'Working' days

Dubl07

When an online retailer, with numerous physical retail premises open 362 days or so per year specifies #X 'working' days as a delivery lead-time are they entitled to limit that term to Mon-Fri excluding public holidays?

Meangadh

Dubl07 wrote: »

When an online retailer, with numerous physical retail premises open 362 days or so per year specifies #X 'working' days as a delivery lead-time are they entitled to limit that term to Mon-Fri excluding public holidays?

Assuming you're talking about having something posted to you that you ordered from an online retailer, there isn't a postal service at weekends so they don't include those days, only your traditional "working days". Nothing to do with having their own shops open at weekends.

Sir Arthur Daley

I think so, sure they need a few days off.

smcgiff

Is After Hours the only forum on boards.ie.....













That's my After Hours response, BTW

Meangadh

Ah Jaysus OP, you made a poll for this question?

If you're really dying to know their reasons (although I'd imagine it's as I said above), just contact the specific retailer directly.

seamus

Dubl07 wrote: »

When an online retailer, with numerous physical retail premises open 362 days or so per year specifies #X 'working' days as a delivery lead-time are they entitled to limit that term to Mon-Fri excluding public holidays?

Why wouldn't they be?

It's a common phrase which refers to Mon-Fri.

The reason online retailers use it is because their delivery times (in and out) are restricted by national postal services, which generally only operate working days. Even if it gets picked and packed today, it can't leave their premises till Monday morning.

whirlpool

What's the postal service got to do with the online retailer? They don't control the days that the post operates on.

Dubl07

But if they haven't made any progress on an online order after almost two weeks it gets irritating.

smcgiff

whirlpool wrote: »

What's the postal service got to do with the online retailer? They don't control the days that the post operates on.

I think you've answered your own question.

whirlpool

whirlpool wrote: »

What's the postal service got to do with the online retailer? They don't control the days that the post operates on.

smcgiff wrote: »

I think you've answered your own question.

It was a rhetorical question, I didn't want an answer. I was pointing out that the online retailer has no control over the days that the postal service operates.

The Backwards Man

A lot of banks open on Saturday. Saturday post in the UK also.

Meangadh

Dubl07 wrote: »

But if they haven't made any progress on an online order after almost two weeks it gets irritating.

Well how long did they say the item would take to arrive? Depends on where it's coming from as well.

Sir Arthur Daley

Banks are open in Boston on Sundays.

Kurtosis

So what if the physical retail premises are open Monday to Sunday? The online end of most retailers operate from separate warehouse(s) or dispatch centre(s) and are probably only open Monday to Friday.

Sir Arthur Daley

Alot of warehouses would work Saturday and be back working Sunday night for dispatching so they work 7 days in effect.

Kurtosis

WikiHow wrote: »

Alot of warehouses would work Saturday and be back working Sunday night for dispatching so they work 7 days in effect.

They're a separate operation to the retail shops though, the opening hours of one have no impact on the other.

nlgbbbblth

The Backwards Man wrote: »

A lot of banks open on Saturday. Saturday post in the UK also.

Saturday is a non-processing day.

Dubl07

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

Saturday is a non-processing day.

Should it be? The whole idea of the weekend as sacrosanct is a bit archaic.

Lia_lia

Some couriers deliver on a Saturday in the UK.

I work for an online retailer and we still have to work weekends! Doesn't mean you get your post delivered on weekends though..

H2UMrsRobinson

Lia_lia wrote: »

Some couriers deliver on a Saturday in the UK

The postman delivers on a Saturday it's a generally accepted postal day in Uk. Couldn't get my head around that when I first moved here, no Saturday post ....? Anyway after 8 years I have come to terms with the fact that only the bare minimum ever gets done here, just to keep things ticking over like.

Dubl07

And you'd think that a national chainstore attempting to break into the online market would be prepared to pay a bit of overtime to existing workers in order to facilitate customers who bought in good faith from its sale. If that wasn't possible, why not hire extra workers to do the same and tell customers it was doing just that even IF the warehouse didn't generally work weekends.

Ahem.

/rant.

Still not 'furious'. Defcon 3 though. More than irritated.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Dubl07 wrote: »

And you'd think that a national chainstore attempting to break into the online market would be prepared to pay a bit of overtime to existing workers in order to facilitate customers who bought in good faith from its sale. .

No. I actually think you are being totally unreasonable about the whole affair and making a mountain out of a molehill.

Dubl07

In 1990, 28 days delivery for distance-orders was acceptable. In 2014 it is not.

We're not dealing with 'mail' order where the order goes in by post and gets dealt with by clerks writing out the details and shuffling physical paper. In 2014 consumers have choices/alternatives/other options. I'm using a baseline of comparison with other online shops including Debenhams. It was easier for me to order online from them pre-Christmas than to drive to Blackrock, just a few miles away. The status of my order was evident from the outset and it was promptly and efficiently delivered.

Kurtosis

Dubl07 wrote: »

In 1990, 28 days delivery for distance-orders was acceptable. In 2014 it is not.

It's been 10-11 days, 6 of which have been working days.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Isn't it amazing how impatient people have become in 14 years?

Dubl07

Alora Dirty Keyhole wrote: »

Isn't it amazing how impatient people have become in 14 years?

Isn't it wonderful that we can now engage in business transactions with professionally operated companies from an entirely different country who regard customers as of some importance in the whole product-money transaction.

