Govt. seeks to attract more Indian Students to Ireland

Xios

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1119/487558-education-india/

The Government has announced that Ireland is on track to more than double the number of Indian students coming to Ireland to pursue third-level education by the end of 2014.
Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation Richard Bruton said Enterprise Ireland's strategy is to increase the number of Indian students to over 5,000 over the next five years.
He said this would generate income from fees of around €50m, with a further €50m spent in the economy on accommodation and living expenses.
There has been a 120% increase this year in applications from Indians seeking to study in Ireland.
Mr Burton made the announcement during a five-day trade mission to India.

Is this a direction Ireland could be taking? Seems like it kinda fits the idea of a knowledge based economy, we produce students and export em around the world.

keith16

Seems like two department hacks could have come up with this idea in the dept. of enterprise.

How can we increase FDI into Ireland?

Erm, more Indians, those guys can do all that techie stuff we can't! For everyone else, there's Jobsbridge!

The end.

hansfrei

Rice money if you can get it. Minister may curry favour with these Indians....

kona

****ing joke.

Temptamperu

Whats the problem here? More money in the coffers is a good thing.

srsly78

Why would they want to come here? Surely they have all heard about how bad our health system is.

Mr McBoatface

The cowboys in the government wanted some Indians to play with ...................................






The idiots picked the wrong kind

BBJBIG

Yeah ! Sure they do.

And there is this :-

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1118/487304-jobs-dublin/

"Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation Richard Bruton said the job announcements by Aditi and Synowledge show that Ireland is a good gateway to Europe".

"... a good gateway to Europe" - Exactly - another Race to the Bottom.
Just like what happened with the last little Boom.

So, now the Balti Balti Balti guys are after our stuff.
That is what this is really all about.

In the future, those big Balti Balti Companies will take over every bit of our IT work.

Bit by Bit - by stealth - wait 'til you see how this will work out in the end.
Look at Ingiland.
very difficult to get a well-paying IT Job over there because they encourage and import Balti Balti
like they were going out of fashion and an endangered fooookin species.

And, they live on a bowl of rice a day, 2 bowls of rice on a Sunday ... and sleep 6 to the shelf in the Bathroom. Never spend a Penny either.

And, the sad thing is that the Knob Jockeys in Oireland see this as a Positive Development.

In my opinion - and for various reasons - including shoite like this - exiting the EU - beckons closer and closer.
And, take back our Country.

Balti Balti - can kiss my Ass

:mad:

BANNED

MadsL

kona wrote: »

****ing joke.

Overseas students massive subsiding the Irish education is a joke to you??

http://www.tcd.ie/financial-services/fees/UG_Non-EU_Fees_2013-14.pdf

Between 16k and 30k look like funny money?

kona

MadsL wrote: »

Overseas students massive subsiding the Irish education is a joke to you??

http://www.tcd.ie/financial-services/fees/UG_Non-EU_Fees_2013-14.pdf

Between 16k and 30k look like funny money?

What about the places for Irish Students? Most Irish people have to pay for post grads, the real good ones get sponsored, what happens when you cant afford to?
Then the Indians leave with their education and where does that leave the smart economy? for what 100million? Id say these are filling science and engineering posts, the exact type of knowledge this country needs to generate money and investment.

Femme_Fatale

BBJBIG wrote: »

Yeah ! Sure they do.

And there is this :-

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1118/487304-jobs-dublin/

"Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation Richard Bruton said the job announcements by Aditi and Synowledge show that Ireland is a good gateway to Europe".

"... a good gateway to Europe" - Exactly - another Race to the Bottom.
Just like what happened with the last little Boom.

So, now the Balti Balti Balti guys are after our stuff.
That is what this is really all about.

In the future, those big Balti Balti Companies will take over every bit of our IT work.

Bit by Bit - by stealth - wait 'til you see how this will work out in the end.
Look at Ingiland.
very difficult to get a well-paying IT Job over there because they encourage and import Balti Balti
like they were going out of fashion and an endangered fooookin species.

