What was the story with Michael Jackson?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

I was never a fan of his so don't know too much about him but he seems like an enigma.

Was his home built Funderland there to attract kids to him and feed his dark side or was he fulfilling the childhood he lost by building it, why did he buy the Beatles back catalogue, why are there conspiracies about him now???

Reading YouTube comments under his videos is a complete mind****.

MadsL

He was Bad.

You know it.

J_E

Nobody knows the truth. In my view it seems like he never had a childhood and wanted to recreate that in a way. Unfortunately his childhood thing manifested itself in a sexual way, and I although I doubt it was ever malicious to him, it was bad for the children he associated with. The whole story with the secret room in his house is a bit sinister, and I have no doubt he probably gave kids alcohol to relax them when they stayed over.

Doesn't detract from the fact he was a legendary musician.

Dr Robotnik

He was off the wall.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

I was very upset looking at the footage of the Jackson 5 carrying Michael's coffin when he died.


I thought it was Cool Runnings on, and that's my favourite film.

zetalambda

He experienced to much success at too young an age. The Justin Bieber of the 80's.

FearDark

He lived in the American Funderland.
He had good music once upon a time.
He used to be black.
Then he was white.
He touched children.
He was a weirdo.
He could dance.
He made the worst movies ever.
His music was fairly shyte towards the end.
He died.

Thats the story.

Drop me a PM if you want me to elaborate on any bit of that.

The Backwards Man

I feel sorry for him to be honest. I feel sorry for most super-famous people. Not famous people, they are mostly just cnuts, but super-famous people have a whole extra world of famousness thrust upon them that the cnuts only wish they had, but would regret it if they did.

RobbingBandit

He was a Thriller that Talked to the Man in the Mirror that liked to Beat It. He also lived in Neverland.

FearDark

zetalambda wrote: »

He experienced to much success at too young an age. The Justin Bieber of the 80's.

Justin Bieber with talent maybe?

stefan idiot jones

How did Michael know when it was time for bed?



When the big hand touches the little hand.

GerB40

Odd as fûck but I doubt he was a pedo. Once he was rich he could finally live out his childhood and because of how rich he was he could recreate what he thought was the perfect childhood. Thus he befriended kids. Not that I'm condoning his behavior (like I said, he was odd) but it's very unlikely there was any malice involved. P.S. The parents of the kids who accused him of molestation were found out to be liars and basically very unpleasant people.

hairyprincess

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

How did Michael know when it was time for bed?



When the big hand touches the little hand.

Child abuse isn't funny.

He didn't live in the real world. How could he. Somebody like that is only to be pitied

Gran Hermano

It's not really a black or white situation.

Bounty Hunter Dan

He was a genius and it's sad to see memory so tarnished, as I wouldn't say even a thousandth of what they wrote about him was true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Ijqp7YxQU

Chris The Hacker

zetalambda wrote: »

He experienced to much success at too young an age. The Justin Bieber of the 80's.

Justin Bieber will never sell as many albums as Jackson if Bieber was around in the '80s. I wasn't around back then but I can tell Jackson had a more general fanbase that didn't only consist of 12-year-old girls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums

dd972

Sent nuts by living in the spotlight glare of corporate celebrity culture, musically I think he progressively declined after the brilliant Off the Wall album, a lot of people in his position would have gone mad, something that's overlooked by the snark merchants and piss takers.

The real deal with Micheal Jackson is that he's Mr. Burns' assistant. He's in his early forties, is unmarried, and currently resides in Springfield. Thanks for writing!

CrazyRabbit

He grew up in an abusive family. Adults were people who controlled him, and used him for their own gain. As he became a teen, he was unable to form 'normal' relationships with his peers or adults as he didn't, and couldn't trust them.

As he got older, he found that the children were the only people that had genuine affection for him, yet wanted nothing from him in return (well other than simple attention).

He felt comfortable around children, and thus surrounded himself with them once he had control over his own life. Odd yes, but understandable and not any indication of any wrongdoing in itself.

The only question is; did his sexual desires gravitate towards children because he couldn't trust others his own age? It's impossible to say, but it's certainly possible.
I'm sure there were at least some people out there who would have just seen a mega rich, naive guy who was surrounded by children and sensed an opportunity to get rich by crying 'abuse'.

Even if he did abuse children, I still feel sorry for him. He was very damaged by his childhood.
(And of course, if he did abuse, then I would feel so sorry for his victims as well).

mdwexford

zetalambda wrote: »

He experienced to much success at too young an age. The Justin Bieber of the 80's.

