Poachers convicted

wexfordman2

Just got this in an email from wdai


Two Deer Poachers Convicted at Naas District Court on 4th. December 2013. Fines totalling €3,100.00 and driving disqualifications for two years were handed down, firearm certificates to be revoked. 

Says a prison sentence was seriously considered.


Wonder would a poacher conviction thread be worth keeping a bit like the icabs watch one?

Am I allowed post the entire email, it has a lot more detail?

Corkbah

hopefully it'll deter others.

Cass

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Wonder would a poacher conviction thread be worth keeping a bit like the icabs watch one?

We've considered it, but frankly the amount of work involved is huge not to mention the very delicate legal aspect.

The only time a poacher can be identified or even spoken about is after the case has finished. That means after sentencing and even then only to a certain degree.

Any discussion of the case(s) while they are ongoing, or discussion of the sentences in an overly critical manner may lead to technical contempt of court sanctions being issued at Boards.ie and the members involved.

So other than the workload i know enough to avoid trouble, but am not a solicitor so may not be able to adequately moderate the thread.

Am I allowed post the entire email, it has a lot more detail?

Only if you can obtain permission from the author/copyright owner of the article as per Minister Sherlocks Copyright law passed a couple of years ago.









See, mods don't do things to spoil yer fun. You'd need a legal degree to avoid all the pitfalls and even then there is no guarantee. :rolleyes:

wexfordman2

Cass wrote: »

We've considered it, but frankly the amount of work involved is huge not to mention the very delicate legal aspect.

The only time a poacher can be identified or even spoken about is after the case has finished. That means after sentencing and even then only to a certain degree.

Any discussion of the case(s) while they are ongoing, or discussion of the sentences in an overly critical manner may lead to technical contempt of court sanctions being issued at Boards.ie and the members involved.

So other than the workload i know enough to avoid trouble, but am not a solicitor so may not be able to adequately moderate the thread.


Only if you can obtain permission from the author/copyright owner of the article as per Minister Sherlocks Copyright law passed a couple of years ago.









See, mods don't do things to spoil yer fun. You'd need a legal degree to avoid all the pitfalls and even then there is no guarantee. :rolleyes:

Well, looks like I'm gonna have to summarise then :-)

It seems that they were caught by the npws who were watching a carcass that had been left for collection after the nights shooting. They leave it till next day to avoid been caught with a deer in the back of the van at night, they can't be accused of poaching if they have the deer during the day.

Anyway npws hid and watched the carcass, and went to stop the lads who collected it. They did a runner but we're stopped by the guards later, but had dumped the carcass.

They denied all knowledge of the carcass and then when shown photographic evidence they claimed it was not original.

Both got fines and drive ng licences revoked for two years.

Only one had a firearms licence (for two firearns) but they expect them to be revoked.

The offences took place Feb 2012!!!!!

The Aussie

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Well, looks like I'm gonna have to summarise then :-)

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Ah come on, you forgot the best bit

One of the Criminal Scum used the excuse of "wanting lean meat , because he wanted cheap lean meat because he is a Bodybuilder"

Now, is that not comedy gold right there...

Gold I tells ya :pac:......

wexfordman2

The Aussie wrote: »

Ah come on, you forgot the best bit

One of the Criminal Scum used the excuse of "wanting lean meat , because he wanted cheap lean meat because he is a Bodybuilder"

Now, is that not comedy gold right there...

Gold I tells ya :pac:......

Nah, the best bit is the two year driving ban for the both of them. That's gotta hurt, more a deterrent than the poxy fine.

Hope other poachers take note!!

Surprised how they were able to take both driving licences though, how would that have been justified?

The Aussie

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Nah, the best bit is the two year driving ban for the both of them.

Yeh granted that's up there with it.

They must have been driving a Clowns Car with 2 steering wheels

Would not have been hard to prove that they are both Clowns I suppose...

tac foley

Do you really think that people who poach take any notice of a driving ban?

tac

macnas

How can the second guy be banned off the road if he wasn't driving? surely that would be thrown out in a Circuit Court appeal.

wexfordman2

tac foley wrote: »

Do you really think that people who poach take any notice of a driving ban?

tac

Harder to get away with though than poaching.

TriggerPL

I'm delighted with that result , but more than likely in a circuit court it will be over ruled , espically when they can show that others in the same suitation got away with a fine .

But for now it a step in the right direction the driving ban is a great one !

