Rust on car

Brian2011

Hi,

I have some rust on the wing of my car on the lower wing just over the wheel. I just put it through the NCT 3 weeks ago and it passed so they either didn't notice it bubbling or it was in a passable state.

I had this repaired by mechanic about a year and a half ago, but have noticed today that the paint is starting to bubble pretty badly again and some rust is visible, a small amount not that much.

How long can I leave this before needing to do it again? I am thinking I will get away with until the next NCT next year but I don't know.

Also will this constantly have to be done every once in a while, is there a more permanent fix?.

Bigus

What age and type of car is it ?

toastedpickles

Whats the make of the car? usually you can repair it but cutting the area around it out and sticking in a new piece, it depends how far gone the rust is really

Brian2011

Bigus wrote: »

What age and type of car is it ?

03 Fiesta

Brian2011

toastedpickles wrote: »

Whats the make of the car? usually you can repair it but cutting the area around it out and sticking in a new piece, it depends how far gone the rust is really

very little rust showing at the moment but paint starting to bubble up as already mentioned.

biko

Brian2011 wrote: »

How long can I leave this before needing to do it again?

Five hundred twenty-five thousand six hundred minutes

Tbh, get it looked at pronto before it spreads.

JohnBoy26

Brian2011 wrote: »

very little rust showing at the moment but paint starting to bubble up as already mentioned.

One of the front wings is it?

Brian2011

biko wrote: »

Five hundred twenty-five thousand six hundred minutes

Tbh, get it looked at pronto before it spreads.

Ok, will get it done within the next month, Thanks.

Will this job only take a few hours for Mechanic to do?.

I know he has to strip it, then apply the filler and allow to dry and then paint and repaint.

so can it all be done in a few hours / a day?

Brian2011

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

One of the front wings is it?

Man, I ain't no mechanic and know nothing about cars.

JohnBoy26

Brian2011 wrote: »

Man, I ain't no mechanic and know nothing about cars.

You don't have to be do you know if the rust is above one of the rear wheels or one of the front wheels?

Brian2011

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

You don't have to be do you know if the rust is above one of the rear wheels or one of the front wheels?

front passenger side.

fluff_daddy

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

One of the front wings is it?

Brian2011 wrote: »

Man, I ain't no mechanic and know nothing about cars.

Haha. I know what a wing is. Might open up a garage

JohnBoy26

Brian2011 wrote: »

front passenger side.

In that case I'd be getting a second hand rust frer wing in a breakers. Those wings are replaceable and can be got cheaply enough, so I wouldn't be too worried about the rust on your wing.

If your lucky enough you might be able to source a wing with the same colour as your car. That would save you the cost of repainting. Even if you can't get one in the same colour I'd still be getting one and getting it repainted.

The reason I say replace rather than repair is because it will be a much longer lasting job. It is highly likely that your rusty wing will be rusty again in a short space of time because it's impossible to irradicate every spec of rust. On a replacement rust free wing you won't have this issue.

Provided your car is the same model as the one below, you should have no trouble picking up a rust free wing as this model wasn't really prone to rust.

Brian2011

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

In that case I'd be getting a second hand rust frer wing in a breakers. Those wings are replaceable and can be got cheaply enough, so I wouldn't be too worried about the rust on your wing.

If your lucky enough you might be able to source a wing with the same colour as your car. That would save you the cost of repainting. Even if you can't get one in the same colour I'd still be getting one and getting it repainted.

The reason I say replace rather than repair is because it will be a much longer lasting job. It is highly likely that your rusty wing will be rusty again in a short space of time because it's impossible to irradicate every spec of rust. On a replacement rust free wing you won't have this issue.

Provided your car is the same model as the one below, you should have no trouble picking up a rust free wing as this model wasn't really prone to rust.

Thanks for advice but sounds like a whole load of hassle and costly, would prefer to just keep fixing it every year and then when I decide to sell it on it will then be the new owners problem. I will have it fixed up before again before sale of course and no need to mention it.

sawdoubters

rust spreads like wildfire

http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Rust-from-a-Car

JohnBoy26

Brian2011 wrote: »

Thanks for advice but sounds like a whole load of hassle and costly, would prefer to just keep fixing it every year and then when I decide to sell it on it will then be the new owners problem. I will have it fixed up before again before sale of course and no need to mention it.