My beef is not primarily about delay, it's about being mushroom-managed.

Gumbo

Dubl07 wrote: »

And you'd think that a national chainstore attempting to break into the online market would be prepared to pay a bit of overtime to existing workers in order to facilitate customers who bought in good faith from its sale. If that wasn't possible, why not hire extra workers to do the same and tell customers it was doing just that even IF the warehouse didn't generally work weekends.

Ahem.

/rant.

Still not 'furious'. Defcon 3 though. More than irritated.

I think you forgot to read the large print when making your order. They specifically said they hope for 5 working day turn around except at busy periods. I seriously consider Christmas a busy period, don't you?

Plus, the way most companies are set up now, is that their online retail operation is a totally separate entity to the bricks and mortar stores.

How many actual working days is it since your order OP?

Tigger

Alora Dirty Keyhole wrote: »

Isn't it amazing how impatient people have become in 14 years?

FEELS LIKE 24

Dubl07

kceire wrote: »

I think you forgot to read the large print when making your order. They specifically said they hope for 5 working day turn around except at busy periods. I seriously consider Christmas a busy period, don't you?

Plus, the way most companies are set up now, is that their online retail operation is a totally separate entity to the bricks and mortar stores.

How many actual working days is it since your order OP?

When I ordered on Christmas Eve there was no large print. People who ordered long after me have received their orders. Coming up to Christmas is busy, a sale is busy, a company should staff their enterprise and roster hours accordingly.

M&S, Debenhams and Amazon ftw.

Gumbo

Dubl07 wrote: »

When I ordered on Christmas Eve there was no large print. People who ordered long after me have received their orders. Coming up to Christmas is busy, a sale is busy, a company should staff their enterprise and roster hours accordingly.

M&S, Debenhams and Amazon ftw.

I would imagine you be best sticking with them in the future then.

Your Order has been outstanding approx 5 working days and you get all hot and bothered about it. Talk about first world problems. When I was ordering on the 24th it specifically said we aim to deliver within 5 working days except at busy periods such as Christmas.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Dubl07 wrote: »

When I ordered on Christmas Eve there was no large print. People who ordered long after me have received their orders. Coming up to Christmas is busy, a sale is busy, a company should staff their enterprise and roster hours accordingly.

M&S, Debenhams and Amazon ftw.

Christmas Eve! For some bricks and mortar stores that could be as little as 4 working days! I called to a supplier locally yesterday that was still closed for Christmas!

Dubl07

kceire wrote: »

I would imagine you be best sticking with them in the future then.

Your Order has been outstanding approx 5 working days and you get all hot and bothered about it. Talk about first world problems. When I was ordering on the 24th it specifically said we aim to deliver within 5 working days except at busy periods such as Christmas.

26th, 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th, 31st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Dubl07 wrote: »

26th, 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th, 31st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

Holidays, holidays, weekend, weekend, workday, workday, workday,workday, weekend.

Dubl07

Some of those are semi-valid but how in under-god is the 27th a holiday?

Besides, do you think Amazon or Debenhams or M&S's warehouses/bosses would use that rationale?

Gumbo

Dubl07 wrote: »

26th, 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th, 31st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

26th was not a working day for he dunnes group.
Stores opened on the 27th, same as the dispatch centre.
28th and 29th were Saturday and Sunday so centre and delivery contractors did not work. Monday was open day, same as Tuesday. New Year's Day was BH so closed.

2nd January open
3rd January open.

That brings us to today the 4th January with a grand total of 3-4 working days.
You need to align yourself with the truth.

Gumbo

Dubl07 wrote: »

Some of those are semi-valid but how in under-god is the 27th a holiday?

Besides, do you think Amazon or Debenhams or M&S's warehouses/bosses would use that rationale?

Really, you really want to bring American or even uk working rights to Ireland ......

Dubl07

Dubl07 wrote: »

26th, 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th, 31st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

Alora Dirty Keyhole wrote: »

Holidays, holidays, weekend, weekend, workday, workday, workday,workday, weekend.

Dubl07 wrote: »

Some of those are semi-valid but how in under-god is the 27th a holiday?

Besides, do you think Amazon or Debenhams or M&S's warehouses/bosses would use that rationale?

kceire wrote: »

26th was not a working day for he dunnes group.
Stores opened on the 27th, same as the dispatch centre.
28th and 29th were Saturday and Sunday so centre and delivery contractors did not work. Monday was open day, same as Tuesday. New Year's Day was BH so closed.

2nd January open
3rd January open.

That brings us to today the 4th January with a grand total of 3-4 working days.
You need to align yourself with the truth.

kceire wrote: »

Really, you really want to bring American or even uk working rights to Ireland ......

You pair need to have a meeting with Margaret to get your stories straight.
I'd like to see transparency instead of complacency and 'aaah-shure-begorrah, Irish shop-operators are only amateurs'.

Gumbo

Dubl07 wrote: »

You pair need to have a meeting with Margaret to get your stories straight.
I'd like to see transparency instead of complacency and 'aaah-shure-begorrah, Irish shop-operators are only amateurs'.

Ha ha not liking the answers you getting OP. Think the poll answers for itself.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Dubl07 wrote: »

You pair need to have a meeting with Margaret to get your stories straight.
I'd like to see transparency instead of complacency and 'aaah-shure-begorrah, Irish shop-operators are only amateurs'.

Now, you've just lost me.