Examples of bullsh!ttery/gobsh!ttery in Irish life and culture

zetalambda

That Smithfield square is the largest open air plaza in Europe. I'm calling BS on this one. Certainly doesn't make it into this list: :pac:

http://www.europeish.com/25-amazingly-stunning-european-squares/

The King of Moo

No-one in Ireland has ever given anyone 100,000 welcomes.

It'd actually be hard to do it. It's loads.

Cantremember

Arthur's Day.

ClovenHoof

I support a Football club because they have strong Irish connections.

as long as it is not a football club actually on the island of Ireland.

Tin Foil Hat

School uniforms. Bullsh1t!

Duckworth_Luas

De Dubz bud .. de Dubz speakz de ... Jacinta ... Jacinta .. He'your JACINTA ... de Dubz speakz de bestest Eng ... JACINTA YA CU*T ..... de bestest English bud! Any spayer change pal?

hjkl

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

School uniforms. Bullsh1t!

Actually they make perfect sense. Not everyone can afford to spend into the hundreds on new clothes and the latest trends so that their kids can fit in with their friends.

Tin Foil Hat

frimpong wrote: »

Actually they make perfect sense. Not everyone can afford to spend into the hundreds on new clothes and the latest trends so that their kids can fit in with their friends.

Cliché of the Day toilet paper?

delw

frimpong wrote: »

Actually they make perfect sense. Not everyone can afford to spend into the hundreds on new clothes and the latest trends so that their kids can fit in with their friends.

But expected to pay alot of money to a shop who have the monopoly on said school uniforms

orangesoda

Celtic cross tattoos

uch

Guinness over 4.20 a pint,, scullduggery at its best

padd b1975

Eamon Dunphy's articles on 'Official Ireland' are well worth looking up for some classic examples of this topic.

KKkitty

Politicians and their wages.

hjkl

delw wrote: »

But expected to pay alot of money to a shop who have the monopoly on said school uniforms

The monopoly certain shops have on school uniforms is a different discussion altogether.

At the end of day, it is significantly cheaper for parents to buy one school uniform for their child than to spend hundreds on countless different, expensive outfits.
Having school uniforms also relieves both parents and kids of the stress of deciding what to wear each day and of 'keeping up with the joneses'

paddylonglegs

So this is basically just a moan thread? Yawn

xabi

Threads like this on boards.

Tin Foil Hat

KKkitty wrote: »

Politicians and their wages.

They're actually not that bad anymore (still room for improvement, mind you).
It's the unfireable, nameless, faceless permanent government, with their massive pay and pensions that's the far bigger scandal.

mblay

Fcking ****e monuments / ornaments things they put on motorways / bypasses . Saw one of three people dancing on a 40ft stage .cost €80.000, load of ****e

keith16

frimpong wrote: »

Actually they make perfect sense. Not everyone can afford to spend into the hundreds on new clothes and the latest trends so that their kids can fit in with their friends.

So they have to spend hundreds on a little crest instead?

Tin Foil Hat

frimpong wrote: »

The monopoly certain shops have on school uniforms is a different discussion altogether.

At the end of day, it is significantly cheaper for parents to buy one school uniform for their child than to spend hundreds on countless different, expensive outfits.
Having school uniforms also relieves both parents and kids of the stress of deciding what to wear each day and of 'keeping up with the joneses'

It a choice to 'keep up with the jonses'. Parents don't have to play than silly game. It's obscene for other parents to argue that I have to dress my kids in an exact way to save them the trouble of parenting theirs.

sabat

O'Connell St is the widest street in Europe apparently
The Phoenix Park is the largest park, urban park, urban walled park in the world- yeah just keep making up things for it to be the biggest of and you'll find a true one eventually.
That there's a great (probably the greatest in the world) body of literature in the Irish language. If someone could show me a single work that would rank in the top 20,000 I'll withdraw this.

hjkl

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

It a choice to 'keep up with the jonses'. Parents don't have to play than silly game. It's obscene for other parents to argue that I have to dress my kids in an exact way to save them the trouble of parenting theirs.

It's not exactly a great choice when the smallie comes come crying because the other kids are laughing and sniggering at them over their clothes

delw

frimpong wrote: »

The monopoly certain shops have on school uniforms is a different discussion altogether.

At the end of day, it is significantly cheaper for parents to buy one school uniform for their child than to spend hundreds on countless different, expensive outfits.
Having school uniforms also relieves both parents and kids of the stress of deciding what to wear each day and of 'keeping up with the joneses'

Sorry but its not really a different discussion,it's part of Irish culture to accept this,maybe parents need to learn to say NO a bit more if they can't afford to spend hundreds to keep up with the "joneses" as you say

biko

Looking at the Dail I am reminded of Animal Farm.
A lot of dressed up pigs that haven't a clue but eager to imitate the previous masters.

donegal__road

the 'fighting Irish'

Frank Lee Midere

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

It a choice to 'keep up with the jonses'. Parents don't have to play than silly game. It's obscene for other parents to argue that I have to dress my kids in an exact way to save them the trouble of parenting theirs.