You should have no issue picking up a wing though. It would make more economical sense to replace once and be done with it rather than having to get it repaired every year or so. Your decision though of course

Brian2011

sawdoubters wrote: »

rust spreads like wildfire

http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Rust-from-a-Car

Yes I am going to get it repaired soon but I am not going to replace the wing as suggested by other poster, Thanks

JohnBoy26

sawdoubters wrote: »

rust spreads like wildfire

http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Rust-from-a-Car

The worst that will happen is the rust will spread on the wing. The rust on the wing won't effect other parts of the car.

Brian2011

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

You should have no issue picking up a wing though. It would make more economical sense to replace once and be done with it rather than having to get it repaired every year or so. Your decision though of course

Well I only plan to have the car for maybe 2 or 3 years more so I will repair it now at cost of about €50 I would think (I will supply garage with paint) and before I sell it so another €50 equals €100

A wing from breakers maybe €50 plus cost of painting it and fitting it another €100 I would reckon.

JohnBoy26

Brian2011 wrote: »

Well I only plan to have the car for maybe 2 or 3 years more so I will repair it now at cost of about €50 I would think (I will supply garage with paint) and before I sell it so another €50 equals €100

A wing from breakers maybe €50 plus cost of painting it and fitting it another €100 I would reckon.

You won't get a wing painted for €50, not properly anyway.

hi_im_fil

It should be way cheaper to source a wing from a breakers and get it fitted.

Brian2011

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

You won't get a wing painted for €50, not properly anyway.

The repair area is relatively small, around 7 inches long, 2-3 inches wide.

Brian2011

hi_im_fil wrote: »

It should be way cheaper to source a wing from a breakers and get it fitted.

painting it the same colour is the most expensive part which u forgot, labour time and paint cost.

Superdedupity

Buy a wing from a breakers in the same colour with a factory finish. Cheapest best way to fix (johnboys giving you good advice)

JohnBoy26

Brian2011 wrote: »

The repair area is relatively small, around 7 inches long, 2-3 inches wide.

the whole wing will have to be sprayed though and blended in to the rest of the paintwork. Spraying just the effected area will leave the paint work mismatched and the repaired area very obvious and rough looking.

Yawns

Ugh seriously. It will be far far far cheaper to do as John suggests and get a replacement from the breakers. This talk of paying only €50 once a year to treat it is out the window fairy talk. That's the nicest way of putting it. Listen to John, he's helping you save money.

Brian2011

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

the whole wing will have to be sprayed though and blended in to the rest of the paintwork. Spraying just the effected area will leave the paint work mismatched and the repaired area very obvious and rough looking.

How much are we talking so if we go this route and assuming I cannot source a wing the same colour from my local breakers, which is highly likely that they won't have the same colour car. I might take a pic tomorrow and send it to you if that's ok?

Thanks very much for your advice sir.

hi_im_fil

To spray a wing (properly) you're talking €200 upwards. To get someone to fix rust and spray a wing its going to be more. To get someone to fit a wing (if you find one in the correct colour) I'd say roughly €50.

Brian2011

hi_im_fil wrote: »

To spray a wing (properly) you're talking €200 upwards. To get someone to fix rust and spray a wing its going to be more. To get someone to fit a wing (if you find one in the correct colour) I'd say roughly €50.

Thats an awful lot

JohnBoy26

Brian2011 wrote: »

How much are we talking so if we go this route and assuming I cannot source a wing the same colour from my local breakers, which is highly likely that they won't have the same colour car. I might take a pic tomorrow and send it to you if that's ok?
Thanks very much for your advice sir.

Well it all depends on weather your able to source a wing in the same colour or if you will have to go down the repainting route. The former will cost a good bit less so id be going down that route first.

prices vary on the repainting route and is usually dependent on the quality of the job carried out. Im not a panel beater or painter myself so I can't give an exact figure but it would be up around the €200 mark for a good job afaik.

Your best bet would be to post a pic on here of the wing. That way other posters might be able to give some advice as well.

From your description of the wing I have no doubt that it can be repaired and any body shop will probably tell you the same but my point is for a little extra(circa €50 price of s/h wing) you could have a superior job.

Remember if they have to repair your old wing they will have to fill and sand the effected area and repaint the wing anyway so it won't be any more cost effective than fitting a s/h rust free wing.

