Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

JCX BXC

I just found this old article on the RTE website (Contradictory to one of my remarks) about shannon in 2001.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2001/0104/11344-shannon/

Brennans Row

Independent Shannon Airport to miss out on €11m rents (Irish Independent)

Shannon Airport will not gain access to €11m a year in rents on factories and industrial estates in the midwest, after being made independent of the DAA.
Transport Minister Leo Varadkar has confirmed that there will be no cross-subsidisation between an independent Shannon Airport and the rent roll from Shannon Development's extensive land bank.

In the latest figures available, the Shannon Development land bank provides €11m in annual gross rent receipts.

However, addressing the Dail on the State Airports (Shannon Group) Bill 2014, Mr Varadkar indicated that the airport will not have access to the Shannon Development rental revenues in the newly merged Shannon Group.

He said: "The success of the Shannon Group will be enhanced by ensuring that its two main subsidiaries are each commercially successful in their own right and do not cross-subsidise each other."

Fianna Fail Transport spokesman Timmy Dooley expressed fears over the lack of financial day-to-day support of Shannon Airport as a result of not allowing cross-subsidisation.

Mr Dooley argued that the decision to give Shannon its independence "was based on the Booz Allen report which clearly stated that the viability of an independent Shannon was only possible if there was an association with the lands and activities of Shannon Development, and that an independent airport would not be viable unless there was between three million and five million terminal passengers.

"The minister relied on the Booz Allen Report to allow this to proceed and effectively to make Shannon an independent entity, yet he is now suggesting it is possible for the airport to survive without cross-subsidisation or without the support of access to the activities of Shannon Development," he said.

In response, Mr Varadkar said: "It is important to point out that since Shannon Airport gained independence from the DAA 18 months ago, it has shown that it is able to stand alone."

Since the International Aviation Services Centre is dispersed over the airport and the free zone estates, it was my understanding from the Task Force Final Report, that this activity (income) would be fundamental for Shannon Airport’s future viability?

JCX BXC

Brennans Row wrote: »

Since the International Aviation Services Centre is dispersed over the airport and the free zone estates, it was my understanding from the Task Force Final Report, that this activity (income) would be fundamental for Shannon Airport’s future viability?

Well, at least Knock Airport can't use that against us.

Brennans Row

Pioneering aviators make emergency landing near Lahinch (Clare Herald)

On Tuesday 15th May 1934 taking off from Brooklyn’s Floyd Bennett Field, a J-300 monoplane christened the “Leonardo da Vinci” attempted the first non-stop flight between New York and Rome.

The plane was jointly piloted by Lieutenant Cesare Sabelli and Captain George Pond,a member of the family behind Pond’s Cosmetics.

After 32½ hours flying in adverse weather conditions and with a fuel system problem they were forced down at the first sight of land in Cloneyogan, Moy, Lahinch, County Clare – the first recorded plane crash in Clare. Despite this it was an authentic transatlantic flight, the eighth such in aviation history.

See Clare Herald for more photos and full account of this story. :cool:

Brennans Row

I see Donald Trump's aircraft has just landed at Shannon.

According to this week's Clare Champion he has to provide further information to the County Council regarding the potential impact of the proposed works on the habitat of the Vertigo Angustior Snail.

gctest50

Brennans Row wrote: »

... habitat of the Vertigo Angustior Snail.

Nematodes will get rid of those dodgy sounding yokes and allow progress

http://www.slugoff.co.uk/killing-slugs/nematodes

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Emergency plan at Shannon but plane goes to London (Clare Herald)

Emergency services were out on standby at Shannon Airport on Saturday for a jet that declared a Mayday over the Atlantic.

British Airways flight BAW-209 was en route from London to Miami in Florida with 281 passengers and crew on board.

The Boeing 747-400 jet had left Heathrow Airport at 2.20pm and was almost three hours into its flight when the crew issued a Mayday distress call.

The pilot initially reported smoke in the cabin area but later told controllers that there was also smoke and fumes in the cockpit.

