What is the best barrel size for cz 455 .17

nedcbr6

Hi there need some help going to get he cz 455 .17 but was what size barrel I wanted for it 16 or 20 inch?? Mostly targat practice bunny and the odd fox if it my way ???? Cheerz for the help

fiestaman

nedcbr6 wrote: »

Hi there need some help going to get he cz 455 .17 but was what size barrel I wanted for it 16 or 20 inch?? Mostly targat practice bunny and the odd fox if it my way ???? Cheerz for the help

I was in same situtation last year, theres supposed to be a slight advantage to accuracy with the long barrel. I ended up with the long barrrel , its slightly heavier but dosent bother me. unless your shooting for ireland id say you would find noting between them in accuarcy, ive shot grey crows out to 130ish with no hold over. just aim and bang, job done. Great gun and unreal accuracy.

garv123

Get the 16 inch, 20" with a mod will be fairly long with a mod on it.

There'll be no noticeable difference in accuracy.

fiestaman

garv123 wrote: »

Get the 16 inch, 20" with a mod will be fairly long with a mod on it.

There'll be no noticeable difference in accuracy.

Agree, shorter will be handier for movement and handling.

ormondprop

I have an awful urge to trade my .22 for either a .17 cz or a ruger 10/22 to customise but i know i'd forever be changing the ruger as there are so many parts available and i know i'd break myself buying stuff for it so i think i'll save that for another time when i have more money, i've handled both length cz's and personally prefer the 16", i love the thumbhole stock but would prefer a sporter barrel profile, i don't see the point in a heavy barrel for a rimfire hunting rifle as its never really going to heat up, unless your firing a lot in a short space of time its no real advantage and i doubt the little .17 heats up too much anyway, i've seen a cz american with a 16" sporter weight barrel and i reckon thats what i'd go for and then get a boyds thumbhole stock for it down the road, would make a smashing little rifle for bunnies

Accuracy wise the 16" and 20" should be identical but the 20" should be faster so drop less but from reading a few articles online where they experimented witj cutting the barrels there isn't much of a difference between the speeds so the 20" has very little advantage for the extra weight and change in balance

http://www.bullberry.com/17_HMR_velocities.html

philog

i have a weihrauch hw 60 j in 17 hmr ..it has a 14 inch barrell ...it is a very very accurate rifle ..

nedcbr6

Cheerz on Ur reply big help
Have u got a moderator on the the cz
Just seeing what the extra wght is like with it ??
Cheerz

sniperman

have a cz thumbhole 16" heavy barrel,with wildcat whisper,love the gun,deadly accurate,hawke 6-24x50 on top;)

Cass

nedcbr6 wrote: »

Have u got a moderator on the the cz

Whether it's a SAK, LEI, Parker/Hale, it would only weigh grams (exaggeraion, but they are light). So no worry about mod weight causing issues.

dodderangler

Is there much point in a moderator on a .17
Quite loud as they are anyway.
I've only shot two of .17 and both had mods and were real loud.

Cass

Yes.

A mod makes a noticeable difference to the sound and depending on mod can be reduced quite a good bit. A mate off mine has an AR mod on his and the differnce is unreal. He used it as it was a 1/2" thread and as an AR mod it is not as big as the T4 or T8 so weight is not an issue. However the mod is rated for .223 so really does the job.


The SAK makes a good bit of a difference. I fired mine with and without and the difference is very noticeable. However as the bullet is supersonic there will always be a crack, but not at the shooter's position.

nedcbr6

Ur mate AR mod how much and where did he get it sound like a good mod
Cheerz for all Ur help

A mod makes a noticeable difference to the sound and depending on mod can be reduced quite a good bit. A mate off mine has an AR mod on his and the differnce is unreal. He used it as it was a 1/2" thread and as an AR mod it is not as big as the T4 or T8 so weight is not an issue. However the mod is rated for .223 so really does the job.


The SAK makes a good bit of a difference. I fired mine with and without and the difference is very noticeable. However as the bullet is supersonic there will always be a crack, but not at the shooter's position.

Cass

Haven't a clue bud.

Asked would he sell it butt he was too clever for that. I'll ask him where he got it, and price, etc. Then get back to you.

ruger1894c

Cass wrote: »

Haven't a clue bud.

Asked would he sell it butt he was too clever for that. I'll ask him where he got it, and price, etc. Then get back to you.