Superdedupity

Partfinder.ie to find a wing

Brian2011

Superdedupity wrote: »

Partfinder.ie to find a wing

Thanks, tried that, can't find same colour, I found one similar but just not the exact same colour so no good.

Superdedupity

Traynors?

challengemaster

Brian2011 wrote: »

I had this repaired by mechanic about a year and a half ago, but have noticed today that the paint is starting to bubble pretty badly again and some rust is visible, a small amount not that much.

Also will this constantly have to be done every once in a while, is there a more permanent fix?.

Unless the mechanic got a bodyshop to cut out a sizeable chunk of metal, welded in a replacement piece of metal and to spray the entire wing (costing you a hell of a lot more than what you paid him to fix it) - he didn't fix it. He just made it look pretty for a while. Not sure I'd be using that mechanic for anything else if that's his idea of fixed, though.

The permanent fix, as you've already been told - replace the wing, and then properly seal the inside of the wing with waxoyl. You can keep sanding it back and spraying it, it'll keep happening. Once rust is in the metal, it requires cutting out it and some surrounding area and replacing (welding in new metal). It's much easier and cheaper to get a replacement wing in good condition.

JohnBoy26

challengemaster wrote: »

Unless the mechanic got a bodyshop to cut out a sizeable chunk of metal, welded in a replacement piece of metal and to spray the entire wing (costing you a hell of a lot more than what you paid him to fix it) - he didn't fix it. He just made it look pretty for a while. Not sure I'd be using that mechanic for anything else if that's his idea of fixed, though.

The permanent fix, as you've already been told - replace the wing, and then properly seal the inside of the wing with waxoyl. You can keep sanding it back and spraying it, it'll keep happening. Once rust is in the metal, it requires cutting out it and some surrounding area and replacing (welding in new metal). It's much easier and cheaper to get a replacement wing in good condition.

Agree on the permanent fix but the mechanic part of your post is a bit ott Imo.

From reading op's posts it seems they just want a cheap job done on the wing and it seems they wanted and got that too before.

It's not really the job of a mechanic to be repainting wings. IMHO I think the op probably just wanted to make the wing nct passable and I think that's the work the mechanic carried out.

I sincerely doubt it was his idea of fixed and I certainly wouldn't judge or stop using a mechanic, if I requested and got a cheap touch up done by them.

Brian2011

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Agree on the permanent fix but the mechanic part of your post is a bit ott Imo.

From reading op's posts it seems they just want a cheap job done on the wing and it seems they wanted and got that too before.

It's not really the job of a mechanic to be repainting wings. IMHO I think the op probably just wanted to make the wing nct passable and I think that's the work the mechanic carried out.

I sincerely doubt it was his idea of fixed and I certainly wouldn't judge or stop using a mechanic, if I requested and got a cheap touch up done by them.

Hi,

I called into a local mechanic today and yes the wing will have to be replaced.

There is no point stripping and repairing, he said as will have to be done again and again.

I can't get wing in the same colour from scrapyard so it will have to be painted.

He also told me that he can't do it in this current weather and to wait until we get a few dry good days in the spring or summer.

Is this true that it can't be done now? What if they keep it indoors, can it be painted then? and how long roughly would the job take? Thanks

biko

He probably can't do it inside (no spray room). Check with other shops in the area for sourcing, replacement and spray.

challengemaster

Stop going to a mechanic for bodyshop work.

You wouldn't ask a plumber to wire your house.

Brian2011

Does anyone know of a bodywork place, (not any main dealers), in Tralee Kerry?

Brian2011

challengemaster wrote: »

Stop going to a mechanic for bodyshop work.

You wouldn't ask a plumber to wire your house.

Well, he has a foreign guy with him that is able to do bodyshop work, but was told to wait until good weather.

davycc

Brian2011 wrote: »

Well, he has a foreign guy with him that is able to do bodyshop work, but was told to wait until good weather.

