CM Punk Megathread

gimmick

Ill take the blame here, but back on topic of CM punk please gents.

mikey13

The story being picked up by major news outlets in US and UK.. Mega work? One way to build interest or one way to get unwanted publicity..

Lithium93_

I tip my hat to CM Punk for taking his ball and going home, he obviously needs to time to plan his next step, renew his WWE contract or jump ship altogether, and get whatever injuries he has healed

krudler

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I tip my hat to CM Punk for taking his ball and going home, he obviously needs to time to plan his next step, renew his WWE contract or jump ship altogether, and get whatever injuries he has healed

Fair play to him I say, all the whinging (even when he's right to) in the world won't send a message like walking out will. (If it's not all a work)

Lithium93_

krudler wrote: »

Fair play to him I say, all the whinging (even when he's right to) in the world won't send a message like walking out will. (If it's not all a work)

I somehow don't think Punk walking out is a walk, i think it could be genuine unhappiness

cagefactor

obviously this is not a work. The situation with Bryan is obviously not a work either, they dont want him with the title and are trying their best to keep the crowd quiet.

Punk will probably be back in a year for big money pay off but unfortunately he'll never be coming back and winning the royal rumble like Batista as he's just not seen as a big draw really (didnt' even main event WM while champion)

mikey13

I think everything should be taken with a pinch of salt until some sort of official statement is issued, the fact the story is spreading so rapidly should force WWE or Punk to release more information

Lithium93_

Keep an eye on CM Punk's Twitter,

Lord TSC

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Keep an eye on CM Punk's Twitter,

Yeah, you would imagine Punk is the very one who won't be afraid to comment publically...

ShagNastii

I'd probably be in the minority in thinking Punk is being a bit of an unprofessional douche. The WWE owe him nothing. They gave him a WWE title reign which is one of the most impressive (how long was it) in the modern era. Comparable to the crap Bryan has dealt with in his tenure Punk has had it quite easy.

Yeah headlining WM is a dream but like everything it's all about timing. HHH/Punk would be nice but HHH/Bryan at the mo is perfect.

It must be killer for the ever presents to have the part timers becoming more frequent but it's a case of tough luck.

rossie1977

krudler wrote: »

Fair play to him I say, all the whinging (even when he's right to) in the world won't send a message like walking out will. (If it's not all a work)

walking out won't change a thing, if austin walking out didn't change anything then punk walking out won't either. wwe have bigger fish to fry in 2014 than cm punk ie the network and their tv deals.

Lithium93_

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Yeah, you would imagine Punk is the very one who won't be afraid to comment publically...

I'd say Punk is letting his walk out get out there nationally & internationally, then he'll probably tweet something

mikey13

You can't say tough luck to someone who doesn't need the hassle or bull****, Punks wrestling because he wants to not because he needs to.. Punk like most people has the right to quit if he's unhappy in his workplace most people don't be because of money he doesn't have to worry about that

ShagNastii

ShagNastii wrote: »

I'd probably be in the minority in thinking Punk is being a bit of an unprofessional douche. The WWE owe him nothing. They gave him a WWE title reign which is one of the most impressive (how long was it) in the modern era. Comparable to the crap Bryan has dealt with in his tenure Punk has had it quite easy.

Yeah headlining WM is a dream but like everything it's all about timing. HHH/Punk would be nice but HHH/Bryan at the mo is perfect.

It must be killer for the ever presents to have the part timers becoming more frequent but it's a case of tough luck.

I agree. He held the title for a record number of days, faced The Rock and Brock Lesnar and he got to take on The Undertaker at WM.

I think he has to look at himself as well because in recent months he's just been going through the motions.

Didn't the WWE give him a tour bus as well?

Lord TSC

ShagNastii wrote: »

The WWE owe him nothing. They gave him a WWE title reign which is one of the most impressive (how long was it) in the modern era.

I wouldn't call it impressive at all, no more than I think Ambrose's current 7 month US reign has been impressive.

For a large chunk of Punk's reign, he was largely left in the midcard with little in way of storyline. If your sole way of judging a title reign is length, then your right. But in terms of quality over quantity, it wasn't spectacular.

For me, Punk comes across as the 2nd hardest working person they've got (behind Cena), and gets some of the top reactions. You can put him in a feud with nearly anyone and get great matches and angles. So, in my opinion, he deserves to be right up the top of the card come Mania time.