The crew had been in contact air traffic controllers at the Irish Aviations Authority’s North Atlantic Communications Service radio station at Ballygirreen in Co. Clare.

The pilot had declared his intention to divert and land at Shannon where the airports emergency plan was put into action. British Airways’ website also confirmed that the flight would be diverting to Shannon.

At around 5.30pm, units of the fire brigade from Shannon and Ennis, along with ambulances from Ennis and Limerick City, were sent to the airport over an hour ahead of the flights expected arrival.

Shortly after 6.30pm, services at Shannon were stood down and personnel told the plane was instead diverting to Dublin. The flight continued instead, overflying Ireland, and back to Heathrow Airport.

The jet landed safely in London but was grounded while engineers investigated the issue. Passengers were accommodated in hotels overnight.

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I can imagine the emergency services very unhappy with the pilot's decision to overfly Shannon after his mayday request to divert there.

Is this acceptable?

Jamie2k9

I would expect BA will have to foot the bill at SNN regardless,

Mr. G

Brennans Row wrote: »

Emergency plan at Shannon but plane goes to London (Clare Herald)

Emergency services were out on standby at Shannon Airport on Saturday for a jet that declared a Mayday over the Atlantic.

British Airways flight BAW-209 was en route from London to Miami in Florida with 281 passengers and crew on board.

The Boeing 747-400 jet had left Heathrow Airport at 2.20pm and was almost three hours into its flight when the crew issued a Mayday distress call.

The pilot initially reported smoke in the cabin area but later told controllers that there was also smoke and fumes in the cockpit.

The crew had been in contact air traffic controllers at the Irish Aviations Authority’s North Atlantic Communications Service radio station at Ballygirreen in Co. Clare.

The pilot had declared his intention to divert and land at Shannon where the airports emergency plan was put into action. British Airways’ website also confirmed that the flight would be diverting to Shannon.

At around 5.30pm, units of the fire brigade from Shannon and Ennis, along with ambulances from Ennis and Limerick City, were sent to the airport over an hour ahead of the flights expected arrival.

Shortly after 6.30pm, services at Shannon were stood down and personnel told the plane was instead diverting to Dublin. The flight continued instead, overflying Ireland, and back to Heathrow Airport.

The jet landed safely in London but was grounded while engineers investigated the issue. Passengers were accommodated in hotels overnight.

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I can imagine the emergency services very unhappy with the pilot's decision to overfly Shannon after his mayday request to divert there.

Is this acceptable?

In terms of safety why did they not land in Shannon? Surely it was the thing to do and safety comes first.

BA should have landed in Shannon because it could have caused a collision or risk should another plane come in another direction.

Jhcx

Mr. G wrote: »

In terms of safety why did they not land in Shannon? Surely it was the thing to do and safety comes first.

BA should have landed in Shannon because it could have caused a collision or risk should another plane come in another direction.

Not just that but if there was smoke onboard you would drop as soon as possible not plan to go snn dub lhr. If there was any fatalities onboard huge questions would be asked.

georgem25

In response to requests from people asking how they can get involved in supporting Shannon Airport, we are facilitating a meeting at the Airport on Wednesday the 16th of July at 5.30pm for people who might be interested in becoming part of a new independent voluntary support group for the Airport.
Friends of Liverpool Airport (FoLA), a well-established organisation which has provided invaluable assistance in the promotion of Liverpool’s John Lennon Airport, will be at the event to offer advice and share their experiences in establishing an Airport support group.
Neil Pakey, CEO of Shannon Airport will chair the meeting and FoLA members will be available to answer questions on how their organisation operates and how a similar Shannon organisation could be structured. FoLA was established by a small group of enthusiasts and people with a genuine interest in the well-being of Liverpool Airport and since then it has grown beyond their expectations. Their membership consists of people who want to be informed about the Airport, people who volunteer their spare time to help with specific airport needs such as tourist promotion and school tours.
We would welcome closer community involvement and as such we would love to see people who have an interest in seeing the Airport flourish coming along to this event.
Depending on the time you have to spare please consider joining as a volunteer support member, or a committee member.
Advance registration for the event is recommended. To book your place visit https://www.eventbrite.ie/e/friends-of-shannon-airport-tickets-12088022601 or Tel: 061-712000.
Free airport car parking is available for all who register for the event.