It's not the other parents. It's the school. And who knows if you would play that game or not. I don't understand people complaining about school uniforms unless they are prepared to pay lots more, not everybody can afford to.

Tin Foil Hat

frimpong wrote: »

It's not exactly a great choice when the smallie comes come crying because the other kids are laughing and sniggering at them over their clothes

Funny the way most other countries in the western world manage just fine.
This is a myth peddled by people who have never known anything but school uniform and are arguing for the status quo.

The money saving thing is a myth anyway.
a) Kids need clothes for out of school anyway, and
b) Many schools now have two overpriced uniforms. There's the stiff shirt, tie, pants, shiny leather shoe and woolly jumper to be worn in every weather uniform (Is there a more impractical outfit for a small child?). And there's the school tracksuit. Both crested, of course. There's also the schools that specify the exact shoes (expensive leather boat shoes are popular in a few girls schools), and the schools that specify the crested jacket that is to be worn coming to and from school.

Banjoxed

The constant "wooooOOOoo"s on the Late Late. Pure mucksavagery almost as much as a PITA than Tubs patronising the crap out of his guests.

Frank Lee Midere

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Funny the way most other countries in the western world manage just fine.
This is a myth peddled by people who have never known anything but school uniform and are arguing for the status quo.

The money saving thing is a myth anyway.
a) Kids need clothes for out of school anyway, and
b) Many schools now have two overpriced uniforms. There's the stiff shirt, tie, pants, shiny leather shoe and woolly jumper to be worn in every weather uniform (Is there a more impractical outfit for a small child?). And there's the school tracksuit. Both crested, of course. There's also the schools that specify the exact shoes (expensive leather boat shoes are popular in a few girls schools), and the schools that specify the crested jacket that is to be worn coming to and from school.

Do they do after school activities in civs? If so why? I see plenty of kids in uniform after school.

Uniforms are progressive, of course a 15 year old girl will be bullied if she wears the same outfit twice in one week, unless it's a uniform. And the poorer she is the more likely it is.

Uniforms are common worldwide.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_uniforms_by_country

Bipolar Joe

Children will pick on each other for anything. You're full of shite if you say you wore a uniform to school and nobody got picked on as a result.

Frank Lee Midere

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Children will pick on each other for anything. You're full of shite if you say you wore a uniform to school and nobody got picked on as a result.

Obviously I would be full of ****e if I had said that. But I didn't. You did.

stmol32

This is just typical Irish begrudgery.

This comes up quite a lot, and even more so on boards.
I don't think the average Irish person begrudges another Irish person their success at all.

Whenever a large group of people slag a person who's successful in their field (usually celebrities) there's always someone who says "this is typical Irish begrudgery"

They never seem to realise it might be just that we think the person in question is a twat.

zetalambda

donegal__road wrote: »

the 'fighting Irish'

Best post in this thread without a doubt.

Tin Foil Hat

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Do they do after school activities in civs? If so why? I see plenty of kids in uniform after school.

Of course you do. They don't walk home naked.
Do you lock your kids away outside of school hours? Are they not allowed out on evenings and weekends - in their own clothes?

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Uniforms are progressive,

My hole! On the contrary, they are a relic of our colonial past.

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

of course a 15 year old girl will be bullied if she wears the same outfit twice in one week, unless it's a uniform. And the poorer she is the more likely it is.

Bullsh1t. Even if was true we would be far better off tackling this head-on, rather than papering over it by forcing an exact outfit on teenagers.

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Uniforms are common worldwide.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_uniforms_by_country

A huge amount of countries where uniforms are common are former colonies of the British Empire. Like us, many of the thoughtlessly carried on as before.
Other countries use far simpler uniforms. In Brazil, for example, it's often t-shirt and jeans, not the god-awful 70's geography teacher outfit we force on our kids. But, quite frankly, I couldn't give a sh1t what other countries do. I'm arguing for how I would like it to be in my country.

cmore123

To object to uniforms just because the Brits introduced them is crass. They also introduced bicycles, cars, buses, trams and trains to us. Do we walk everywhere?

Tin Foil Hat

cmore123 wrote: »

To object to uniforms just because the Brits introduced them is crass. They also introduced bicycles, cars, buses, trams and trains to us. Do we walk everywhere?

I don't object to them because they were introduced by the Brits. I'm explaining the historical reasons why we have them. We did not introduce them for any practical reasons. We kept them out of habit.
I object to uniforms because they are stupid, expensive, draconian and they impinge on the freedoms of children and families.

aidoh

People arguing about p0xy school uniforms for 3 pages seems like a good example of bullsh!ttery/gobsh!tery in Irish life and culture to me.
Let people post funny examples. JUST EAT THE DAMN ORANGE!

rustedtrumpet

That travellers are settled people

hfallada

The need to have everything translated into Irish. Most state agencies don't give a **** about it. Revenue to cut costs by only getting stuff translated a few times a year. Meaning the info is dated when it's finally translated

Tin Foil Hat

stmol32 wrote: »

This is just typical Irish begrudgery.