I look forward to interviews, twitter posts, etc that give more detail. But if it is based on Mania position or how useless creative are when it comes to putting one of their top stars into a top story, then I am fully behind Punk. Between this and the fans ****ing all over the Rumble, it's about time there was a bit of a revolt...

The Ayatolla

This is a work. Punk leaving. The Mick Foley baseball bat stuff. Something doesnt smell right....

Add in all the media coverage, blogs, forum talk this will generate.

Punk is gonna come out of this a bigger star than the Summer of Punk II....

kronsington

Whatever is going on, hopefully we see Punk back soon. With out him and Bryan near the top of things, the product is unbelievably stale. I would say the fans are already bored of Batistas incredibly underwhelming comeback. Turn him heel and have Punk and/or chasing him as champion and you might have something. otherwise the while thing stinks

rovert

kronsington wrote: »

Whatever is going on, hopefully we see Punk back soon. With out him and Bryan near the top of things, the product is unbelievably stale. I would say the fans are already bored of Batistas incredibly underwhelming comeback. Turn him heel and have Punk and/or chasing him as champion and you might have something. otherwise the while thing stinks

As someone else said 3 hour Raws have now gotten a lot longer.

RobbingBandit

Nothing from JR, Mick Foley or Stone Cold as of yet, also nothing on TMZ. Looks real to me and everyone seems to be keeping away from commenting although it has only gone 9am in New York so it may be 6pm here before any of these start to comment.

buckfasterer

If this isn't the work to end all works, then not just Vince but the board in general of the WWE need to take a step back and take a look at themselves. This is probably one of their worst weeks in recent memory publicity wise and it's all their own doing. Fans will only stick by a bull**** product for so long. And they always need to remember that nobody is too big to fail.

gnfnrhead

Cant say I'm surprised. He hasnt looked at all interested in months now. He seems to only be willing to put the effort in when he gets a big spot out of it. Despite that, it's a very childish thing to do assuming it is legit. WWE have given him almost everything in recent years. Longest title reign since Hulk Hogan, a shot at the Streak, one of the very people to face the Rock, one of the few to face Brock Lesnar (and the only guy to face both), constantly involved with the likes of Cena, longest time in the Rumble this year, etc. The only thing he hasnt gotten is a Rumble win and closing Wrestlemania. He got a co-main event last year, though. He has gotten more than pretty much anyone else on the roster, despite his attitude.

gnfnrhead

buckfasterer wrote: »

If this isn't the work to end all works, then not just Vince but the board in general of the WWE need to take a step back and take a look at themselves. This is probably one of their worst weeks in recent memory publicity wise and it's all their own doing. Fans will only stick by a bull**** product for so long. And they always need to remember that nobody is too big to fail.

I said it after the Rumble, but they are lucky they have no serious competition. If this was the late 90's or if TNA were anywhere close, they would be in serious trouble.

beakerjoe

Ive woken up to this! Wowsers

glenjamin

As much as I like Punk he is an egotistical, obnoxious, dick. He can feel aggrieved all he wants about Batista and Orton getting a main event spot at Mania for the title. Everybody does. There's isn't a wrestling fan out there that wants to see that match. However having said that he needs to realize that not everything is about him.

Cena has main evented the last 3 Mania's, yet this year he's being tossed into a feud with a midcarder and flavour of the month in Bray Wyatt. I think it's safe to say Cena won't be in the main event this year but does he complain about it? No! Cena knows he's had his turn, now it's somebody else's, and his turn will come again. Punk had his chance. He held the title for over a year, wrestled for it at Mania albeit not the main event, got the chance to wrestle Cena, Rock, Lesnar, and Taker (at Mania), and now he's dropped down the pecking order in order to give someone else their opportunity.

The attitude of Punk's is that he expects to main event every PPV, and be involved in all the hottest angles. He's not the main man. Cena is. During the Attitude Era Austin and Rock were the main guys. Wrestlers like Taker and Triple H, as big and as good as they were, always played second fiddle to them. Despite that Taker and Triple H still had their opportunities. They still got titles and main evented PPVs, but no matter what they always knew that Austin and Rock were always going to be ahead of them. Taker and Trips were still huge names and important figures in the WWE but they knew their place yet continued to work hard and do what they did best. Austin and Rock were bigger draws, sold more merchandise, and were bigger stars. Go 15 years in the future and replace Austin with Cena, and Taker with Punk. Still not the worst spot to be in if your CM Punk I think.