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/about-us/FriendsofShannonAirport.aspx?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Friends+of+Shannon+Airport+and+Foynes&utm_content=Friends+of+Shannon+Airport+and+Foynes+CID_d254a6652254d3930bdc6ea9c2d7f618&utm_source=CreateSendie&utm_term=read%20more

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Stop State subsidies to regional airports, says tourism expert (Irish Times)

Jim Deegan says Donegal, Kerry, Knock and Waterford have ‘unfair advantage’

The Government should stop subsidising loss-making regional airports as it gives them an unfair advantage over the State-owned Cork, Dublin and Shannon gateways, according to the head of the National Centre for Tourism Policy Studies.

Last year the four regional airports – Donegal, Kerry, Knock and Waterford – received almost €5.7 million in State subsidies. More than €2.2 million was to cover losses at Kerry, Knock and Waterford, while €3.455 million was for capital spending.

University of Limerick economist and director of the National Centre for Tourism Policy Studies Jim Deegan argues that improvements in the Republic’s road network have removed the justification for continuing to do this.

“We are subsidising far too many airports,” he said at the weekend.

Low-cost airlines
Mr Deegan said low-cost airlines operated on the basis of large numbers of people travelling. Subsidising regional airports discouraged this.

In a paper prepared for the Shannon Airport Marketing Consultative Committee, Mr Deegan says the subsidies received by regional airports may exacerbate their inefficiencies. He adds that the capital and operating cost grants received by these businesses confer “an unfair advantage on them relative to Shannon, Cork and Dublin airports”.

The draft aviation policy document published this month by the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Leo Varadkar, says Exchequer support for regional airports will be phased out over an extended period, in line with EU guidelines.

Capital grants
It also says future capital grants will be limited to safety- and security-related spending while clear business plans will be required from the airports, which will have to provide at least 25 per cent of total costs from their own resources or from fresh investment.

Mr Deegan’s paper says that Shannon should be designated as the airport for the Wild Atlantic Way, the Government initiative aimed at boosting the number of visitors to the west coast.

He also says it should be the first airport in the Republic to get fifth freedom rights, which allow airlines to carry passengers between foreign countries.

He warns that the airport should not depend too heavily on domestic business.

Jim Deegan won’t be making many friends outside of the three state-owned airports! :rolleyes:

Can the province of Munster sustain 4 airports?

Masala

Well Well......Another 'gives us everything' argument for Shannon. Not happy with getting Debts written off, €11m free money from Shannon Development and a host of other 'cosy' arrangements......he now wants the Regional monies. Oh yeah.. and ownership of the Wild Atlantic Way!!!

Big difference between €12m between 4 airports and €11 for SNN themselves.

Maybe he should convince Shannon to change tack and declare themselves a Regional Airport.....then they can partake in the bounties being bestowed on the Regionals.

Masala

National Centre for Tourism Policy Studies.

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National Centre for Tourism Policy Studies

Masala wrote: »

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See Kemmy Business School at University of Limerick.

highlydebased

Shannon-Rome has also appeared on Ryanair booking engine

Brennans Row

Trump Targets Irish Open For Doonbeg (Clare FM)

One of Ireland's premier sporting events, The Irish Open, could come to Donald Trump's West Clare course.

Officials from Trump International Golf Links Ireland, formerly the five-star Doonbeg Lodge and Golf Resort, held talks with representatives of the European Tour and Fáilte ireland during the recent staging of the event at Fota Island in Cork.

Trump, along with members of his family, was in Doonbeg this weekend where the potential staging of the event was on the agenda.

Extensive works are to be carried out on the course, and 2018 has been identified as a possible date for the event which General Manager Joe Russell says is a "definite possibility.”

That would be a great boost to get American golf tourists to visit here if Trump got a chance to host the Irish Open.

Jamie2k9

highlydebased wrote: »

Shannon-Rome has also appeared on Ryanair booking engine

All the random routes are for the RBS 6 Nations.

