LEAP CARD - Updated Summary of Cards/Functionality Available - February 2014

LXFlyer

I've once again updated this guide to LEAP card functionality - adding capping details for pay-as-you-go and additional period passes.





LEAP CARD – Cards Available:

• Adult unpersonalised
• Adult personalised
• Child leap card (Under 12)
• Child leap card (12-15) - Personalised
• Student travelcard - Personalised

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LEAP CARD – Summary of Ticket Products Available:



Leap can be used in two modes:

• Pay-as-you-go epurse
• Period pass offering unlimited travel on one or more modes

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PAY-AS-YOU-GO E-PURSE:

· Dublin Bus (All services) - Daily and weekly (Monday-Sunday) capping applies (see below) – Tag on only - May require to interact with driver

· Irish Rail (Short Hop Zone only) – Daily and weekly (Monday-Sunday) capping applies (see below) – Tag on and off

Note:
The Irish Rail Short Hop Zone incorporates all stations from Kilcoole to Balbriggan, Howth, M3 Parkway and Maynooth and from Dublin Heuston to Hazelhatch.

· Bus Eireann (limited to Greater Dublin Area –excepting 100X and 101) – Tag on only via driver

· LUAS (All services) – Daily and weekly (Monday-Sunday) capping applies (see below) – Tag on and off

· Matthews Coaches (Bettystown-Laytown-Dublin service) – Tag on only via driver

· Wexford Bus (Wexford-Dublin-Dublin Airport service only) – Tag on only via driver

· Swords Express (All services) – Tag on only via driver

Dublin Bus, Irish Rail Short Hop, and LUAS pay-as-you-go epurse fares can be found here.

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CAPPING ON PAY-AS-YOU-GO:
An automated daily or weekly (Monday-Sunday) cap will be applied to all e-purse transactions. Different caps will apply to single operators, or where two or more operators are used as below.

Single Operator Capping Levels:

Dublin Bus:
Daily - Adult €6.90 / Student €5.00 / Child €2.50
Weekly (Monday-Sunday) - Adult €27.50 / Student €20.00 / Child €8.20

Note:
For Dublin Bus Xpresso, Outer Suburban 2, and Nitelink services a maximum of €2.50 (€1.15 for a child) of the fare contributes towards the cap. Airlink, tours and special events are excluded from the cap.

LUAS:
Daily - Adult €6.40 / Student €5.00 / Child €2.50
Weekly (Monday-Sunday) - Adult €23.50 / Student €18.00 / Child €8.20

Irish Rail (Short Hop Zone):
Daily - Adult €9.20 / Student €6.90 / Child €3.10
Weekly (Monday-Sunday) - Adult €35.50 / Student €27.00 / Child €12.00


Multi-Operator Capping Levels:
The following caps apply where two or more operators are used.

Dublin Bus / LUAS / Irish Rail (Short Hop Zone):
Daily - Adult €10.00 / Student €7.50 / Child €3.50
Weekly (Monday-Sunday) - Adult €40.00 / Student €30.00 / Child €14.00

Note:
For Dublin Bus Xpresso, Outer Suburban 2, and Nitelink services a maximum of €2.50 (€1.15 for a child) of the fare contributes towards the cap. Airlink, tours and special events are excluded from the cap.

More information on capping is available here.

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TOPPING UP LEAP CARD E-PURSE



The LEAP card e-purse can be topped up a number of different ways:

• At one of over 400 Payzone LEAP card agents around Dublin
• At any LUAS ticket machine
• At any Irish Rail ticket machine in the Short Hop Zone
• Online at www.leapcard.ie - Note that this option requires you to subsequently visit your nominated "load location" to physically load the top-up amount onto the card

Note:
Auto top-up is still under trial and not yet generally available

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PERIOD PASSES:
The following unlimited travel period passes can be loaded onto a LEAP card.

Dublin Bus:

Rambler 5 Day Adult - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 30 Day Adult - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 5 Day Student – requires Student LEAP Card - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 30 Day Student – requires Student LEAP Card - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Rambler 1 Day Family - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side

Annual Bus Only Travelwide Ticket (requires personalised LEAP card) - Tag on only via Validator on righthand side


Irish Rail Short Hop Zone:

Annual Rail Only (Short Hop Zone) (requires personalised LEAP card) - Tag on/tag off


Bus Eireann:

Daily (24 hours) Greater Dublin Area zonal unlimited travel tickets - Tag on only via driver

Weekly (7 day) Greater Dublin Area zonal unlimited travel tickets - Tag on only via driver

For more information on Bus Eireann zonal tickets see here.

