Garda Age Card,,,Whats The Point

coolock94

ok im going on a rant,

1) I was refused service with my age card in town over the weekend this made me furious the barman said they don't accept them as the Gardaí told them not to accept them, this is pure bull**** as the gardai are the ones who provide us with them.

2) places breaking the law, the spar for example have a sign which indicates you must be over 21 to purchase alcohol in store, this is going against the law, the law states a person who is 18 or over can purchase alcohol in this country with a form of id which also takes me back to my 1st point the documents include, age card, passport, driving licence.

why let people buy these cards if they are going to be refused it is so annoying being refused by these places.

3) a question I would love to get cleared up, as the legal drinking age is 18 in Ireland are pubs and clubs allowed to refuse entry to people who are under 21 even if they have id. I ask this because its age discrimination if a 90 year old got turned away from a club for being to old that's age discrimination so why is it different for some who is under 21 but over 18.

rant over lads any info would be great thanks.

Well I've never had these issues with my age card

coolock94

coolock94 wrote: »

2) places breaking the law, the spar for example have a sign which indicates you must be over 21 to purchase alcohol in store, this is going against the law, .

No, it isn't
Private business
They don't have to sell you a thing

Fr_Dougal

Not tonight, son.

kneemos

Many varied and valid points young man.

coolock94

but its age discrimination

JumpShivers

Isn't a premises that sells alcohol allowed to set their own age limits?

Mint Aero

Maybe you're a scumbag OP and they don't want you on their premises?

markad1

Ahhh memories.....white socks was another reason not to let you in.

Pro Hoc Vice

coolock94 wrote: »

ok im going on a rant,

1) I was refused service with my age card in town over the weekend this made me furious the barman said they don't accept them as the Gardaí told them not to accept them, this is pure bull**** as the gardai are the ones who provide us with them.

2) places breaking the law, the spar for example have a sign which indicates you must be over 21 to purchase alcohol in store, this is going against the law, the law states a person who is 18 or over can purchase alcohol in this country with a form of id which also takes me back to my 1st point the documents include, age card, passport, driving licence.

why let people buy these cards if they are going to be refused it is so annoying being refused by these places.

3) a question I would love to get cleared up, as the legal drinking age is 18 in Ireland are pubs and clubs allowed to refuse entry to people who are under 21 even if they have id. I ask this because its age discrimination if a 90 year old got turned away from a club for being to old that's age discrimination so why is it different for some who is under 21 but over 18.

rant over lads any info would be great thanks.

The Garda Age card excuse was rubbish, but any person entitled to refuse.

While age is a ground under equality legislation there is an exception between 18 and 21 (might be 23). So well within there rights to say no thanks.

coolock94

far from it

Froggy123

I'd say the sign read that you cannot sell alcohol to anyone that looks under 21 that doesn't have id! In the last place I worked we had to ask anyone who looked under 21 for Id. It just covers all bases as sometimes it's hard to tell people's ages!!

You where unlucky in that bar but is there a possibility you don't look like the photo on your Id card? You're meant to refuse anyone your not 100 percent about!!

coolock94

yeah fair enough, just the age card being refused made me pissed off

kneemos

coolock94 wrote: »

yeah fair enough, just the age card being refused made me pissed off

Get a passport.

coolock94

the spar don't sell to under 21s and the age card is very recent i look the same as i do in the picture

coolock94

but that's the reason for the age card a passport is a very important document and if lost cost a fortune to replace and plus the age card only costs a tenner

Pro Hoc Vice

kneemos wrote: »

Get a passport.

The funny thing is the only defence to serving an under age person is the Garda Age card a passport gives no defence.

myshirt

markad1 wrote: »

Ahhh memories.....white socks was another reason not to let you in.

So, I wasn't the only one!

coolock94

that's true but ive gotten into places that are over 22s for example Saturday night i got in told him i was 22 even though he seen my age card he didn't realise i was lying and am only 19 the place was over 22's

SmurfX

Private business can refuse to sell things to anyone for whatever reason they want so long as it doesn't fall under discrimination. If they thought you might not have been of age and didn't trust the age card as valid ID then they're entitled to refuse you.
I think if that sign states as you said it did that would have been outright discrimination. I don't think a supermarket can refuse the sale of something below an arbitrary age unless its enforced by law, the usual sign is reserving of rights to refuse you if you look like you're under 21 which is fair since it'd imply you're in the range of possibly being under 18.

kneemos

coolock94 wrote: »

but that's the reason for the age card a passport is a very important document and if lost cost a fortune to replace and plus the age card only costs a tenner

True
True

Nodding head.

whats the point

I swear I'm 21, buddy!!!

coolock94

i agree , would a club fall under a private business so if refusing someone based on age that's discrimination

Witcher

coolock94 wrote: »

i agree , would a club fall under a private business so if refusing someone based on age that's discrimination

Of course it's a private business.