Brennans Row

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

All the random routes are for the RBS 6 Nations.

Are you saying that Ryanair might randomly accommodate flights from Shannon for rugby matches next year?

Ireland’s Six Nations away games are

Rome 7th February
Cardiff 14th March
Edinburgh 21st March

There are also World Cup games against Italy, France, Canada and Romania in September / October.

Vanhalla

any chance of ever having a shannon - glasgow route?

Brennans Row

Foynes / Shannon 75th Anniversary Airshow

I see some Dublin enthusiasts are organising a trip to Foynes.



All in all, I get the impression that the airshow is being promoted as a low key event?

JCX BXC

Vanhalla wrote: »

any chance of ever having a shannon - glasgow route?

Flybe had a summer one last year, it never continued this year.

Edinburgh isn't too far from glasgow. Aer Lingus (Regional) fly there.

JCX BXC

Brennans Row wrote: »

Rome 7th February
Edinburgh 21th March

-€220 Return (Available to book at the moment)

Shannon-Edinbrugh 20th-22nd march with Aer Lingus is €260.


Whats up with the Bristol route shown on the route list? (Only viewable in the section with the prices shown)

Claregirl

Carnacalla wrote: »

Flybe had a summer one last year, it never continued this year.

Edinburgh isn't too far from glasgow. Aer Lingus (Regional) fly there.

There is a direct bus link from right outside Edinburgh Airport that leaves every 30 minutes and gets you to Glasgow city centre in approximately 1 hour.

Still getting gouged on the Aer Lingus fare though - much more expensive than Ryan Air.

I think the Flybe flight was running from May 13 to Jan 14 and was doing well but was cut along with a number of other flights by Flybe due to their financial difficulties (as I understand they were consolidating their flights in the UK and a number of Scottish routes were cut). There seems to be a large amount of Irish in Glasgow both studying and working you'd have thought there would be good demand for flights.

JCX BXC

Claregirl wrote: »

There is a direct bus link from right outside Edinburgh Airport that leaves every 30 minutes and gets you to Glasgow city centre in approximately 1 hour.

Still getting gouged on the Aer Lingus fare though - much more expensive than Ryan Air.

At least you have the pleasure of No trumpet and a plane that has no middle seat. (Although the higher price, louder noise and slower speeds)

Brennans Row

Record Month for Aer Lingus Regional (Stobart Air)

Just revisiting this again as Aer Lingus Regional have since posted this article on their website too.

UK connecting to transatlantic flights . . . . . Boston and New York bound passengers from Birmingham and Manchester via Shannon Airport has proven to be very popular.

No exact figures but a positive development nevertheless.

Routes from Shannon Airport also saw a significant growth with a 15% increase in May compared to the same month last year.

I still can't figure out the statistic discrepancy between +15% and +43.4% for May.

See previous post.

Vanhalla

Vanhalla wrote: »

any chance of ever having a shannon - glasgow route?

Ryanair does that route from Knock now instead, 3 times a week. €21 for the flight on Friday- Glasglow or €16 next week. Once you arrive in Glasglow there is a free train journey to anywhere in Scotland, great if your doing a trip.

Alot of this area and further North have family or work there or go to Uni there so Scotland routes always did well.

Flybe did the Edinburgh route from Knock, they are a disaster. There planes are made for midgets without luggage

There is also a private plane that brings lads to the rigs every week, if you ever have to go over in a hurry you might get a seat. It probably goes to Aberdeen.

highlydebased

Deleted User wrote: »

Ryanair does that route from Knock now instead,n.

Instead? Not really an alternative for someone wanting to use Shannon!

JCX BXC

highlydebased wrote: »

Instead? Not really an alternative for someone wanting to use Shannon!

Don't worry, it will be operated from either Kerry or Shannon soon.

gctest50

Carnacalla wrote: »

At least you have the pleasure of No trumpet and a plane that has no middle seat. (Although the higher price, louder noise and slower speeds)

EI/SNN bit like this then ? :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLYpKGVBUg