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Uk to abolish tax disc, saves 7million Stg a year

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭ bigroad


    Yes and it will only take another 10years for it to happen here.There is no need to have guards standing at the side of the road checking for a stupid paper disc.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 22,600 ✭✭✭✭ beertons


    Oh in a perfect world.



    \goes to look in the barge thread again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,249 ✭✭✭✭ Guy:Incognito


    beertons wrote: »
    Oh in a perfect world.



    \goes to look in the barge thread again.

    The disc is going, not the tax.

    As for how long itll take here, it depends how long it takes to build up the required anpr network.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 22,600 ✭✭✭✭ beertons


    *bangs head off table


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 Scortho


    beertons wrote: »
    *bangs head off table

    Cheer up, if the tax was going, you wouldn't be able to have the barge. :(
    High tax is the reason they're so cheap

    And I agree with the op, there's no need to have discs on cars. Another waste of Garda time at checkpoints checking for tax.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭ Tzardine


    The article mentions that they are bringing in direct debit payments for the car tax.

    That is something that I would love here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,242 ✭✭✭✭ djimi


    Strituck wrote: »
    The article mentions that they are bringing in direct debit payments for the car tax.

    That is something that I would love here.

    Makes perfect sense; no idea why we dont have that option here. Id love to be able to set up a monthly DD to take care of motor tax and then just forget about it.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    we should abolish flat rate motor tax completely and load it onto petrol/diesel. less hassle, and it's much more equitable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 51,052 ✭✭✭✭ Professey Chin


    djimi wrote: »
    Makes perfect sense; no idea why we dont have that option here. Id love to be able to set up a monthly DD to take care of motor tax and then just forget about it.
    The only problem is they'd add a nice % on it for "admin"


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭ Tzardine


    we should abolish flat rate motor tax completely and load it onto petrol/diesel. less hassle, and it's much more equitable.

    Would not really work.

    Fuel laundering would spike hugely and the administrative costs of the scheme would push the price up too far. You would beg for the good old days of paying road tax to come back.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,155 ✭✭✭ maximoose


    djimi wrote: »
    Makes perfect sense; no idea why we dont have that option here. Id love to be able to set up a monthly DD to take care of motor tax and then just forget about it.



    The most recent AA survey had a couple of questions about paying tax by DD, maybe it is something being looked in to.


    I'd love it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭ bigroad


    Its time to scrap road tax or whatever they call it now.We have paid enough at this stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,225 keithclancy


    Only benefit of the tax disc is for older people that don't have access to online services.

    Also having it on the window is a constant reminder.

    Over here (Holland) you just get a bill in the post every 3 months and pay it online or at the post office, everything is done off your license plate.

    If you want it 'off the road' you declare this up front and the bills stop coming.

    I don't know anyone that doesn't pay Motor Tax/make false declarations over here as there is zero tolerance enforcement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 Scortho


    There is a way to pay your motor tax monthly that works out cheaper than paying it quartly or every six months.
    Take out a credit union loan to pay the car tax and pay it back over 12 months.
    The interest on the loan is less than what the government charge you!:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭ munchkin_utd


    bigroad wrote: »
    Its time to scrap road tax or whatever they call it now.We have paid enough at this stage.
    if folks would accept the fairest system of collecting taxes which is that income taxes (which tax most those who have most) rather than laying it heavy on consumer and indirect taxes which his poorer people proportionately more than the rich, then you could do such a thing.

    But folks in Ireland are allergic to the idea of income tax and would abolish it/ vote in masses for any party which offered it EVEN THOUGH the only folks who would benefit from such a move are the rich.

    on the flip side, there was an opinion poll recently in Germany and folks were asked should income taxes+social charges (which are much higher than Ireland) should be reduced, and the majority said no.
    Why, because the cash has to come from somewhere and if not from income tax then it'll come from some other channel, like what happens in Ireland with high VAT and motoring charges.

    anyhow,
    back on topic and the new move in the UK will actually reduce the cost of motoring and increase affordability as they are offering a 5% discount to pay in installments every 2 months by direct debit.
    So less at one time and 5% less of an overall bill.
    (read it in the UK version of the metro paper this morning)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,090 ✭✭✭ hi5


    If the tax disc goes, counter staff will be let go so it won't happen here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,329 ✭✭✭ Oafley Jones


    So, the uk chancellor is set to announce the scrapping of the tax disc in the uk this morning.
    With number plate recognition it's no longer needed.
    Seems fairly sensible to be honest as the excuse of the disc in the post is no longer valid now that the police/guards have access to the records directly anyhow.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2518477/Death-tax-disc-You-wont-need-windscreen-pay.html?ico=news%5Eheadlines

    So how does that work at a checkpoint, when you've a high volume of cars to process. Is there a hand held scanner for the plates, do the police have to input the number plate manually?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 Scortho


    hi5 wrote: »
    If the tax disc goes, counter staff will be let go so it won't happen here.

    No they won't, they'll be redeployed to another area where they can serve a more useful purpose


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,249 ✭✭✭✭ Guy:Incognito


    So how does that work at a checkpoint, when you've a high volume of cars to process. Is there a hand held scanner for the plates, do the police have to input the number plate manually?

    Its shown some checkpoints on the likes of roadwars. They set up a tripod mounted anpr camera and the cars just roll past.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    Strituck wrote: »
    Would not really work.

    Fuel laundering would spike hugely and the administrative costs of the scheme would push the price up too far. You would beg for the good old days of paying road tax to come back.
    less admin on adding 1% extra on fuel, since there is already a process in place for this anyway. you would not be creating any overhead.

    in other countries - to the best of my knowledge - they not only do this successfully, they also add third party insurance onto fuel. so you cannot drive uninsured. south africa does this, i think.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 405 ✭✭ 00833827


    to remove the tax disc's here, you would pretty much need the whole road network covered in a decent ANPR system like the UK or many other countries have - right now we only have a few squad cars with cameras - the cost of covering a road network the size of ours with relatively so few cars on it might prevent this from ever happening here - even thought the technology is increasingly becoming more affordable. I wouldnt expect it any time soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,716 ✭✭✭✭ cormie


    Will this see an increase in forged registration plates I wonder? All you need is to find a car similar to yours with an open drive insurance policy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭ Tea 1000


    Scortho wrote: »
    No they won't, they'll be redeployed to another area where they can serve a more useful purpose
    Yes, because if it's one thing we're short of, it's public sector workers. Where did all those who used to have to deal with everyone's tax renewal (before online renewal) go? Still there, doing frig all.
    Anyway, it'll never work here. The Irish are hell bent on putting more scraps of paper on the windscreen, not less. It's a joke. NCT and Insurance shouldn't be on the windscreen at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭ DubTony


    “ ... this country will move into the 21st century being a laughing stock with our stupid aul pencils tax discs”.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,738 ✭✭✭✭ corktina


    if folks would accept the fairest system of collecting taxes which is that income taxes (which tax most those who have most) rather than laying it heavy on consumer and indirect taxes which his poorer people proportionately more than the rich, then you could do such a thing.

    But folks in Ireland are allergic to the idea of income tax and would abolish it/ vote in masses for any party which offered it EVEN THOUGH the only folks who would benefit from such a move are the rich.

    on the flip side, there was an opinion poll recently in Germany and folks were asked should income taxes+social charges (which are much higher than Ireland) should be reduced, and the majority said no.
    Why, because the cash has to come from somewhere and if not from income tax then it'll come from some other channel, like what happens in Ireland with high VAT and motoring charges.

    anyhow,
    back on topic and the new move in the UK will actually reduce the cost of motoring and increase affordability as they are offering a 5% discount to pay in installments every 2 months by direct debit.
    So less at one time and 5% less of an overall bill.
    (read it in the UK version of the metro paper this morning)

    Fairest system? Charge more tax to those who have both an income AND who are declaring it? Fairst way to pay for the roads is to charge those more who use them more and not charge those who don't use them


  • Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭ Ninap


    I wouldn't mind just having one disc in the window (like in the UK at present); it's having to have at least three, plus parking discs and the like that is ridiculous. Takes up way too much windscreen space - it restricts visibility and looks terrible. The insurance disc is pointless - you could have got a 12 month one and stopped paying your direct debit, and the NCT one is equally pointless; just make it obligatory to produce evidence of valid NCT to obtain a tax disc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,225 keithclancy


    Ninap wrote: »
    I wouldn't mind just having one disc in the window (like in the UK at present); it's having to have at least three, plus parking discs and the like that is ridiculous. Takes up way too much windscreen space - it restricts visibility and looks terrible. The insurance disc is pointless - you could have got a 12 month one and stopped paying your direct debit, and the NCT one is equally pointless; just make it obligatory to produce evidence of valid NCT to obtain a tax disc.

    Then the parking wardens couldn't do you for failure to display ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 961 guttenberg


    Ninap wrote: »
    I wouldn't mind just having one disc in the window (like in the UK at present); it's having to have at least three, plus parking discs and the like that is ridiculous. Takes up way too much windscreen space - it restricts visibility and looks terrible. The insurance disc is pointless - you could have got a 12 month one and stopped paying your direct debit, and the NCT one is equally pointless; just make it obligatory to produce evidence of valid NCT to obtain a tax disc.
    If the car is older than 3 years old in Britain/4 in NI then it'll have two discs in the window, one for MOT one for tax.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,991 ✭✭✭✭ dgt


    If that were implemented here there would be an outburst of show plates/block felt font


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭ Cee-Jay-Cee


    It will NEVER happen here, ever. If the uk can only save £7 million from it then the savings here would be less than €1 or 2 million as we have considerably less cars/vehicles than the uk and so the cost of implementing it would far outweigh the savings. The cost of updating computer systems and installing anpr cameras in all patrol cars would probably run into tens of millions.


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