LUAS:

Annual LUAS all zone tickets (requires personalised LEAP card) - Tag on/tag off

Monthly LUAS all zone tickets (requires personalised LEAP card) - Tag on/tag off


Wexford Bus:

Weekly 10 Journey Ticket Adult - Tag on only via driver

Weekly 10 Journey Ticket Student - Tag on only via driver


Swords Express:

10 Journey Ticket - Tag on only via driver


Multi-Operator:

Dublin Bus/Irish Rail (Short Hop Zone):

Annual Dublin Bus/Irish Rail Short Hop ticket (requires personalised LEAP card) - Tag on only on Dublin Bus, tag on/tag off on Irish Rail


Dublin Bus/LUAS:

Annual Dublin Bus/LUAS ticket (requires personalised LEAP card) - Tag on only on Dublin Bus, tag on/tag off on LUAS


Irish Rail (Short Hop Zone)/LUAS:

Annual Irish Rail Short Hop/LUAS ticket (requires personalised LEAP card) - Tag on/tag off on Irish Rail and LUAS


Dublin Bus/Irish Rail (Short Hop Zone)/LUAS

Annual Dublin Bus/Irish Rail Short Hop/LUAS ticket (requires personalised LEAP card) - Tag on only on Dublin Bus, tag on/tag off on Irish Rail and LUAS

bg07

The necessity for this thread is indicative of how poor the leap card website is. The overall layout is poor and does not work correctly on mobile devices. It is poorly maintained with for example features that have been available for a couple of months such as DB capping referred to as coming soon on some pages. In places it refers to use links to find further details of fares and the links only go to homepages of IE or DB etc. which is very lazy.

Seen as leap’s parent the NTA ultimately set all fares the site should clearly present all fares both cash, non leap pre-paid and leap fares in as clear manner as possible on a single page. The fact that such a page would be quite long should be pushing towards a more simplified fare structure. Trying to find out what ticket is best for you should not be as complicated as it is now.

While there may be technical and commercial reasons for the slow rollout of the card features and other card limitations there is no excuse for such a poor website.

AlekSmart

bg07 wrote: »

The necessity for this thread is indicative of how poor the leap card website is. The overall layout is poor and does not work correctly on mobile devices. It is poorly maintained with for example features that have been available for a couple of months such as DB capping referred to as coming soon on some pages. In places it refers to use links to find further details of fares and the links only go to homepages of IE or DB etc. which is very lazy.

Seen as leap’s parent the NTA ultimately set all fares the site should clearly present all fares both cash, non leap pre-paid and leap fares in as clear manner as possible on a single page. The fact that such a page would be quite long should be pushing towards a more simplified fare structure. Trying to find out what ticket is best for you should not be as complicated as it is now.

While there may be technical and commercial reasons for the slow rollout of the card features and other card limitations there is no excuse for such a poor website.

This post very accurately sums up why I feel somewhat nonplussed by this......

http://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/national-transport-authoritys-leap-card-wins-first-prize-at-transport-ticketing-awards/

The judging panel obviously not Boards.ie readers !!

pclive

Been told by Dublin Bus that the smart card readers have now received their software update and cards should now be read within 1 second.
Anyone notice this yet?

punisher5112

pclive wrote: »

Been told by Dublin Bus that the smart card readers have now received their software update and cards should now be read within 1 second.
Anyone notice this yet?

I really hope so because I'm getting sick of people just walking on and ignoring me when I tell them it didn't work.
And then getting the odd aggressive or very annoyed passenger telling me it did work or how dare I make a show of them and so on...

What I say is simple sorry your card didn't work or if ignored use the PA system and wait for them to return before departing.

So many are flashing the card over especially when busy as it is difficult to see whos card didn't work.

Carawaystick

punisher5112 wrote: »

I really hope so because I'm getting sick of people just walking on and ignoring me when I tell them it didn't work.
And then getting the odd aggressive or very annoyed passenger telling me it did work or how dare I make a show of them and so on...

What I say is simple sorry your card didn't work or if ignored use the PA system and wait for them to return before departing.

So many are flashing the card over especially when busy as it is difficult to see whos card didn't work.

Having a 1 second wait time for a new system is bananas.
The Tube rejected an initial nfc system which would have a 350 ms response time, it's now been reduced for trials.

The MTA had a requirement that customers would not have to break stride to swipe mag-stripe cards entering subway or busses.

Dartz

Broombridge Station readers still ****ed, btw

Annoying because I work near it and now have to waste time every morning buying a ticket.

Or pay the full whack each time.

Be better off driving except I get stuck at a level crossing for 20 minutes every morning on the Ratoath road.

And yes, the Washington Metro system is awesome. I still have the Smartrip card in my wallet from my holiday last year.

AlekSmart

pclive wrote: »

Been told by Dublin Bus that the smart card readers have now received their software update and cards should now be read within 1 second.
Anyone notice this yet?

I am not certain of this as yet.

I remain cautious,particularly as a 1 second read time is FAR slower than what we currently have.

Indeed,I seem to recall 500Ms (Half a second) as the baseline figure upon which Leap was configured..?

The issue however,is NOT the Leapcard read time,it is the "Time To Live" (TTL) upon presentation of a Leapcard to the reader.

There has not been ANY issue regarding the speed of the actual Leapcard transaction-The issue has been,and remains,the LAG before the Leapcard sceen appears on the machine.

It should also be noted that we now have had a minimum of 3 seperate "Upgrades",to address at least 3 seperate issues,so there could be an element of confusion as to what was at issue in the OP's question to DB ?

carlmango11

punisher5112 wrote: »

I really hope so because I'm getting sick of people just walking on and ignoring me when I tell them it didn't work.
And then getting the odd aggressive or very annoyed passenger telling me it did work or how dare I make a show of them and so on...

What I say is simple sorry your card didn't work or if ignored use the PA system and wait for them to return before departing.

So many are flashing the card over especially when busy as it is difficult to see whos card didn't work.

This is Dublin Bus's fault. Their equipment is not up to scratch. The ticket should not take ~3 seconds to read. It's ridiculous. That said though, if told it didn't read properly they shouldn't make a fuss

ailbheg

AlekSmart wrote: »

I am not certain of this as yet.

There has not been ANY issue regarding the speed of the actual Leapcard transaction-The issue has been,and remains,the LAG before the Leapcard sceen appears on the machine.

This might be the case, but it's still very slow to show the green light and what has been charged to the card, meaning that passengers are slow to remove the card after the transaction, as some drivers don't tell you that the fare has been paid.

Spanish Eyes

I hope nobody minds me asking what may be stupid questions, thanks! (couldn't find the answers on the website).

1. If you have credit on Leap Card, and load up a weekly, monthly, travel 90 etc., how does the system know this, and not take the fare from the purse rather than the multi trip ticket? Also, if i only want to make say one trip and use the purse rather than waste a day of a multi ticket, how is this done?

2. If you are using the Leap with just the purse, and you know you will exceed the cap for the day, then I presume there will be no need to present card to the bus driver, (use the card reader), since it doesn't matter to the total cap where you Board?

punisher5112

You can activate whatever purse you want by placing on drivers machine and ask to use travel90 and so on.

LXFlyer

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I hope nobody minds me asking what may be stupid questions, thanks! (couldn't find the answers on the website).

1. If you have credit on Leap Card, and load up a weekly, monthly, travel 90 etc., how does the system know this, and not take the fare from the purse rather than the multi trip ticket? Also, if i only want to make say one trip and use the purse rather than waste a day of a multi ticket, how is this done?

2. If you are using the Leap with just the purse, and you know you will exceed the cap for the day, then I presume there will be no need to present card to the bus driver, (use the card reader), since it doesn't matter to the total cap where you Board?

1. If you use the righthand validator in situation 1, it will deduct 1 day from the loaded rambler ticket. If you just want to pay-as-you-go, use the driver's ticket machine.

2. Strictly speaking you should be paying the correct fares, but no it won't make any difference. Obviously this only applies where you have no rambler tickets loaded!!!

xper

AlekSmart wrote: »

This post very accurately sums up why I feel somewhat nonplussed by this......

http://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/national-transport-authoritys-leap-card-wins-first-prize-at-transport-ticketing-awards/

The judging panel obviously not Boards.ie readers !!