Larry60

Sentencing seem a bit harsh to me, I can't see why they got a driving ban unless they were speeding away from the scene ect. and if not, should they be also be put on the sex offenders list???
Seems to me that some posters get very worked up about what was one deer poached. I throw this in because I know a local licenced deer hunter shooting on lands on which he has permission who shoots outrageous ammounts of red stags during the rutt for the heads. All legal

meathstevie

The driving licence one is very simple, the very same logic as revoking the firearms permits.

Using a motor vehicle to commit crime may well land you with a judge taking away your privilige to use motor vehicles in public and since both parties were enjoying the benefits of vehicle use when committing their offences both can kiss their books goodbye for a good while.

The Aussie

Larry60 wrote: »

Sentencing seem a bit harsh to me, I can't see why they got a driving ban unless they were speeding away from the scene ect. and if not. Seems to me that some posters get very worked up about what was one deer poached.

It might seem harsh to some but to most its a bit on the lean side to be honest, and if you think it was only one Deer you might also believe Santa is real as well :rolleyes:

Larry60 wrote: »

I know a local licenced deer hunter shooting on lands on which he has permission who shoots outrageous ammounts of red stags during the rutt for the heads. All legal

What you are comparing is the Legal V Illegal, while I would not agree with it there is nothing wrong with it, unless he is using a Call which then puts him in the same class as blokes who spotlight deer.

Larry60 wrote: »

should they be also be put on the sex offenders list???

That would depend on what they had planned to do with the Carcass

wexfordman2

Larry60 wrote: »

Sentencing seem a bit harsh to me, I can't see why they got a driving ban unless they were speeding away from the scene ect. and if not, should they be also be put on the sex offenders list???
Seems to me that some posters get very worked up about what was one deer poached. I throw this in because I know a local licenced deer hunter shooting on lands on which he has permission who shoots outrageous ammounts of red stags during the rutt for the heads. All legal

Poaching is poaching, so I've no problem with the sentence!!

The licenced deer hunter you spoke about is legal which at least puts him within the birds of the law, and if everyone works within the bounds of the law, then the law can be used to manage stuff like this when it's a problem

macnas

The Aussie wrote: »

It might seem harsh to some but to most its a bit on the lean side to be honest, and if you think it was only one Deer you might also believe Santa is real as well

The conviction was based on one deer and what's all this about Santa not being real:D

The Aussie

macnas wrote: »

The conviction was based on one deer.

I know, but I like to think the worst case scenario when dealing with these type of people, as I sit up in my Ivory Tower looking down on them, so I'm happy thinking that yes the conviction was for one, but likely not the first.

macnas wrote: »

and what's all this about Santa not being real:D

Sorry, hope there are not any children reading this, could a Mod go back and delete any post questioning the existence of Santa please, my bad.

Fallow01

As published..."Judge Zaidan indicated that he was seriously considering the imposition of a custodial sentence and said that on the evidence as presented he was satisfied that Mr Smith Jnr played a pivotal role in this organised and structured deer poaching enterprise"

(MOD permission sought and given from author to use text)

Cass

Lads,

As i said at the top of the thread we need to be careful what is said.

Anything that implies that the sentence was under or overly appropriate or anything that is deemed as overly critical can still be deemed as technical contempt of court even though the case is finished and done with.

Another gem from our legal system. So please by all means discuss the matter but limit it to the facts present and leave out the editorials on the sentences imposed.

This is not a Boards.ie rule, it is law hence the hard stance on the matter. I'll have someone with more knowledge take a look at the thread, but i think for the moment we are good. However the moment that ceases to be the admins will act to protect the site.

J. Ramone

wexfordman2 wrote: »

They leave it till next day to avoid been caught with a deer in the back of the van at night

So what are the chances that some game dealers are taking regular delivery of carrion for human consumption?

J.R.

The Minister for Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht is seeking to revoke the hunting licence of a man who has admitted shooting a protected red deer stag.

http://m.rte.ie/news/touch/2013/1217/493465-richard-cullinane-court/

wexfordman2

J.R. wrote: »

The Minister for Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht is seeking to revoke the hunting licence of a man who has admitted shooting a protected red deer stag.

http://m.rte.ie/news/touch/2013/1217/493465-richard-cullinane-court/

It appears he is going to contest it, will be interesting to see how it progresses.

rowa

He should take his medicine like a man and do the decent thing and hand in his licence.

garv123

rowa wrote: »

He should take his medicine like a man and do the decent thing and hand in his licence.

Shur he's only stalking a few years and taught the trophy red was a sika..

:pac:

The Aussie

rowa wrote: »

He should take his medicine like a man invertebrate and do the decent thing and hand in his licence manhood .

sorry, just had to be done