Yea WWE should be doing things differently in mine and a lot of other's opinions but they're not. It's their call. If they want the main event of Wrestlemania to bomb by having Boreton take on Bootista then so be it. It's their decision, not mine, and certainly not CM Punk's. They're the ones who will suffer from it if the buyrates aren't great, and the reaction to it after is a negative one.

Only a week ago did Punk say in an interview that his contract is up in July and he doesn't know if he'll stay on. What kind of answer is that from one of your top stars? You give him the world yet he can't even commit his future to the company, instead making out during an interview that he owes the WWE nothing and they owe him everything. In other words "they'll be lucky if I sign". What more does he want? And if he leaves where will he go? Back to ROH on a tiny fraction of the money he's on now? To TNA where compared to WWE creative is a joke? Will he get his tour bus and ice cream bars there?

Fcuk him.

rovert

According to Pwinsider.com, CM Punk has been pulled from all advertising of WWE live events going forward after a meeting with WWE management at Monday's WWE Raw tapings. Punk is under contract until July, but the feeling right now is that he is no longer factored into the company's plans moving forward. The plan was to work towards a CM Punk vs. Triple H match at WrestleMania 30, but not it seems as if WWE may slide Daniel Bryan into that slot.

Some sources have stated that the original script for Monday's Raw called for Punk to wrestle Antonio Cesaro and lose after Kane interfered in an Elimination Chamber Qualifying match. Other sources claim that he was not scheduled to wrestle, but instead say he was booked to do a promo that would follow up on Kane causing his elimination from the Rumble. Either way Punk was booked for Raw, but was not backstage for the show or at Smackdown.

The feeling is that the late re-writes for the show on Monday were because Punk had informed the company he was going home and wouldn't be back. Word is that this is not an injury situation, but instead a case of burnout and unhappiness with the overall direction of the company. Punk had been very vocal in the past about the usage of returning and "part time" stars being pushed beyond wrestlers who were working full-time for the company.


During a recent interview with Ariel Hewani, Punk spoke about working the crazy WWE schedule, and only ever taking time off for injuries. Punk worked over 50-minutes in Sunday's Royal Rumble match, and was described as being "pissy" backstage. But some has said that this is not unusual for him.

Another source noted that Punk's last goal was to work a WrestleMania main event, and that it may be a situation where Punk realized it wasn't going to happen this year and with his WWE deal expiring and him being so goal oriented, it may have weighed him down when he realized it would not happen.


Also during the Ariel Hewani interview, Punk was asked about WWE killing his momentum at times and why such things happen and stated that he'd like to think they don't make those decisions on purpose and it's more they wanted to go in another decision and that it was a different era.

Blame The Rock

krudler

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I wouldn't call it impressive at all, no more than I think Ambrose's current 7 month US reign has been impressive.

For a large chunk of Punk's reign, he was largely left in the midcard with little in way of storyline. If your sole way of judging a title reign is length, then your right. But in terms of quality over quantity, it wasn't spectacular.

For me, Punk comes across as the 2nd hardest working person they've got (behind Cena), and gets some of the top reactions. You can put him in a feud with nearly anyone and get great matches and angles. So, in my opinion, he deserves to be right up the top of the card come Mania time.

I look forward to interviews, twitter posts, etc that give more detail. But if it is based on Mania position or how useless creative are when it comes to putting one of their top stars into a top story, then I am fully behind Punk. Between this and the fans ****ing all over the Rumble, it's about time there was a bit of a revolt...

Agree, Punk has more than earned his spot by being consistently one of the strongest performers on the roster.

HHH and Batista have no place headlining Mania in this day and age. Orton/Batista is probably the match I'd like to see the least.

Bryan and Punk should have just asked to fight each other on the card and completely stole the show, face vs face for the internet's love :pac:

A Primal Nut

On the topic in hand, if Punk did leave for real (the fact it wasn't mentioned on Raw makes be believe he did) then both WWE and Punk must be loving the mainstream media attention. If anyone knows how to turn any publicity into a positive, it's Vince; so I'd say he'd be inviting Punk back in time for WrestleMania.

rovert

glenjamin wrote: »

Cena has main evented the last 3 Mania's, yet this year he's being tossed into a feud with a midcarder and flavour of the month in Bray Wyatt. I think it's safe to say Cena won't be in the main event this year but does he complain about it? No! Cena knows he's had his turn, now it's somebody else's, and his turn will come again. Punk had his chance. He held the title for over a year, wrestled for it at Mania albeit not the main event, got the chance to wrestle Cena, Rock, Lesnar, and Taker (at Mania), and now he's dropped down the pecking order in order to give someone else their opportunity.

