Wiseguys.

DEFTLEFTHAND

To this day Made men in the Mafia statestide are respected, they run their rackets(The numbers, protection, loan sharking etc) and hold their influence in the likes of Howard Beach and other areas in NYC. Unless you fcuk with them they won't interfere with you outside of the running of their rackets. The NY mob run a version of the La Cosa Nostra where a code of "honour" is adopted (You can't kill or attempt to take the life of any "un made citizen" police officer or Lawyer.) 'Ndrangheta in Sicily and the Camorra and Sacra Corana Unita of mainland Italy and have no such rules.

Why is it that Italy have such a reverence for criminals. Is it like the way some people here still support dissident Republican groups? The Irish are often compared to the Italians by US history professors. The Mafia developed from the uneasy development of modern day Italy.

The Backwards Man

Any Italians I've met hate criminals just like everyone else.

Daqster

Puts horse's head under OP's duvet.

Bipolar Joe

As far as I know, the Mafia doesn't have nearly as much power as it did. Street gangs and stuff came along and took away most of their dealings, or at the very least made them much smaller. The thousands of small local gangs were enough to drive out most of the rackets, and these days it's drug importing and not much else.

AH answer: I blame Mussolini.

WilyCoyote

Try reading The Unification Of Italy. That will give a bit of gen

DEFTLEFTHAND

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

As far as I know, the Mafia doesn't have nearly as much power as it did. Street gangs and stuff came along and took away most of their dealings, or at the very least made them much smaller. The thousands of small local gangs were enough to drive out most of the rackets, and these days it's drug importing and not much else.

AH answer: I blame Mussolini.

The Five Mafia families of NYC still exist, Gambino, Lucchese, Columbo, Bonnano and Genovese.

The 'RICO Act' has put them under fierce pressure and reduced their influence, now any boss of a Mafia family can be sent down for the acts of their underlings. This is far removed from their golden age in the 30s 40s 50s where they even influenced Judicial elections in NY.

Many Italians of that era will tell you though that they did more good than bad to their areas, for instance the mob used to the pay the rent of struggling Italian families in arrears.

Sunglasses Ron

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

To this day Made men in the Mafia statestide are respected, they run their rackets(The numbers, protection, loan sharking etc) and hold their influence in the likes of Howard Beach and other areas in NYC. Unless you fcuk with them they won't interfere with you outside of the running of their rackets. The NY mob run a version of the La Cosa Nostra where a code of "honour" is adopted (You can't kill or attempt to take the life of any "un made citizen" police officer or Lawyer.) 'Ndrangheta in Sicily and the Camorra and Sacra Corana Unita of mainland Italy and have no such rules.

How many mob hits per year are still happening in NYC/ New Jersey? I remember a report on a hit in Philadelphia a while back that said there had not been one there for something like 12 years!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/nypd-report-details-crime_n_1862771.html

That would seem to suggest not a lot, but then again a fair amount of mob activity presumably happens out on Long Island these days.

Why is it that Italy have such a reverence for criminals. Is it like the way some people here still support dissident Republican groups? .

I don't think the North Italians are fond of them. Nor are the more educated upper class Italian Americans if the Sopranos is to be believed.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The northern Italians of Milan and Turin view Sicily and the south as peasants, their brown eyes dark hair and swarthy complexions gave rise to the famous 'Guinea' insult which travelled across the Atlantic and was used by WASPS on the east coast of the States. (suggesting that they weren't full whites) even though they look like every other Mediterranean Caucasian people.

clairefontaine

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The northern Italians of Milan and Turin view Sicily and the south as peasants, their brown eyes dark hair and swarthy complexions gave rise to the famous 'Guinea' insult which travelled across the Atlantic and was used by WASPS on the east coast of the States. (suggesting that they weren't full whites) even though they look like every other Mediterranean Caucasian people.

Italian Americans will not have much to do with those descended from Calabria and Sicily. They are often referred to as trash. You will hear this out of the mouths of Italian Americans who never stepped foot in Italy.

MadsL

I was gonna read this thread in more detail, but....Fugget About It!

DEFTLEFTHAND

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

How many mob hits per year are still happening in NYC/ New Jersey? I remember a report on a hit in Philadelphia a while back that said there had not been one there for something like 12 years!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/nypd-report-details-crime_n_1862771.html

That would seem to suggest not a lot, but then again a fair amount of mob activity presumably happens out on Long Island these days.



I don't think the North Italians are fond of them. Nor are the more educated upper class Italian Americans if the Sopranos is to be believed.

Two Gambino made men were jailed over extortion claims on the Freedom Tower site last year, two modern day Westies (Irish Mob) also were implicated. This revealed to FBI agents that the Westies/Gambino alliance still exists in NYC.