Brian if I were you I would use this delay as a great chance to wait and find a 2nd hand wing from a breakers yard as one in the right colour will definitly turn up eventually even if you end up waiting a few weeks or even months its better money wise than wasting 200+$ every year getting the original rusty wing bodged and filled.

your better off ignoring that rusty wing for now and keep the cash in your pocket..some friendly advise here. one will turn up in the right colour for 50e and its only held on by a few bolts not a big job at all and wont require any waiting for good weather either.handy DIY job if you have access to a basic socket set;)

BTW What colour code is your car? Ill make some enquiries try get you sorted:cool:

Brian2011

davycc wrote: »

Brian if I were you I would use this delay as a great chance to wait and find a 2nd hand wing from a breakers yard as one in the right colour will definitly turn up eventually even if you end up waiting a few weeks or even months its better money wise than wasting 200+$ every year getting the original rusty wing bodged and filled.

your better off ignoring that rusty wing for now and keep the cash in your pocket..some friendly advise here. one will turn up in the right colour for 50e and its only held on by a few bolts not a big job at all and wont require any waiting for good weather either.handy DIY job if you have access to a basic socket set;)

BTW What colour code is your car? Ill make some enquiries try get you sorted:cool:

Thanks mate, but my colour is not very popular. The colour code is K2 which is Colorado Red.

I was going to get one from scrapyard and get it painted if right colour can't be sourced.

shanec1928

Brian2011 wrote: »

Thanks mate, but my colour is not very popular. The colour code is K2 which is Colorado Red.

I was going to get one from scrapyard and get it painted if right colour can't be sourced.

http://www.partfinder.ie put your details in so it will be.. ford.. fiesta.. 2003..body parts front.. then L wing.. and look at the results here are a few there ring each one and ask is it the exact colour.

Brian2011

shanec1928 wrote: »

http://www.partfinder.ie put your details in so it will be.. ford.. fiesta.. 2003..body parts front.. then L wing.. and look at the results here are a few there ring each one and ask is it the exact colour.

I found the part in what I am pretty sure is correct colour I am looking for in link below:

http://www.findapart.ie/see_all_parts.php?car_id=8366

Only thing this car might not still be there as car has been online a long time but I have sent them an email requesting them to check colour code, condition, price and if they can send it by courier and how much?, If they still have it of course.

I can't really see them getting back to me though but hopefully they will.

davycc

yea many of these shops will be too busy to reply to emails every day but they cant ignore the phone calls and at least you can rule them in or out with a 1min phone call..


Ill ring traynors armagh and summerhill spares dublin on monday try get ya a wing in the right colour..they usually have just about every part going

Brian2011

davycc wrote: »

yea many of these shops will be too busy to reply to emails every day but they cant ignore the phone calls and at least you can rule them in or out with a 1min phone call..


Ill ring traynors armagh and summerhill spares dublin on monday try get ya a wing in the right colour..they usually have just about every part going

Thanks very much, Appreciated.

davycc

I rang Summerhill spares and no answer which is odd for them usually man the phones constantly.

Traynors got back to me there "hi, no red wing in stock, silver only, £20, thanks john."

Brian2011

davycc wrote: »

I rang Summerhill spares and no answer which is odd for them usually man the phones constantly.

Traynors got back to me there "hi, no red wing in stock, silver only, £20, thanks john."

Thanks for that.

I actually emailed both of them and they got back to me but they don't have Colorado red in stock so it's not looking optimistic.

Anyone else know of any large scrapyards in Ireland?

Superdedupity

Molloys in ballyedmond, nr enniscorthy (good place)

Felix Byrne, Gorey

are my favourites

Many breakers seem to be slow to update, so it really is worth making some calls, don't always believe Partfinder

Brian2011

Superdedupity wrote: »

Molloys in ballyedmond, nr enniscorthy (good place)

Felix Byrne, Gorey

are my favourites

Many breakers seem to be slow to update, so it really is worth making some calls, don't always believe Partfinder

Hi, rang both of them and a few others, no good I'm afraid.

Looks like I will have to get it painted now, but will keep an eye on partfinder in the meantime. I knew it was a slim chance of getting one from the start.

Roughly how much are we talking to get a wing painted? Would it be more than €200. And can it be done in 1 day in a bodywork garage or would it take longer? Thanks

Brian2011

Hi,

What do ye think of this idea (link below) of buying one that will be painted on ebay, I emailed the seller for delivery cost and it works out at €150 delivered.

Seller has 100% positive feedback, my only slight concern is that the paint job would be very slightly off colour from the rest of car, but then again I think I could live with that.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FIESTA-MK6-2001-2008-PAINTED-PASSENGER-N-S-F-NEW-WING-LEFT-HAND-ANY-COLOUR-/121253007706?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123

Opinions, Thanks