No cass i wouldnt sell it
Its a t4 ar mod for anything up to .25 cal..
I had it for my 243 and found .17 still starteled cattle with sak on so i tried the t4 on it and it worked a treat..they run around 200 euro or so..
Being honest if i hadnt owned it already i wouldnt spend the money on it..sak is good just my cattle are a bit spooked by the sound of it..

outfoxing

I have the cz 455 .17 American with a 20 inch barrel , I have a sak mod which doesn't effect rifles balance I find it a very accurate rifle, I now use this for foxing with great success, I prefer it to my .223

nedcbr6

Hi again thanks on all you help well need
Have another Q best way to clean my .17 hmr rod and brushes or snake bore ????
Or how do you clean the rifle ???

Cheerz

fiestaman wrote: »

I was in same situtation last year, theres supposed to be a slight advantage to accuracy with the long barrel. I ended up with the long barrrel , its slightly heavier but dosent bother me. unless your shooting for ireland id say you would find noting between them in accuarcy, ive shot grey crows out to 130ish with no hold over. just aim and bang, job done. Great gun and unreal accuracy.

Cass

nedcbr6 wrote: »

....... best way to clean my .17 hmr rod and brushes or snake bore ????

one piece Rod, nylon brush, jag, mop with bore guide

Or how do you clean the rifle ???

I use one of the following products or a combination of them:

1. KG1 - Carbon cleaner
2. KG12 copper cleaner
3. Butch's Bore shine - very heavy duty cleaner.
4. Fores Foam - Excellent cleaner (Mostly what i use)
5. Wipe out - Also excellent but used for heavy cleaning.
6. MPro 7 - Copper cleaner
7. Youngs, Berreta and Brunox oil - to clean out bore

My routine would consist of the following:

1. KG 12/M-Pro7 for regular barrel cleaning. (Butch's Bore shine now and then for heavy cleaning.)
2. Run a KG1 soaked patch through the barrel. This is a carbon remover to get the grime out first.
3. Leave to sit for a few minutes.
4. Run another wet patch with KG 1 through the barrel to moisten the fouling, and remove the first lot of carbon..
5. Run a nylon brush up and down the barrel about a half a dozen times. Clean the brush each time with a spray oil to prevent a build up of gunk on it.
6. Run another KG 1 patch down the barrel to remove fouling while treating the barrel again.
7. Leave to sit for a minute or two.
8. At this stage have about 15 or so oiled patches at the ready.
9. Start running them down the barrel one after the other until they run clean. The patches need to remain wet to prevent dry carbon sticking to the bore.
10. If they come clean before the 15 great. If not use more.
11. When they run clean and wet, then start using the dry patches.
12. Run as many as is needed until there is no more oil on the patches coming out.
13. Now repeat steps 2-12 using the copper solvent instead of the carbon remover. You are looking for wet, and clean patches. If there is any hint of blue or green then there is still copper in the barrel.
14. When you are all done use the mop and run it up and down the barrel again about a dozen times.
15. On the last run leave the mop half protruded from the muzzle. Wipe around the muzzle and clean any fouling on the crown. The mop will prevent anything running back down into the barrel.
16. Remove the bore guide and use a tooth brush, patches and bore brush to clean out the chamber, breach, etc.
17. Wipe down the rod, brushes, jag, and bore guide.
18. If the rifle is being stored away for a few weeks i roll up a soft cloth and place it into the chamber up against the breach and store barrel up.
19. On the off chance that i have somehow missed some residual this will collect it.

Steps 2 - 12 can be used just once for a .17hmr as the copper fouling is not as severe as on other C/F rifles. Personal choice as to how much you clean.

ronn

After how many rounds would you clean your gun?
I use a hoppes cleaning kit but was never sure what to do with the hoppes9 solution that comes with it.?

Witcher

Hoppes #9 is a cleaning solvent.

Cass

ronn wrote: »

After how many rounds would you clean your gun?

Depends on three things:

1. Amount of usage
2. Time between cleanings/usage between cleanings
3. Personal preference

So to break them down:

1. If you fire 10 rounds you don't need a cleaning. If you fire 250 it may need cleaning. IOW the more firings the dirty it gets the more the chances are it needs cleaning.
2. If you fire 10 rounds every day, of every week per month then you need to clean more regularly. If you fire 10 rounds a month then it won't need a clean. Also if you are not going to use the gun for a while i prefer to put it away clean as opposed to letting the fouling sit in it. Hence frequency of use and time between uses.
3. Some clean every "X" amount of rounds. Some clean more often, some less. Others don't clean at all (they are out there) and then the last few don't clean until the gun begins to show signs of loosing accuracy. So it's all down to what you prefer to do.