Type 'Mafia Today' into Google and you'll get a good site reporting on the current activities of the 5 families in NY.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Really good modern day interview for anyone with an interest in Wiseguys. John Angelo Gotti Jnr, ex boss of the Gambinos and son of the infamous John Gotti Sr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTmX9omTTGY

Sunnyisland

I am reading a book about called Mafia republic by john dickie, Italy's criminal curse, Cosa Nostra, Camorra , Ndrangheta from 1946 to present, very interesting OP, think you would like it :-)

moy83

Italian's , balls like stallions

clairefontaine

This thread is making me want pizza.

Jake Rugby Walrus666

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

To this day Made men in the Mafia statestide are respected

When there's a mob tax on everything. When every business, and every part of the supply chain has the give the local oc their cut. This is ultimately passed on to the consumer. So everything in the united states is slightly dearer - might only be a couple of % - to finance this big parasite.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Jake Rugby Walrus666 wrote: »

When there's a mob tax on everything. When every business, and every part of the supply chain has the give the local oc their cut. This is ultimately passed on to the consumer. So everything in the united states is slightly dearer - might only be a couple of % - to finance this big parasite.

That's the nature of the beast, the mob will prey on any legitimate business they can get their claws into. For instance Gaetano Lucchese (lou kayze) who gave his name to the Lucchese crime family infiltrated the lucrative Jewish kosher chicken business. They got control of the union of kosher butchers and suppliers and took their cut. The money they took was passed on to the Jewish consumers.

It's sneaky how they operate, that's why it's hard to catch them, everything is kept low profile.

Irish Stones

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

'Ndrangheta in Sicily and the Camorra and Sacra Corana Unita of mainland Italy and have no such rules.

'Ndrangheta is not in Sicily, it's in Calabria.
Camorra is in Campania, Sacra Corona Unita is in Puglia and Cosa Nostra (or Mafia) is in Sicily.
'Ndrangheta is the most dangerous, because it's the criminal organization that succeded in "exporting" its business to all other regions of Italy and it's very much present in the North, especially in Lombardia, the region where Milan is, because in that region there are the biggest business.
But all cities and towns have some 'Ndrangheta men in useful positions.

What could we do about this and other organizations? Nothing!
They are everywhere, even in the very high places, and rumours are that there have been agreements between the State and those organizations in the past to keep a balance between the hunt for the bad men and the terror and killings they could do.
When in 1992 two huge explosions killed two magistrates who were investigating on Mafia and all, the State replied with severe punishment measures in jail to the culprits. In order to alleviate these unbearable prison measures and try to bend the State to their will, new bombs were put by the Mafia in touristic places and killed many innocent people.
It's a complicated story. Very prominent politicians were allegedly involved, but no clear evidence of this agreement ever came to light.
One of these politicians died some months ago, and nobody talked about him since. The name of the present President of the Republic has been involved as well and it seems there was a taped conversation of him with some Mafia man, but because nobody can investigate on the President, then those tapes were destroyed earlier this year.
How can we be saved from this situation? There's no other way than cut this country away along the Alps border, undermine our foundations and let us float away or sink in the Mediterranean Sea. The latter is preferable.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Irish Stones wrote: »

'Ndrangheta is not in Sicily, it's in Calabria.
Camorra is in Campania, Sacra Corona Unita is in Puglia and Cosa Nostra (or Mafia) is in Sicily.
'Ndrangheta is the most dangerous, because it's the criminal organization that succeded in "exporting" its business to all other regions of Italy and it's very much present in the North, especially in Lombardia, the region where Milan is, because in that region there are the biggest business.
But all cities and towns have some 'Ndrangheta men in useful positions.

What could we do about this and other organizations? Nothing!
They are everywhere, even in the very high places, and rumours are that there have been agreements between the State and those organizations in the past to keep a balance between the hunt for the bad men and the terror and killings they could do.
When in 1992 two huge explosions killed two magistrates who were investigating on Mafia and all, the State replied with severe punishment measures in jail to the culprits. In order to alleviate these unbearable prison measures and try to bend the State to their will, new bombs were put by the Mafia in touristic places and killed many innocent people.
It's a complicated story. Very prominent politicians were allegedly involved, but no clear evidence of this agreement ever came to light.
One of these politicians died some months ago, and nobody talked about him since. The name of the present President of the Republic has been involved as well and it seems there was a taped conversation of him with some Mafia man, but because nobody can investigate on the President, then those tapes were destroyed earlier this year.
How can we be saved from this situation? There's no other way than cut this country away along the Alps border, undermine our foundations and let us float away or sink in the Mediterranean Sea. The latter is preferable.

I've heard the Camorra are still the most prominent group in Italy. I remember years ago the Mafia blew up a section of motorway outside of Palermo killing Mafia prosecutor Giovanni Falcone his wife and bodyguards in their cavalcade in the process, I think thats the 92 incident you mentioned. This was ordered by Salvatore 'Toto' Riina and was seen as a message to anti organised crime law enforcement.

