Racist footballer Anelka. Will he be punished?

camel jockey

Disgusting racist behaviour from Anelka while celebrating his first goal yesterday

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25537686

Let's hope those who oppose Racism also oppose his actions, and are as vocal about it as they are about all other forms of racism.

Hande hoche!

He will be let off with a stern warning.

MrStuffins

Nicolas Anelka says he is "neither racist nor anti-Semitic"

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Menas

Football + racism + after hours = messy thread.

kneemos

I know Hitler blamed the Jews for all sort of ills but what's the current objection?

camel jockey

Hande hoche! wrote: »

He will be let off with a stern warning.

I would be very concerned about the message that would send out. Considering the 10 (?) match ban that Suarez got last season, I'd expect something similar for Anelka.

camel jockey

MrStuffins wrote: »

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So the racist says he is not racist. That's the end of the story? :rolleyes:

BMJD

I blame the romanians on this one.

Hande hoche!

kneemos wrote: »

I know Hitler blamed the Jews for all sort of ills but what's the current objection?

People are accusing a semitic comedian of antisemitism.

Femme_Fatale

Well the "The only discriminated group left is white people herpa derp" brigade will be gutted if he's punished, so hopefully he will be.

camel jockey

kneemos wrote: »

I know Hitler blamed the Jews for all sort of ills but what's the current objection?

Not sure.

Karl Stein

Antidisestablishmentarianism.


That's a really long word.

Hande hoche!

camel jockey wrote: »

I would be very concerned about the message that would send out. Considering the 10 (?) match ban that Suarez got last season, I'd expect something similar for Anelka.

Good point, did anything come of that Croatian footballer and the quasi fascist crowd chanting?

MrStuffins

camel jockey wrote: »

So the racist says he is not racist. That's the end of the story? :rolleyes:

Is it your opinion that it is racist or are you just spitting it out because someone else says it's racist?

Hande hoche!

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Well the "The only discriminated group left is white people herpa derp" brigade will be gutted if he's punished, so hopefully he will be.

Might as well complain about the PC brigade.

camel jockey

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Well the "The only discriminated group left is white people herpa derp" brigade will be gutted if he's punished, so hopefully he will be.

Sounds like you don't consider what he did to be racist. Can you confirm please?

camel jockey

MrStuffins wrote: »

Is it your opinion that it is racist or are you just spitting it out because someone else says it's racist?

Yes, in my opinion it is racism.

ColeTrain

Anelka is a mercenary. I'm sure he'd change his stance for a few shekels.

Karl Stein

They're gonna get ya Femme_Fatale, be careful.

DrumSteve

camel jockey wrote: »

Disgusting racist behaviour from Anelka while celebrating his first goal yesterday

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25537686

Let's hope those who oppose Racism also oppose his actions, and are as vocal about it as they are about all other forms of racism.

*looks at op's username*

*raises quizzical eyebrow*

P_1

Good grief, the comedian in France who coined the gesture has publicly explained that it is an anti-establishment and anti-Zionist gesture. Comparing anti-Zionism with antisemitism is like comparing anti IRA sentiment with hatred for everything Irish.

Howard Juneau

Nothing racist about it, he's not even attacking the Jewish faith, it's a reference to his friend who is a French comedian & is anti-zion,
It's not smart making political statements on the field, but a 1-3 game ban is all he could get

dude83

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Good point, did anything come of that Croatian footballer and the quasi fascist crowd chanting?

Yep, 10 game ban.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2524741/Croatias-Josip-Simunic-slapped-10-game-ban-miss-World-Cup-Nazi-chanting.html

Strawberry HillBilly

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Good point, did anything come of that Croatian footballer and the quasi fascist crowd chanting?

FIFA banned him for 10 competitive games, effectively banning him from next years World Cup. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/16/croatia-josip-simunic-ban-world-cup-pro-nazi-chant

super_furry

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=camel%20jockey

1. camel jockey
term used in derogatory fashion to describe anyone from the middle east

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

BMJD wrote: »

I blame the romanians on this one.

I blame Suarez - he started it....

betcha thought there was a Basil fawlty quote in here, didn'tcha...?

camel jockey

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Good point, did anything come of that Croatian footballer and the quasi fascist crowd chanting?

I'm not familiar with the case. I would like to think they were treated the same as a crown that referred to black opposition players as monkeys or threw bananas on the pitch etc.

I recall that Paolo Di Canio (an Italian footballed, later a football manager) has gotten in trouble for his 'alleged' fascist leanings in the past. Not sure whether he was ever punished or not.

Hande hoche!

dude83 wrote: »

Yep, 10 game ban.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2524741/Croatias-Josip-Simunic-slapped-10-game-ban-miss-World-Cup-Nazi-chanting.html

Thanks for the link.

Femme_Fatale

camel jockey wrote: »

Yes, in my opinion it is racism.

Racism that you agree with is ok though. You don't have a problem with islamophobia like.

WilyCoyote

A load of b0ll0x hot air in my view. I mean, anyone can claim to be hurt/insulted by any random action.
Can't go any further as the pro-Israeli goons are waiting in the wings with their bellies full of manufactured indignation.
Shalom!

Vito Corleone

Anelka is a fearsome warrior who is not afraid to fight to the death.

wazky

camel jockey wrote: »

I recall that Paolo Di Canio (an Italian footballed, later a football manager) has gotten in trouble for his 'alleged' fascist leanings in the past. Not sure whether he was ever punished or not.

Nothing "alleged" about it, he freely admits he is a fascist, but not the bad kind, whatever that is.

Hande hoche!

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Racism that you agree with is ok though. You don't have a problem with islamophobia like.

Is that not sectarianism?

J_E

This thread is asking for trouble. Consider OPs post history. Don't get caught up.