Sure 'Titanic' won 11 oscars. :cool:

Looks great on the ol' CV though.

ailbheg

ailbheg wrote: »

This might be the case, but it's still very slow to show the green light and what has been charged to the card, meaning that passengers are slow to remove the card after the transaction, as some drivers don't tell you that the fare has been paid.

Wonder if the driver of the 44 this morning saw this, he's saying "done" to anyone using the Leap card, saving a few seconds for each one...makes much more sense than waiting for the light to go green.

Dravokivich

Lxflyer, Seems tickets have been updated on the website now for Dublin Bus, Wexford Bus and Swords Express.

Dartz wrote: »

Broombridge Station readers still ****ed, btw

Annoying because I work near it and now have to waste time every morning buying a ticket.

Or pay the full whack each time.

Be better off driving except I get stuck at a level crossing for 20 minutes every morning on the Ratoath road.

And yes, the Washington Metro system is awesome. I still have the Smartrip card in my wallet from my holiday last year.

There isn't any there. Not even sure why they kept the poles up. The "validators" have just been lumps of plastic for years.

SpaceTime

They were supposed to be rolling this out in Cork early this year?

Has that fallen off the to-do list?

LXFlyer

SpaceTime wrote: »

They were supposed to be rolling this out in Cork early this year?

Has that fallen off the to-do list?

No - they said late spring or early summer.

LXFlyer

Dravokivich wrote: »

Lxflyer, Seems tickets have been updated on the website now for Dublin Bus, Wexford Bus and Swords Express.

Not sure what you mean?

Dravokivich

lxflyer wrote: »

Not sure what you mean?

Avail to purchase as online topups.

LXFlyer

Dravokivich wrote: »

Avail to purchase as online topups.

Any chance you could put a link up please to where you're seeing this?

As others have alluded to, the LEAP website is rather unwieldy!!

Dravokivich

lxflyer wrote: »

Any chance you put a link up please to where you're seeing this?

Can't it'll be through my login session. When you go to the topup section, there's a " Top-Up Ticket " option. From there you can select a few different operators and the tickets for'em.

LeinsterDub

While TfL talks about going cashless , we 2 years after leap's launch are talking about automatic top up and reasonable read times.

LXFlyer

LeinsterDub wrote: »

While TfL talks about going cashless , we 2 years after leap's launch are talking about automatic top up and reasonable read times.

Well bear in mind it took them over 12 years since the initial rollout to get to where they are now, and they don't have a weekly cap in place for pay-as-you-go users, unlike here.

LXFlyer

Thanks for that heads up Drakovich!

Now available online are the following products for any registered LEAP card.

You must then however go to a payzone agent to physically load the product onto the card.

• Dublin Bus:
  • 1 Day Rambler (Family)
  • 5 Day Rambler
  • 30 Day Rambler
  • Airlink Return ticket
  • 2 Day City Tour ticket

• Bus Eireann
  • 1 day and 7 day tickets for the Greater Dublin Area

• Swords Express
  • 10 Journey ticket

• Wexford Bus
  • 10 Journey ticket

stop

lxflyer wrote: »

Thanks for that heads up Drakovich!

Now available online are the following products for any registered LEAP card.

You must then however go to a payzone agent to physically load the product onto the card.

• Dublin Bus:
  • 1 Day Rambler
  • 5 Day Rambler
  • 30 Day Rambler
  • Airlink Return ticket
  • 2 Day City Tour ticket

• Bus Eireann
  • 1 day and 7 day tickets for the Greater Dublin Area

• Swords Express
  • 10 Journey ticket

• Wexford Bus
  • 10 Journey ticket

Good news as I have yet to find a payzone agent that would accept a Credit/Debit card as payment for a 30 day adult rambler.


However..

You must then however go to a payzone agent to physically load the product onto the card.

Surely we should be able to collect the tickets at a Luas/IE station as is the case with cash top ups?

Dravokivich

stop wrote: »

Good news as I have yet to find a payzone agent that would accept a Credit/Debit card as payment for a 30 day adult rambler.


However..


Surely we should be able to collect the tickets at a Luas/IE station as is the case with cash top ups?

Credit top ups aren't tied to an operator though, whereas the tickets are.

stephenhyland

lxflyer wrote: »

Dublin Bus / LUAS / Irish Rail (Short Hop Zone):
Daily - Adult €10.00 / Student €7.50 / Child €3.50
Weekly (Monday-Sunday) - Adult €40.00 / Student €30.00 / Child €14.00

Note:
For Dublin Bus Xpresso, Outer Suburban 2, and Nitelink services a maximum of €2.50 (€1.15 for a child) of the fare contributes towards the cap. Airlink, tours and special events are excluded from the cap.

Hi there,

Just a question about capping. I used an express service yesterday as well as two other buses and a commuter train. I was charged over the student cap.

Am I right is saying that only 2.50 of the express bus I took goes to the cap and I am charged the remainder of the fare outside the daily cap? So everything else will be held at 7.50 bar the express bus?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks.

LXFlyer

stephenhyland wrote: »

Hi there,

Just a question about capping. I used an express service yesterday as well as two other buses and a commuter train. I was charged over the student cap.

Am I right is saying that only 2.50 of the express bus I took goes to the cap and I am charged the remainder of the fare outside the daily cap? So everything else will be held at 7.50 bar the express bus?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks.

Yes that's right.

LXFlyer

stop wrote: »

Good news as I have yet to find a payzone agent that would accept a Credit/Debit card as payment for a 30 day adult rambler.


However..


Surely we should be able to collect the tickets at a Luas/IE station as is the case with cash top ups?

It's not coming up with that option with the period pass tickets, only the cash top-up.

I'm guessing that those ticket machines/validators cannot handle loading other products.

bikeman1

I have to say, I am slightly impressed at the recent speeding up of the products available on leap. At last we seem to be seeing some improvement.

Now we need leap to fully display and explain to passengers how they can go about getting all these new tickets.

I think the booking offices at the IE stations should have a leap terminal that can load credit onto and for people to buy various products. I think it would be a huge help as a lot of people like to talk to someone and have a phobia of using TVMs and even the leap itself.

Surely having everyone on leap will be cheaper as the companies have less cash to handle, which can be quite expensive.

Anyway good work done by leap and thanks to LX for making it simple to see whats out there.

bk

lxflyer wrote: »

It's not coming up with that option with the period pass tickets, only the cash top-up.

I'm guessing that those ticket machines/validators cannot handle loading other products.

Oh god, you have to be kidding!!

Will the idiocracy of Leap ever end!

Alun

bikeman1 wrote: »

Now we need leap to fully display and explain to passengers how they can go about getting all these new tickets.

Agreed. I don't recall seeing a single ad for Leap any time I've been on a bus to be honest.

Dravokivich

bk wrote: »

Oh god, you have to be kidding!!

Will the idiocracy of Leap ever end!

I doubt that's it, as the monthly tax savers will need to be renewed by Luas users and Irish Rail users using their respective validators. It's likely to be a restriction based on the operator the product is for.

stop

Call me crazy but I had a vision of integrated ticketing where one day I might be able to buy a bus ticket from a Luas ticket machine... or at the very least collect the ticket I've already paid for.

cgcsb

Would it not be simpler to just implement a zonal based system across all operators in the GDA, like every other European City with the added benefit of daily and weekly caps?

LXFlyer

Alun wrote: »

Agreed. I don't recall seeing a single ad for Leap any time I've been on a bus to be honest.

You mustn't be looking very hard - there's an ad on every bus shelter timetable panel, plus I've seen numerous ads on the downstairs ad panels on the buses.

LEAP fares have been displayed (along with cash fares) on the panel on the window beside the door since before the fare changes.

elusiveguy

I really hope they extend the rail use. getting so sick of monthly tickets not working after a week

Spanish Eyes

lxflyer wrote: »

1. If you use the righthand validator in situation 1, it will deduct 1 day from the loaded rambler ticket. If you just want to pay-as-you-go, use the driver's ticket machine.

2. Strictly speaking you should be paying the correct fares, but no it won't make any difference. Obviously this only applies where you have no rambler tickets loaded!!!

Thank you very much!

That is very clear.

It's a pity there is not more information out there about this, as the loading of ramblers is new, and those who have been loading their purse up to now may Be confused. At least I was!

Not anymore though.

Geuze

stop wrote: »

Call me crazy but I had a vision of integrated ticketing where one day I might be able to buy a bus ticket from a Luas ticket machine... or at the very least collect the ticket I've already paid for.