Wash your mouth out.

vicwatson

Doesn't detract from the fact he was a legendary musician

Lol

Tipsy McSwagger

A musical genius destroyed by the gutter press and scummy lying parents.

Jesus Wept

lolling at the concept of living at Funderland.

19543261

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

ALiasEX

Completely misrepresented and misunderstood.

People who knew him such as Elizabeth Taylor, Chris Tucker, Donald Trump, etc. have described him as (paraphrasing) an amazing father, shrewed business man, kind, loving, generous, funny, genius.

And he was most definitely into women , not children. "I tell women I meet that I have a dog, I would hear MJ tell women he has a Zoo! How do you top someone that has a Zoo?"

If you watch videos of Michael these traits clearly come through, including asking his people to get a womans number and telling a woman (possibly she didn't hear but the mic clearly did) he will give her "more than a hug"

ALiasEX

It's despicable all the charitable things he did and most probably don't know about. Here is a long list http://www.truemichaeljackson.com/charity/ and he did even more than that according to people who knew him.

Galwayguy35

Why did he give the boy in the first case $20 million to never speak about what happened if he was innocent of all charges?

I would have thought most people would fight tooth and nail to prove their innocence.

cml387

In fairness, buying up Northern Songs (beatles back catalogue) was a shrewd move.

ALiasEX

What would you have done if your people said it could go on for ages and couldn't guarantee the outcome (it was a civil trial so beyond reasonable doubt was not necessary) and people were coming forward with stories for a payout (according to mj). It could be causing you mental issues and at the time settling and getting on with your career might look like the better gamble than having these stories continue to be printed for even longer and even losing the case. (which would have affected his career more?)

Galwayguy35

ALiasEX wrote: »

What would you have done if your people said it could go on for ages and couldn't guarantee the outcome (it was a civil trial so beyond reasonable doubt was not necessary) and people were coming forward with stories for a payout (according to mj). It could be causing you mental issues and at the time settling and getting on with your career might look like the better gamble than having these stories continue to be printed for even longer and even losing the case. (which would have affected his career more?)

Don't know if this was directed at me or not but I'll give my own view anyway.

To be accused of being a nonce would be the worst thing I could imagine happening to me and I certainly wouldn't be paying someone off to shut them up if my conscience was clear.

But realistically we will never know as Jackson is dead and the kid involved won't ever speak of it after 20 years.

ALiasEX

Some actually believe that his insurance settled without his permission. (I have never looked into why they believe that)

You can hear what he has to say about settling at 0:50 (the start and some of P1 relates to the case too)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L33VBSPsUE

Tasden

Its sickening how his family have pushed his kids into the limelight since he died. He did everything in his power, even when the media ridiculed him for it, to keep their faces out of the papers and stuff by making them wear masks so that when they were with minders without him they could have a normal life. I know they would've eventually been recognised and whatnot but the family instantly shoved them in front of cameras the minute he died. He seemed like a great dad regardless of how troubled he was. (Putting aside the balcony incident :pac: )

Lou.m

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I was never a fan of his so don't know too much about him but he seems like an enigma.

Was his home built Funderland there to attract kids to him and feed his dark side or was he fulfilling the childhood he lost by building it, why did he buy the Beatles back catalogue, why are there conspiracies about him now???

Reading YouTube comments under his videos is a complete mind****.

I read some of the FBI files on him.

In them were some letters of correspondence between himself and a member of the Jehovah's witnesses.

I think he got involved with a few of them.

They were quite odd.

It seemed to me he was a magnet for every sleazy cult money sucker out there. And they ****ed with his sense of realty.

It is a mixture of having extreme privilege and no privilege at the same time.

He was subjected to a lot of abuse from his dad growing up.

There is no doubt he grew up into a very dysfunctional adult who may have abused children.

Jackson's music and videos, such as Thriller, fostered racial diversity in MTV's roster.

Artists such as him helped open up the industry for visible minorities.

It is absolutely silly to think we can know whether he was or was not an abuser now.

Jimmy Saville was also a big charity donator. It does not make you a good person.

It is unfair to suggest we can know if MJ was good or bad.

GalwayGuy2

Didn't they find child porn on his computer?

ALiasEX

They found books/a book, that happened to have pictures of naked children, in his room (I don't know what the book was about). He didn't know what book they were talking about and suggested it was one of the many things fans sent.

ALiasEX

Lou.m wrote: »

I read some of the FBI files on him.

In them were some letters of correspondence between himself and a member of the Jehovah's witnesses.

I think he got involved with a few of them.

They were quite odd.

His mother was/is a Jehovah's Witness and for a while he did gravitate towards it.

Lou.m wrote: »

Jimmy Saville was also a big charity donator. It does not make you a good person.