I use a hoppes cleaning kit but was never sure what to do with the hoppes9 solution that comes with it.?

Depends on what it is. As Blay said it's most likely a standard bore cleaner. Hoppes is the brand and #9 is the well known name of it. Some of their products are all called Hoppes #9, but they have different functions so it's important to read the label and see what it is and understand what it does. Other products are simply called Hoppes and then the name/title of the product which is usually what it does. For example Hoppes Elite bore foam.


The standard cleaner they supply with a kit is the Hoppes #9 bore cleaner. It is a decent cleaner to remove all types of fouling. Other products are more specific. For example KG1 only removes carbon. It will not remove copper. However used in conjunction with KG12 (after the use of KG1, not at the same time) they do the same job as the Hoppes.

What people use is down to trial and error, recommendations, and how people prefer to clean their gun.

ronn

This is the stuff that came with my cleaning kit.

Hoppes no.9 solvent
Hoppes lubricating oil.

So solvent on a patch 1st, till they come out clean then some oil next.

New rifle so wouldn't want to damage it.

Thanks lads.

Cass

What you have is a normal solvent to remove copper/fouling. It;s more orientated towards copper but can do both.

Follow steps 2-12 above for cleaning regime.

• Run a KG1 Hoppes soaked patch through the barrel.
• Leave to sit for a few minutes.
• Run another wet patch with KG 1 Hoppes through the barrel to moisten the fouling, and remove the first lot of carbon.
• Run a nylon brush up and down the barrel about a half a dozen times. If you have no nylon brush then run patches continuously every few minutes leaving sufficient time for the solvent to do it's work. If you have a brush clean the brush each time with a spray oil to prevent a build up of gunk on it.
• Run another KG 1 Hoppes soaked patch down the barrel to remove fouling while treating the barrel again.
• Leave to sit for a few minutes.
• At this stage have about 15 or so oiled patches at the ready.
• Start running them down the barrel one after the other until they run clean. The patches need to remain wet to prevent "dry" fouling sticking to the bore.
• If they come clean before the 15 great. If not use more.
• When they run clean and wet, then start using the dry patches.
• Run as many as is needed until there is no more oil on the patches coming out.
• Once the patches are clean/wet switch to dry patches. Run between 5 - 10 or as many as is necessary to remove any remaining oil in the barrel. Then mop it out with a clean, dry mop.

If you do not have the nylon brush, mop, etc then i'd suggest you start to collect some over the coming weeks. They are quite inexpensive at around €2.50 per item. Also no harm to have a few spare so get more than one of each.

The main thing to remember with the solvent or any solvent for that matter is, that it will work better the longer it's in the bore. Some are actually specifically designed to sprayed into the barrel, and left overnight with the patching to follow the next day. Others are only designed to be left in a barrel for a few minutes. The label on the bottle of solvent will tell which your one needs.


You may also find that the rifle is a little "off" after a thorough cleaning. Give her 5 - 10 shots and she'll be back on the button. When i say off i mean it could be nothing or to a max of 10 mm at most. Nothing that would make you miss.

ronn

Thanks cass
Appreciate it.
Have most of the cleaning gear, but would have no problem adding to my cleaning kit. what's a mop?? do you use a bore snake at all,
Do you buy your stuff online or rfd's

ronn

Found out what a mop is, the wife explained it to me. He he. The powers of google :-)

Cass

As Ronseal say "it does exactly what it says on the tin". It "mops" out any residue left in the barrel/

Personally if i run a mop through my gun after cleaning and there is a hint of fouling on the mop i've not cleaned it right and go at it again. To me as mop is a last resort and should remain clean for most of it's use. It should not be used for actual cleaning. That is what solvents and patches are for.

I've some stuff online, and most others in RFDs. I try to go for the best. Nothing to do with "just having the best" but when you invest a lot of money into a gun the last thing you want is to run a cheap, three piece (or two piece) rod up it. Or use improper fitting jags/brushes or use a rod that is not coated or protected in some way.

As for Boresnakes. No. Never use them. I used to carry one for emergencies, but honestly if my rifle/shotgun go so dirty that i needed an emergency clean i'm afraid i'd stop shooting, go home and clean it.

Boresnakes are not good for cleaning in the sense of what cleaning means. They are good for a quick run through, but that's it. Also they collect dirt like a magnet and with the patch, brush and mop and incorporated into the one item................ Just not for me.