And, they live on a bowl of rice a day, 2 bowls of rice on a Sunday ... and sleep 6 to the shelf in the Bathroom. Never spend a Penny either.

And, the sad thing is that the Knob Jockeys in Oireland see this as a Positive Development.

In my opinion - and for various reasons - including shoite like this - exiting the EU - beckons closer and closer.
And, take back our Country.

Balti Balti - can kiss my Ass

:mad:

u ok bro?

BBJBIG

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

u ok bro?

Yeah !
I know what I am talkin about there ... by and large ...

http://www.thenational.ae/business/industry-insights/technology/us-immigration-legislation-threatens-indian-it-revenues
http://www.livemint.com/Industry/XIz2tpLpY96z5SWZE2efMN/Indian-IT-outsourcers-face-backlash-in-Canada.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/rbc-replaces-canadian-staff-with-foreign-workers-1.1315008

The last Link is rather shocking - it is to do with RBC Bank in Canada :-
"They are being brought in from India, and I am wondering how they got work visas," said Dave Moreau,
one of the employees affected by the move.
"The new people are in our offices and we are training them to do our jobs. That adds insult to injury."

Now - we have another Thread about the "JobBridge" Rip Off.
This stuff is "JobBridge" - on roller-skates.
Believe it.

Gran Hermano

We will have the same problem as the UK, foreign 'students' signing up for dodgy courses just so the can work 20 hours a week here on a student visa.

srsly78

kona wrote: »

Then the Indians leave with their education and where does that leave the smart economy?

Ahahahahahah....

The Indians leave: It's a disgrace Joe, they took their education home with them

The Indians stay: It's a disgrace Joe, they tuk awr jawbz!

Femme_Fatale

Gran Hermano wrote: »

We will have the same problem as the UK, foreign 'students' signing up for dodgy courses just so the can work 20 hours a week here on a student visa.

What's a dodgy course? And if they're a student they're a student.

Hello_MrFox

What kind of Indians are they on about - the native American ones or call center kind?

Fr_Dougal

Racial profiling.

old_aussie

Just make it so only the very top money Irish can go to Uni.

Make 95% of Uni positions available for the Indians.

You're not going to need an education, as these people are going to do all the techy stuff for you.

Diemos

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

What's a dodgy course? And if they're a student they're a student.

Travel and tourism

newmug

This is a mistake. A big mistake.

MadsL

newmug wrote: »

This is a mistake. A big mistake.

Insightful. I like the way you really laid out your argument.

kona

srsly78 wrote: »

Ahahahahahah....

The Indians leave: It's a disgrace Joe, they took their education home with them

The Indians stay: It's a disgrace Joe, they tuk awr jawbz!

the indians are ahead of us in most things, why should we import them to study when thousands of irish all ready here are either emmigrating or stuck on the dole?

Nodin

kona wrote: »

the indians are ahead of us in most things, why should we import them to study when thousands of irish all ready here are either emmigrating or stuck on the dole?

....because they'll pay thousands for the privilege which will help fund third level for Irish people.

kona

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

What's a dodgy course? And if they're a student they're a student.

Arts, travel and tourism, anything in NCAD, theres plenty more in all the ****ty little colleges and IT round the country. Basically anything thats under a 36 hour week or anything that allows you to go get pissed most days, study for a week and get a pass degree.

I do understand these places for indians are post grad courses which Involve massive hours and no holidays.
Most people doing post grads here will be employed by a multinational, earn a wage that will have them fisted by the taxman for the next 40 years, tax the country needs to pay off debt and provide services.

Seems another stupid Idea by government.

I wonder why they have stayed very quiet about them deciding to charge apprentices massive fees to attend a few weeks in a IT on their out of job phase?

Femme_Fatale

kona wrote: »

Arts, travel and tourism, anything in NCAD

Nnnnno... they're not "dodgy" courses.

kona

Nodin wrote: »

....because they'll pay thousands for the privilege which will help fund third level for Irish people.

3rd level costs 50million per year?:rolleyes:

Post grads here pay thousands too, Undergrads pay almost a grand just to register too.