The begrudgery of the Irish is a myth perpetuated by rich arseholes who prefer to delude themselves into thinking that other Irish people dislike them because of their success rather than admit that they are disliked because they are arseholes. Bono and Bill Cullen, I'm looking at you. Bill has been rather quiet on the subject lately, hasn't he?:D

It's a also often used to defend mediocrity. Last Autumn Matt Cooper on The Last Word was doing an item on the finale of season 4 of Love/Hate. He dismissed many critical texts to the show as begrudgery. Season 4 of Love/Hate was truly awful, especially the final episode. Matt Cooper and Stuart Carolyn would know each other quite well.

zetalambda

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

The begrudgery of the Irish is a myth perpetuated by rich arseholes who prefer to delude themselves into thinking that other Irish people dislike them because of their success rather than admit that they are disliked because they are arseholes. Bono and Bill Cullen, I'm looking at you. Bill has been rather quiet on the subject lately, hasn't he?:D

It's a also often used to defend mediocrity. Last Autumn Matt Cooper on The Last Word was doing an item on the finale of season 4 of Love/Hate. He dismissed many critical texts to the show as begrudgery. Season 4 of Love/Hate was truly awful, especially the final episode. Matt Cooper and Stuart Carolyn would know each other quite well.

I'm speechless. :eek: It's one of the things I hate so much about this country. Bono and Bill Cullen are both people I admire and who call it exactly as it is.

stmol32

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Bono and Bill Cullen, I'm looking at you. Bill has been rather quiet on the subject lately, hasn't he?:D

I deliberately didn't mention names but to be honest these two were fairly high in the top twenty I had in the back of me mind.

Since I've started so.... Dave McSavage (I know you're a member of boards) we don't slag you because of your success, we just don't think your very funny.

If you disagree then ask yourself why Dara O'Briain is more successful as a comedian, and Irish too, and no-one gives him ****.

wil

zetalambda wrote: »

That Smithfield square is the largest open air plaza in Europe. I'm calling BS on this one. Certainly doesn't make it into this list: :pac:

http://www.europeish.com/25-amazingly-stunning-european-squares/

.
That the Dundrum Shopping Centre is one of the biggest in the World, Europe, "British Isles",
Wouldn't even make it in to the top 30 in the UK

Phoenix Park is pretty big though and better shopping:)

Tin Foil Hat

zetalambda wrote: »

I'm speechless. :eek: It's one of the things I hate so much about this country. Bono and Bill Cullen are both people I admire and who call it exactly as it is.

They're both hard working, talented, successful people. For that i also admire them both. But, christ, they both come across like pains in the hole.

stmol32

zetalambda wrote: »

I'm speechless. :eek: It's one of the things I hate so much about this country. Bono and Bill Cullen are both people I admire and who call it exactly as it is.

It's absolutely fine if you admire them. There's no problem there.
People can disagree with you and you can in turn disagree with them.
That's all valid.

My problem is first when defenders, instead of disagreeing on points just say "aah that's just begrudgery". Thats no an argument in my opinion.

I have a bigger problem with the same people who use that non-argument and then try to say it's an inherent "Irish" trait so we don't need to debate anything because detractors are just working from some template instead of looking closely at Bono's many public statements and making a considered opinion on his character (and whatever Bill Cullen does, I'm out on a limb here but I want to say pet insurance?)

Sir Arthur Daley

The Rose of Tralee.

sawdoubters

25 year old virgins

zetalambda

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

They're both hard working, talented, successful people. For that i also admire them both. But, christ, they both come across like pains in the hole.

I know what you mean! Think it just comes with being that successful and having such high standards (and a massive ego).
And even though I admire them, they're the last two people in the world I'd like to work for or under.

MonaPizza

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Children will pick on each other for anything. You're full of shite if you say you wore a uniform to school and nobody got picked on as a result.

Kids will pick on each other for anything but at least the school uniform removes a few reason for targeting another kid, i.e. cheapo jumper, cheapo jeans, colour of shirt/trousers etc.

Kids in uniform are less likely to misbehave outside of school hours (lunchtime, heading home, etc) if they are in uniform as they are more easily identifiable.
When the uniform was introduced in my scondary school we all bitched about it but once we started wearing it nobody really gave a fcuk.

Sir Arthur Daley

The kids will pick on each other now for what model iphone they have not to mind the uniform.

Tin Foil Hat

zetalambda wrote: »

I know what you mean! Think it just comes with being that successful and having such high standards (and a massive ego).

It's not just that (well, it is for Cullen).

Take Bono. He wants to take money out of the pockets of normal families to pay for hims pet project, while he moves his money from country to country to pay the bear minimum of tax on his one billion quid. He really is the highest order of cuunt.