Hank Scorpio

I got told my one was fake years ago, some bouncers are just ****

coolock94

so therefore telling people its over 21s they are discriminating against my age

Aidric

Blay wrote: »

Of course it's a private business.

right of admission reserved

simple as that really

PizzamanIRL

Money racket

Witcher

coolock94 wrote: »

so therefore telling people its over 21s they are discriminating against my age

You're completely right..we need a judgement from the Supreme Court on this. Go for it.

coolock94

i be questioning it when i get my chance

markad1

myshirt wrote: »

So, I wasn't the only one!

Think it was cause i was from coolock

kneemos

coolock94 wrote: »

so therefore telling people its over 21s they are discriminating against my age

The righteousness of youth is a joy to behold.

Witcher

coolock94 wrote: »

i be questioning it when i get my chance

First step is to state your case to the bouncer on the door.

Don't let him silence you..just rant rant rant at him. It will definitely help the case in court.

wnolan1992

I don't think you being refused had anything to do with the age card tbh. They just didn't like the look of you and made up some excuse to make you feel better rather than saying "You look like a scumbag, we're not serving you."

I've never had any issue with the card bar a bouncer laughing at my photo once...

markad1

Blay wrote: »

First step is to state your case to the bouncer on the door.

Don't let him silence you..just rant rant rant at him. It will definitely help the case in court.

The assault case?

Witcher

markad1 wrote: »

The assault case?

:pac:

We all know the first step in a successful discrimination case is shouting the odds about your rights like a loudmouth:p

coolock94

trust me i don't look like a scumbag, if i did i wouldn't be doing what i do today

coolock94

alright i think i cleared it up looking up the liquor act i found this makes intresting reading.


If—


(a) the holder of a licence or other authorisation which permits the sale of intoxicating liquor adopts a policy of refusing to supply intoxicating liquor to any person below a specified age which exceeds 18 years,


(b) a notice setting out the policy is displayed in a conspicuous place in or on the exterior of the premises, and


(c) the policy is implemented in good faith,


a refusal to serve intoxicating liquor to such a person shall not constitute discrimination on the age ground

Witcher

coolock94 wrote: »

trust me i don't look like a scumbag, if i did i wouldn't be doing what i do today

In fairness, nobody's going to say 'Actually, you're right, I do look like a scumbag'.

Your testimony will have to be stricken from the record. We need a third party opinion of your appearance.

coolock94

haha have to laugh pal im not going to discuss whether or not i look like a scumbag, i don't speak nor look like one. ive been offered jobs as cabin crew and am currently in waiting for a medical for the garda reserve, nether of which take on scumbags,, hope i cleared that up for you

Witcher

coolock94 wrote: »

haha have to laugh pal im not going to discuss whether or not i look like a scumbag, i don't speak nor look like one. ive been offered jobs as cabin crew and am currently in waiting for a medical for the garda reserve, nether of which take on scumbags,, hope i cleared that up for you

Sure the guards will take all sorts these days...desperate for bodies:pac:

coolock94

cant argue there great point ah sure I must be a scumbag so explains a lot really.

hfallada

You cant carry around you €80 passport as it might get lost or stolen. Most twenty somethings I know in Dublin dont have a drivers license as insurance is too expensive to bother getting one. So an Age Card is the only choice.

But if we had a national ID like Italy there would be not need for an Age card and a passport( most Italians can use their ID card instead of a passport, even on Ryanair).

Witcher

Were you out in your Santy suit again OP?

Maybe that explains it all.

coolock94

fecking wish I was I got in everywhere in that suit didn't get asked for id once that night

dundalkfc10

What does a Scumbag look like?

kneemos

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

What does a Scumbag look like?

Hmm

dundalkfc10

kneemos wrote: »

Hmm

Loads of scumbags dress well and loads of non scumbags might dress like a scumbag

wnolan1992

This is the first image result for scumbag.

looking_around

Ranting & Raving forum , that way ---->

I've never been refused, even at 18 I manage to get in to the odd "over 21's". (Being polite does amazing things.)

I've also never seen an "over 21's only" in a shop, sure you're not mistaking it with those "if you're under 21 you must supply an age card" signs? or the ones that say "think 21, ask for ID"?

dundalkfc10

looking_around wrote: »

Ranting & Raving forum , that way ---->

I've never been refused, even at 18 I manage to get in to the odd "over 21's". (Being polite does amazing things.)

I've also never seen an "over 21's only" in a shop, sure you're not mistaking it with those "if you're under 21 you must supply an age card" signs? or the ones that say "think 21, ask for ID"?

Loads of places have signs saying over 21 and over 23

Some nightclubs, 1 in Dundalk 1 in Newry are both 21s on certain nights