The sad part is the media tend to completely ignore that and other sides of MJ.

weldoninhio

Tasden wrote: »

Its sickening how his family have pushed his kids into the limelight since he died. He did everything in his power, even when the media ridiculed him for it, to keep their faces out of the papers and stuff by making them wear masks so that when they were with minders without him they could have a normal life. I know they would've eventually been recognised and whatnot but the family instantly shoved them in front of cameras the minute he died. He seemed like a great dad regardless of how troubled he was. (Putting aside the balcony incident :pac: )

I don't think he's really the kids dad. He just paid others for the kids.

The Black Oil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwySzkpyMfI

My main man...:cool:

ALiasEX

weldoninhio wrote: »

I don't think he's really the kids dad. He just paid others for the kids.

That doesn't make them not his kids.

Another thing we will never know. But don't forget he had white blood and genetics don't always work the way people seem to expect. Just ask the Roma gypsies.

ALiasEX

weldoninhio wrote: »

I don't think he's really the kids dad. He just paid others for the kids.

That doesn't make them not his kids.

Another thing we will never know. But don't forget he had white blood and genetics don't always work the way people seem to expect. Just ask the Roma gypsies.

Galwayguy35

ALiasEX wrote: »

They found books/a book, that happened to have pictures of naked children, in his room (I don't know what the book was about). He didn't know what book they were talking about and suggested it was one of the many things fans sent.

I didn't know this, it just puts more suspicion on him IMO.

Pics of naked kids in a book, sleeping with kids in his bed, none of these things are normal for an adult man.

GerB40

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I didn't know this, it just puts more suspicion on him IMO.

Pics of naked kids in a book, sleeping with kids in his bed, none of these things are normal for an adult man.

He wasn't normal though, that's the point. Most non-celebrity adults he knew were only there to take advantage of his wealth. His whole perspective on life was skewed because of those who leeched off him so he didn't know normality. Then again if he really had a book with naked kids in it then perhaps he was too irresponsible to be "friends" with them... Unfortunately we may never know the real MJ.

chakademus

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/archive/1994/01/orth199401#

Here is a link to the Vanity Fair articles written by Maureen orth over the years. I have always felt reading these that no child could make up these details.. although I could be wrong of course. The details are very disturbing. The articles are long but if you have the time they are well worth the read.

I love Jackson's music but I have to separate the artist from the man.

CrazyRabbit

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Why did he give the boy in the first case $20 million to never speak about what happened if he was innocent of all charges?

I would have thought most people would fight tooth and nail to prove their innocence.

Child sexual abuse is one of the rare crimes where no actual evidence is required for conviction. It is simply the word of the accused against the word of the alleged victim. Now, in the vast majority of cases, this is fine as children are unlikely to make up such claims.
But, it's very easy to see how greedy low-income parents could coach their child into making false allegations in the hope of a multi-million dollar settlement.

So...if you have $100 million in the bank, and were facing a 10-20 year prison sentence, settling out of court for $20 million would be a bargain....regardless of negative publicity.

Stained Class

Never a fan of his really myself.

However, he had a God-given talent to entertain people & he did it well for a long number of years.

Unfortunately, he was badly served by the people closest to him.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand that is the truth of the matter really.

No big mystery to it really.

BillyMitchel

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Child sexual abuse is one of the rare crimes where no actual evidence is required for conviction. It is simply the word of the accused against the word of the alleged victim. Now, in the vast majority of cases, this is fine as children are unlikely to make up such claims.
But, it's very easy to see how greedy low-income parents could coach their child into making false allegations in the hope of a multi-million dollar settlement.

So...if you have $100 million in the bank, and were facing a 10-20 year prison sentence, settling out of court for $20 million would be a bargain....regardless of negative publicity.

Erm was Kevin Webster found not guilty because lack of evidence? Even the first time he was charged it was dropped because of lack of evidence.

Michael Jakson was an oddball, I don't think that can be disputed but I honestly never believed that he molested kids.

Wild I have letting my son stay with hi though? Not a focking hope.

Fresh Pots

Dr Robotnik wrote: »

He was off the wall.

Not to mention dangerous.

BillyMitchel

TheTechGuy wrote: »

Not to mention dangerous.

Because he's a smooth criminal?

kumate_champ07

he was genuinely gifted(as in 'god like' talents), and an abusive slave driver of a father brought out the best performer in him, but made him into a flawed person.

TrueIt

Was it not his problem with Vitiligo that made him become a recluse?

Nerdlingr

What do you mean what was the story with him?
He was/is the King of Pop. We know this for a fact. There is no-one to compare.