Using company man Cena as the standard all should be judged is rather ridiculous IMO. Even on Total Divas Cena is presented as a bit of a weirdo in comparison to other mortals.

Also CM Punk is doing this Wrestling deal without the chemical enhancements the Cenas take too.

cian68

I never minded him not main eventing wrestlemania 28. I was more annoyed about about shows like over the limit being main evented by Johnny Ace or Big Show. I also don't think he is overly self entitled because it is a very difficult day to day job and him not wanting to do it anymore seems fair enough. Anyway Raw is in Chicago in March and nothing would surprise me on that show.

Penn

glenjamin wrote: »

Cena has main evented the last 3 Mania's, yet this year he's being tossed into a feud with a midcarder and flavour of the month in Bray Wyatt. I think it's safe to say Cena won't be in the main event this year but does he complain about it? No! Cena knows he's had his turn, now it's somebody else's, and his turn will come again. Punk had his chance. He held the title for over a year, wrestled for it at Mania albeit not the main event, got the chance to wrestle Cena, Rock, Lesnar, and Taker (at Mania), and now he's dropped down the pecking order in order to give someone else their opportunity.

But that's the thing; he's not being moved down the pecking order to give someone else their opportunity, he's being moved down the pecking order to give part-time returning stars who've already experienced their opportunities, more opportunities, and a big payday to suit.

Like I said earlier, I think that if Bryan had won the Rumble and was going to main event WM, Punk wouldn't have been so upset because he knows Bryan earned it. Rock didn't earn it, Rock was handed it. Batista didn't earn it, he was handed it. And the guys like Punk and Bryan who work hard all year trying to earn it... can't. At least when Jericho came back the last few years he didn't take a top spot, he tried to help build new stars.

While I agree his attitude stinks and he seems like he can be a bit of a d*ck, his ambition is admirable. He wants the top spot, has fought very hard for it, taken everything the WWE have thrown at him and ran with it, but if he can't get the top spot, what's the point?

krudler

glenjamin wrote: »

Cena has main evented the last 3 Mania's, yet this year he's being tossed into a feud with a midcarder and flavour of the month in Bray Wyatt. I think it's safe to say Cena won't be in the main event this year but does he complain about it? No! Cena knows he's had his turn, now it's somebody else's, and his turn will come again. Punk had his chance. He held the title for over a year, wrestled for it at Mania albeit not the main event, got the chance to wrestle Cena, Rock, Lesnar, and Taker (at Mania), and now he's dropped down the pecking order in order to give someone else their opportunity.

Cena has been the face of the company for near a decade now, Punk was left languishing in the midcard for a lot of his career and creative didn't know what to do with him. It's not really a fair comparison. It's not like Punk is being pushed aside from some new talent, it's Batista, who's in his late 40's, was gassed after about 2 minutes work in the Rumble and looked like he was going to keel over by the end, and that's who they want headlining the biggest show of the year?

spiritcrusher

If this wasn't a work to start I think you can bet on it becoming one. Punk may have had genuine reasons for walking out but the guy loves controversy and I reckon this has recharged his batteries right back up.
Wouldn't be hugely surprised if Punk himself was working Vince knowing that this shítstorm would brew up resulting in Vince seeing dollar signs.

rude awakening

Is this where we start a #CMPunkMovement alongside the #YesMovement

cian68

I'm sure his ufc and hockey tickets were already complimentary but the main stream publicity can't hirt

gnfnrhead

Penncil Dick wrote: »

Like I said earlier, I think that if Bryan had won the Rumble and was going to main event WM, Punk wouldn't have been so upset because he knows Bryan earned it.

I doubt that. Unless he gets to benefit he bitches and moans.

deano546

Hope that this leads to the crowd hijacking Bryan v Triple H with CM Punk chants.

Penn

deano546 wrote: »

Hope that this leads to the crowd hijacking Bryan v Triple H with CM Punk chants.

Ah no, save those for Boreton V Bootista

JP Liz V1

I'd say Punk is jealous of how over Bryan is, hell everyone in WWE must be jealous anyways I hope he returns

Soft Falling Rain

I'll actually be bowled over in astonishment if any match involving Batista draws the curtain on WMXXX. If that comes to fruition and I'm in the Woolshed that night, I'll be be walking out before the show ends.