It must be hard for country like Italy to run sans corruption and crime, it seems to be ingrained in some of the southerners. It makes our problems here in Ireland seem very light.

MRnotlob606

you think im funny , funny how ?

mattjack

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

To this day Made men in the Mafia statestide are respected, they run their rackets(The numbers, protection, loan sharking etc) and hold their influence in the likes of Howard Beach and other areas in NYC. Unless you fcuk with them they won't interfere with you outside of the running of their rackets. The NY mob run a version of the La Cosa Nostra where a code of "honour" is adopted (You can't kill or attempt to take the life of any "un made citizen" police officer or Lawyer.) 'Ndrangheta in Sicily and the Camorra and Sacra Corana Unita of mainland Italy and have no such rules.

Why is it that Italy have such a reverence for criminals. Is it like the way some people here still support dissident Republican groups? The Irish are often compared to the Italians by US history professors. The Mafia developed from the uneasy development of modern day Italy.

"That you again Lefty , tell 'em what happened to your right hand."

DEFTLEFTHAND

mattjack wrote: »

"That you again Lefty , tell 'em what happened to your right hand."

Go get your shinebox matty!

elefant

Who says I got a mother?

Irish Stones

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I've heard the Camorra are still the most prominent group in Italy.

Yes, it's very prominent, but its presence is felt especially in Campania (Naples and around). They are famous for the "waste business". Since disposing of waste is an expensive burden for everybody, and since big (northern) industries produce the largest amount of waste, sometimes toxic or special waste, these industries should pay a lot of money for the correct (and lawful) disposal of it. So that's where Camorra steps in. They can manage those waste in a "cheaper way"... They bury it in some plot of land that they own, they don't own or they lend from someone. This waste management is cheaper fro industries and source of huge gain for the criminals. They've been burying toxic and dangerous, sometimes nuclear, waste for decades and now all of this is coming out.
This has led to the almost irreversible pollution of huge areas where the cancer rate in the population, especially yaoung children, is the highest of Italy. Poluuted lands produce polluted food, cattle graze those lands, their meat and milk is polluted. The worst thing is that the food from that area is exported all over. Tomatoes and cabbeges are amongst the main product of that area, but the most affected product is the Buffalo Mozzarella (mozzarella made from water buffalo milk), whose sales have dropped dramatically.

I remember years ago the Mafia blew up a section of motorway outside of Palermo killing Mafia prosecutor Giovanni Falcone his wife and bodyguards in their cavalcade in the process, I think thats the 92 incident you mentioned. This was ordered by Salvatore 'Toto' Riina and was seen as a message to anti organised crime law enforcement.

Exactly, it was May 1992. Falcone was working with Borsellino, another prosecutor who was later killed in July 1992, only two months later, with a car loaded with explosive and parked in front of Borsellino's mother's house. It was a Sunday, he went to visit her mother with all his bodyguards. As soon he arrived the bomb went off and killed him and five of his six bodyguards. The building, a condo building, suffered severe damages.
I remember I was coming home after a bike tour on that afternoon and heard all the TV's around echoing the news of a bomb with several victims. That was the year of the war in Yugoslavia and I thought that something happened over there, but as soon as I went inside I realized that the truth was much different...

It must be hard for country like Italy to run sans corruption and crime, it seems to be ingrained in some of the southerners. It makes our problems here in Ireland seem very light.

I don't how important and hard your problems are, and I think that you have your hardships as well, but I may presume that we have a little worse life over here...
Organized crime, corruption, bribery, politicians that think for themselves, lazy attitude towards work, we moan and whine for our situation but we do nothing to improve our lives. We are useless

beano345

Wasnt their an irish mobster responsible for taking down the cleveland mob they made a film about it ,killing the irishman think its called

anncoates

It's easier to eulogize criminality when it's tastefully filmed with a decent soundtrack.

Dancor

beano345 wrote: »

Wasnt their an irish mobster responsible for taking down the cleveland mob they made a film about it ,killing the irishman think its called

Danny Green. ****e film.

BillyMitchel

beano345 wrote: »

Wasnt their an irish mobster responsible for taking down the cleveland mob they made a film about it ,killing the irishman think its called

To kill an Irishman.

Big Irish hard man. Worked for the mafia, got high up, killed the mafia - on his own!
Killed by the mafia after taken out half of the mafia in that state. If the stories are true he is one crazy mofo!!

Film is no goodfellas but its watchable.

beano345

Never seen it just heard a few people on about it, obviously it wasnt a box office hit

SEPT 23 1989

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G6yVIHvsIE

crockholm

clairefontaine wrote: »

This thread is making me want pizza.

I hear they've got good pizza in Chicago,or if that's too far,try Philly:D
(no retorts using any jon stewart guff)