My dream is for there simply to be a ticket.

Not a bus ticket or a tram ticket or a train ticket.

A multi-modal ticket.

I buy a single ticket to go from A to D.

I might take bus + bus + bus.

I might take bus + tram + tram.

I might take tram + DART + bus.

One journey, one ticket, one fare.

Utopia??

LXFlyer

Geuze wrote: »

My dream is for there simply to be a ticket.

Not a bus ticket or a tram ticket or a train ticket.

A multi-modal ticket.

I buy a single ticket to go from A to D.

I might take bus + bus + bus.

I might take bus + tram + tram.

I might take tram + DART + bus.

One journey, one ticket, one fare.

Utopia??

Well while you're waiting for that single product (which I would call a multi-mode equivalent of the existing bus only travel 90 ticket), you can get:

1) The Dublin Bus Travel 90 ticket that allows 90 minutes unlimited travel on Dublin Bus services (available as a 10 trip smartcard - single versions available at the airport)

or:

2) A monthly/annual bus/rail/LUAS ticket

In the meantime you will have to make do with fare capping as currently implemented.

Alun

lxflyer wrote: »

You mustn't be looking very hard - there's an ad on every bus shelter timetable panel, plus I've seen numerous ads on the downstairs ad panels on the buses.

LEAP fares have been displayed (along with cash fares) on the panel on the window beside the door since before the fare changes.

The thing is I know Leap exists already so wasn't looking for them The basic idea of advertising isn't that you should actively seek it out, it should jump out at you. Maybe they're just not eye catching enough?

bk

Geuze wrote: »

One journey, one ticket, one fare.

Utopia??

Here, here, I couldn't agree more.

And such utopia does exist, it exists in Amsterdam where just such a system exists.

There you are charged for the total distance travelled (per km) irrespective of what you use or how many of them you use.

And really there is no reason why we can't implement such an excellent system with Leap.

Instead we have a mess of stages, daily caps, weekly caps, multioperator daily/weekly caps, various single operator period tickets. Total mess.

LeinsterDub

bk wrote: »

Here, here, I couldn't agree more.

And such utopia does exist, it exists in Amsterdam where just such a system exists.

There you are charged for the total distance travelled (per km) irrespective of what you use or how many of them you use.

And really there is no reason why we can't implement such an excellent system with Leap.

Instead we have a mess of stages, daily caps, weekly caps, multioperator daily/weekly caps, various single operator period tickets. Total mess.

The old IT catchphase seems apt

lfc84

and multiple validators on buses !

im visiting in this june and found it very difficult to get my head round when compared to London's oyster

I still ordered the leap card though but I wont even begin to say I follow it. i'll end up asking people

XPS_Zero

stop wrote: »

Call me crazy but I had a vision of integrated ticketing where one day I might be able to buy a bus ticket from a Luas ticket machine... or at the very least collect the ticket I've already paid for.

Good luck with that wait, our political leadership on all sides of the aisle are a bunch of vision-less incompetents who can't see past the next election so to expect common sense policy from them is a bit of a leap.
Take just your small point about integrated ticketing, get a bus ticket from a Luas machine? You can't even get half the LUAS tickets from the luas machine!

There are those of us out there who are odd, and use the Luas and the DART. I was wondering a while back if there were LUAS-DART combos, the Luas website made no mention of them so I asked at several Irish Rail stations, nope, nope, nope...then one guy there longer siad yes there is.
I've since found out that Platform II have written to LUAS and Irish Rail asking why these are only available in IR offices and not in Luas machines when they are basically a major ticketing option - no reply.
I used to get these tickets a lot, then more recently a LUAS-DART-BUS combi monthly which was great.
But since LEAP capping has come in these tickets are basically pointless as the weekly LEAP cap for all services x 4 weeks is less than what these old magnetic strip tickets charge.
I still think this should be an option in LUAS machines it's ridicilous that LUAS-BUS tickets are there and LUAS-DART tickets are not.
You should have the option of buying a paper ticket or a LEAP version of it for around the same price.

Take another magnetic strip ticket: the daily BUS-DART rambler, it's €13. The Daily DART-LUAS-BUS cap is €10...so why are they selling a ticket (whos price they hiked this year from €12 widening the gap) covering 2 services for more than it costs to get 3 services for the same period???