I seriously cannot get my head around at how they think Batista, B level at best in his own god damn era, can draw the buyrates they want as the literal main event of the show. ****ing face Batista at that too.

krudler

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

I'll actually be bowled over in astonishment if any match involving Batista draws the curtain on WMXXX. If that comes to fruition and I'm in the Woolshed that night, I'll be be walking out before the show ends.

I seriously cannot get my head around at how they think Batista, B level at best in his own god damn era, can draw the buyrates they want as the literal main event of the show. ****ing face Batista at that too.

Indeed, heel douchebag Batista was the only time he was ever entertaining, and I don't even think he was acting :pac: He's as boring as a wet sunday as a face.

gerTheGreat

Do you guys feel like the WWE are repeating the mistakes that caused WCW to fail, i.e. over-reliance on older big names rather than the young and the good?

Loughc

Bad week all in all for the WWE, Vince must be a wreck the air of excitment he built with The Network launching has turned very bitter in the last few weeks, I wonder will this affect the number of buys they'll achieve on the network.

All I know is, the current product is putting me off buying it at the moment. But the classic PPVs might be enough to reel me in.

I wonder what knock on affect on Punk's walk out will have on the Kane storyline. Will he just feud with Bryan now or move on to someone else.

Also, once the part time starts feck off after WM, they really need to build new stars, they dropped the bar not pushing Ziggler and Sandow after their respective MITB wins.

gnfnrhead

gerTheGreat wrote: »

Do you guys feel like the WWE are repeating the mistakes that caused WCW to fail, i.e. over-reliance on older big names rather than the young and the good?

Yes, but unlike WCW they are in a far stronger position. The WWE brand alone sells PPV's.

Loughc

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Yes, but unlike WCW they are in a far stronger position. The WWE brand alone sells PPV's.

The WWECW Brand doesn't tho!

Moneymaker

Ridiculous behavior.

He's made a ton of money and has had a great career, multiple world championships, money in the banks, you name it.

Acting like a petulant child isn't the way to do things.

mikey13

Moneymaker wrote: »

Ridiculous behavior.

He's made a ton of money and has had a great career, multiple world championships, money in the banks, you name it.

Acting like a petulant child isn't the way to do things.

He's not acting like a child he's upset about his career not going anywhere and he has the money to allow him to quit, he's done what we all wish we could do!

A Rogue Hobo

It's hard to tell whats going on until something official is confirmed. I think some people are being unfair towards WWE here, it wasn't like he was forgotten about he has always been billed as a top star the last 2 or so years. I think he's just burnt out, I know there are a lot of Punk fanboys here that will worship everything he does but the fact is he hasn't exactly been in tip top shape for the last year if not more. Don't get me wrong he still has great matches when he wants to, but he's gotten even more sloppier than he was before over the last few months and as much flack as people were giving Batista for gassing so quickly in the Rumble Punk wasn't far behind him and all my friends that I watched the Rumble commented on it as well. Yes he was there for almost the whole match, but he was also on the canvas/standing around for the majority of it and when he was active he looked visibly exhausted.

gnfnrhead

mikey13 wrote: »

He's not acting like a child he's upset about his career not going anywhere and he has the money to allow him to quit, he's done what we all wish we could do!

He's acting like a child by no showing Raw and Smackdown and forcing re-writes because Daniel Bryan is getting the match Punk thought he was getting.

Lord TSC

Also thinking about it, I don't just support Punk cause of how he's trying to actually further his own career, but also in terms of how it's bit of a protest against something which damages WWE for the fans.

We constantly hear about WWE's inability to build stars and how they simply blame "not getting over" on the wrestlers themselves. But Punk (and Bryan) are examples of people who have gotten over, who are becoming modern day stars....and yet WWE still don't give a ****, and don't book them accordingly.

A walk-out/protest is actually something that would do the fans good, cause it might make WWE stop and think about what's happening. It's a shame there's not a viable alternative (No, I do not consider TNA to be one), cause if Punk actually moved somewhere, it would cause major shockwaves. He also could pull people with him. But with nowhere to go, he probably won't be able to convince smaller guys unfortunately. There's a lot of guys who could stand to be treated better by WWE right now.

krudler

Moneymaker wrote: »

Ridiculous behavior.

He's made a ton of money and has had a great career, multiple world championships, money in the banks, you name it.

Acting like a petulant child isn't the way to do things.

He still has plenty of that in him though, and is being pushed aside for someone who's nearly 50 and has had all that too.