Said player defended himself. Unsure what his motives were but it would seem bizarre to use such a gesture in a discriminatory way to celebrate victory. Seems to be more complicated than anti-Semitism given his statement but who knows? It'll probably be investigated and dealt with. Let's hope it was a case of misinterpretation.

camel jockey

super_furry wrote: »

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=camel%20jockey

1. camel jockey
term used in derogatory fashion to describe anyone from the middle east

Also someone who engages in camel racing. As someone with a long standing interest in the popular sport, I deemed it a suitable and appropriate username.

Unfortunately it seems to have an unanticipated meaning for those in the know.

camel jockey

WilyCoyote wrote: »

A load of b0ll0x hot air in my view. I mean, anyone can claim to be hurt/insulted by any random action.
Can't go any further as the pro-Israeli goons are waiting in the wings with their bellies full of manufactured indignation.
Shalom!

So you definition or racism doesn't extend to anti-Semitism. Nice to know. :rolleyes:

Pug160

Well I don't know too much about it and I'm not going to get involved in any heated discussions, but I will say that footballers are generally not known for their great intelligence.

dirtyden

camel jockey wrote: »

Also someone who engages in camel racing. As someone with a long standing interest in the popular sport, I deemed it a suitable and appropriate username.

Unfortunately it seems to have an unanticipated meaning for those in the know.

So you see what happens when people jump to kneejerk conclusions.

Gbear

Sounds like the usual whine about racism any time someone pulls up a religious body for their bull****.

"Islamophobia". "Anti-Semitism".

Two ludicrously overused words.


Edit:
It would appear that I was too hasty. While what I said is largely true, in this case, Dieudonné is definitely an utter **** and a racist.

P_1

camel jockey wrote: »

So you definition or racism doesn't extend to anti-Semitism. Nice to know. :rolleyes:

Anti-Zionism does not equal Anti-Semitism. By definition Zionism is a xenophobic philosophy.

Chefrio

Pug160 wrote: »

Well I don't know too much about it and I'm not going to get involved in any heated discussions, but I will say that footballers are generally not known for their great intelligence.

I wouldn't say they are less intelligent than the general public.

Nodin

camel jockey wrote: »

Also someone who engages in camel racing. As someone with a long standing interest in the popular sport, I deemed it a suitable and appropriate username.
.

My bollocks ye did.

Riddle101

Political Correctness gone mad I think. I believe the footballer and the comedian are innocent, and it's just people blowing things out of proportion.

Corkfeen

P_1 wrote: »

Good grief, the comedian in France who coined the gesture has publicly explained that it is an anti-establishment and anti-Zionist gesture. Comparing anti-Zionism with antisemitism is like comparing anti IRA sentiment with hatred for everything Irish.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/nick/article/3292/a-profile-of-a-french-antisemite

1. Denies the Holocaust,mocked holocaust while giving heroism award to a Holocaust denier.
2. Blames Jews for the Slave trade and anything else he can tag them for.
3. Has been prosecuted over anti-Semitic remarks.
4. Strong associations with Marie Le Pen(another holocaust denier with a sordid past and present) and the National Front

That's not anti-Zionism...

ColeTrain

camel jockey wrote: »

Also someone who engages in camel racing. As someone with a long standing interest in the popular sport, I deemed it a suitable and appropriate username.

Unfortunately it seems to have an unanticipated meaning for those in the know

Put the camel down and come out with your hands up. You've just been clamped.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

camel jockey wrote: »

So the racist says he is not racist. That's the end of the story? :rolleyes:

What act of racism did he commit?

whupdedo

I can't for the life of me see any racism in what he did, he has explained his actions and even the guy that invented the gesture has explained quite clearly what it means, i really think this is a load of bull by White middle aged idiots in positions of power,

Also the name camel jockey is highly derogatory, why didn't you just call yourself, towel head or sand monkey

Your pleas of innocence are both insulting and ignorant

BrokenArrows

Its a bit mad that he is being called a racist because the gesture resembles the Nazi salute but it is clearly not.

Dave0301

So I hear you're a racist now Father Anelka?

Daqster

Anelka with Dieudonné the originator of the salute.

Some of his court convictions:

On 14 June 2006, Dieudonné was sentenced to a penalty of 4,500 Euro for defamation after having called a prominent Jewish television presenter a "secret donor of the child-murdering Israeli army".

On 15 November 2007, an appellate court sentenced him to a 5,000 Euro fine because he had characterized "the Jews" as "slave traders" after being attacked in his theater le Théâtre de la Main d'Or.

On 26 June 2008, he was sentenced in the highest judicial instance to a 7,000 Euro fine for his characterization of Holocaust commemorations as "memorial pornography".

On 27 February 2009, he was fined 75,000 Canadian dollars in Montreal for defamatory statements against the singer and actor Patrick Bruel after he called him a "liar" and an "Israeli soldier".

On 26 March 2009, Dieudonné was fined a total of 3,000 Euros for defamation after having criticised Elisabeth Schemla, a Jewish journalist who ran the now defunct Proche-Orient.Info website. He declared on 31 May 2005 that the website wanted to "eradicate Dieudonné from the audiovisual landscape" and had said of him that "he's an anti-Semite, he's the son of Hitler, he will exterminate everyone".

On 27 October 2009, he was sentenced to a fine of 10,000 Euros for "public insult of people of Jewish faith or origin" related to his show with Robert Faurisson.

Sounds like a nice guy.

Frank Lee Midere

So apparantly people can't make gestures made popular by some guy that may or may not be anti-Semitic but more likely is anti-Zionist and has no historical pedigree; and which none of us necessarily know, until now because? Because what. It's political whatchemary gone wheatabix.

I'd post the Stephen fry video on offence but people only post that when Christians are offended.