Don't tell me it's an incentive to switch to LEAP, I just don't think they're that bright, I think it's that way cos they are morons and the simplest explanations usually the correct one.

Fred Swanson

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XPS_Zero

Fred Swanson wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

It's hardly much of a perk most people using the Airport will use aircoach or the dart-airbus combi options or take the Metro that was due for completion in 2007...oh wait...never mind...
If you're buying a DART-BUS Day Rambler it's probably because you're zipping around the city not heading to the airport.

I just get the sense that nobody's actually ever sat down and thought all this stuff through in a clear logical way, I often wonder what ministers do all day if basic stuff like this is wrong years on end and nobody's looking at it

LXFlyer

XPS_Zero wrote: »

Good luck with that wait, our political leadership on all sides of the aisle are a bunch of vision-less incompetents who can't see past the next election so to expect common sense policy from them is a bit of a leap.
Take just your small point about integrated ticketing, get a bus ticket from a Luas machine? You can't even get half the LUAS tickets from the luas machine!

There are those of us out there who are odd, and use the Luas and the DART. I was wondering a while back if there were LUAS-DART combos, the Luas website made no mention of them so I asked at several Irish Rail stations, nope, nope, nope...then one guy there longer siad yes there is.
I've since found out that Platform II have written to LUAS and Irish Rail asking why these are only available in IR offices and not in Luas machines when they are basically a major ticketing option - no reply.
I used to get these tickets a lot, then more recently a LUAS-DART-BUS combi monthly which was great.
But since LEAP capping has come in these tickets are basically pointless as the weekly LEAP cap for all services x 4 weeks is less than what these old magnetic strip tickets charge.
I still think this should be an option in LUAS machines it's ridicilous that LUAS-BUS tickets are there and LUAS-DART tickets are not.
You should have the option of buying a paper ticket or a LEAP version of it for around the same price.

Take another magnetic strip ticket: the daily BUS-DART rambler, it's €13. The Daily DART-LUAS-BUS cap is €10...so why are they selling a ticket (whos price they hiked this year from €12 widening the gap) covering 2 services for more than it costs to get 3 services for the same period???

Don't tell me it's an incentive to switch to LEAP, I just don't think they're that bright, I think it's that way cos they are morons and the simplest explanations usually the correct one.

The one day bus/rail ticket is one of several tickets that I believe that the NTA have said are to be withdrawn this year as LEAP functionality increases.

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Nor do you get the 747 on the 1 day Bus/Rail ticket.


To be honest, it's another glitch - until LEAP is fully rolled out there will be some issues like this.

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What irritates me is they found time to sit down and plan fare hikes for those tickets but while they were at it gave no thought to the ticket structures or the total contradictions in the system like in some intercity journeys student tickets being more expensive than adult ones.

Then there are tickets they withdrew years ago that were brilliant tickets that should have been kept IMO like the DART NITELINK which was real integrated ticketing long before LEAP where you could get a DART into Dublin CC and the Nitelink home on the same ticket.
Theres no real innovation these days with stuff like that their sole and excusive focus with the exception of the caps decision has been fare hike after fare hike after fare hike, the p1ss take price increase in the Travel 90 over the last decade is proof of that.
We don't allow open returns, all has to be within the same day.
We don't sell child tickets in the machines yet we give out to parents if the booking office was closed and there was no way to buy one.
We have very poor and pricy options for tourists.
We shaft students in a number of ways.
IR have total inconsistency in how they apply their own rules, you can buy a ticket on the train here...BUT NOT HERE YOU FARE EVADING SPONGER SCUM!!!...

When they decided to build 2 metro lines and or a major alteration to the DART system and the LUAS network someone should have set down and put together a vision for real change, Transport 21 was meant to be that but it seems to have been more colorful press releases and videos than actual thought into real substantive useful changes.
Then of course the central problem: they don't involve the passenger in any of this. Same attitude problem as the rest of the Irish PS , we exist to service them not the other way around.

Lifelike

The introduction of the Leap card should have coincided with the introduction of a flat fare of €2 leap/€3 cash on Dublin Bus, with maybe a 50c surcharge for Xpresso and Outer Suburban services. Such an arrangement would greatly encourage take-up of the card, speed up boarding and make the bus much more attractive to use.