other potential cases. I'd imagine had there been more extensive research with John Hughes that there would have been some interesting findings with regards distribution of products.

show me the money.1 · 17-07-2018 4:28pm

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/fenton-focusing-on-quality-not-quantity-as-he-prepares-to-return-from-drugs-ban/339278

Philip Fenton back training first runner since his ban on Thursday in Killarney.

Thud · 18-07-2018 3:25pm

Secret Cargo

lemush · 18-07-2018 8:28pm

Should have been warned off for life but this sport has a longstanding habit of welcoming those who damage it back with open arms.

Pogue eile · 18-07-2018 10:02pm

lemush wrote: »

Should have been warned off for life but this sport has a longstanding habit of welcoming those who damage it back with open arms.

What sport has a life time ban for a first doping offence?

lemush · 18-07-2018 10:23pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

What sport has a life time ban for a first doping offence?

Racing is unique due to the huge gambling element of the sport. A three year ban for systematic doping of horses in his stable was lenient to say the least. Certain offences should result in a lifetime ban and knowingly doping your horses which in turn misleads the public who fund the sport is one of them imo, not to mention the animal welfare ramifications.

Leading Irish Jumps trainer facing drugs charges

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