Id rather give the places to people who will stay in Ireland and contribute back into the economy, over 40 years Im sure id see my 50 million.

Instead they import students, and let a generation of Irish leave.

BNMC

Thank you, come again.

kona

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Nnnnno... they're not "dodgy" courses.

your right, Joke courses is more accurate.

clairefontaine

Who the hell would pay 16-30k a year for Trinity or UCD?

Femme_Fatale

kona wrote: »

your right, Joke courses is more accurate.

Even though arts is required for teaching?

Your mask isn't staying on - you're just pissed off at foreigners being let in here, despite all the contributions they'll make as students and tax-payers on their part-time jobs. They pay a lot more in fees than EU citizens.

Gran Hermano

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

What's a dodgy course? And if they're a student they're a student.

Search Google for the following
bbc news student visa scam

kona

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Even though arts is required for teaching?

Your mask isn't staying on - you're just pissed off at foreigners being let in here, despite all the contributions they'll make as students and tax-payers on their part-time jobs.

I couldnt give a **** about foreigners, as much as you reeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallly want to make it look like Im trying to be racist or whatever.

A requirement along with a Hdip.
Teaching?! are you ****ing serious? 9-4 , work only half the year?? no wonder arts is a requirement, lazy bastards.

Come back when your doing 7 years in college 9-5 then go into something like being a doctor. Or Engineering.

My career guidance teacher diverted people who didnt know what to do with themselves into art courses.
When I was in college at 9 am these clowns in arts are in at lunchtime for a few hours to learn to write Hello world for their exam. Joke course.

BUt thats way off topic, these places Id imagine are for real courses and research such as science and engineering, sectors that this country is taking in billions in tax from.

Femme_Fatale

kona wrote: »

A requirement along with a Hdip.
Teaching?! are you ****ing serious? 9-4 , work only half the year?? no wonder arts is a requirement, lazy bastards.

Not seeing your point (other than bitterness towards people charged with educating classrooms of children - and the hours are short/holidays long for the pupils, not the teachers, who also have out-of-class work) - you said arts is useless, it is not.

Come back when your doing 7 years in college 9-5 then go into something like being a doctor. Or Engineering.

Not everyone is interested in the above or capable of it.

The rest of your nonsense about arts is just provocation for the sake of it.

JohnMearsheimer

I did my post grad at Cardiff University in the UK. Because I was from Ireland I was classed as an international student and I was put into a block of flats for international students. I ended up in a flat with 7 Indians (6 fellas, 1 girl). Our block was mostly Indians and Pakistanis. It was a culture shock for me to say the least!

A lot of them had domestic servants back in India and had no idea how to cook or clean for themselves. One of my room mates was chauffeur driven to college back in India every day. I spent a lot of my first few weeks showing people how to use the washing machine.

The girl and one of the guys in the flat started going out. After 3 months of seeing her the girl's father contacted the guy's father trying to arrange their marriage. I got a phone call from the guy on my Christmas break from India asking whether or not I thought he should marry her. Strange stuff.

I paid £3,000 in fees for my post grad as I was an EU student. The Indians were all doing MBAs and were paying £15,000 each to the university in fees alone. The local economy benefited from accommodation, food and general living expenses incurred by the students. The money would add up nicely within the economy. Cardiff University has an office in India that actively recruits Indian students. I can see why the Irish government are going after them.

A UK education is highly prized in India. I'm not sure how valued an Irish education is there.

Diemos

kona wrote: »

the indians are ahead of us in most things, why should we import them to study when thousands of irish all ready here are either emmigrating or stuck on the dole?

Name one thing that they are ahead of us on, other than population size.
I'm genuinely curious.

I have worked with a lot of Indian people, some have been brilliant, most have been lying charlatans. I worked with useless Irish people too btw but not on the same level.

(I'm generalising here but I'm basing it from my observations)
Their treatment of female co-workers, especially Indian females is horrific. I have seen female team leads and managers openly ignored during meetings. Training female co-workers is like pulling teeth.

Femme_Fatale

newmug wrote: »

This is a mistake. A big mistake.

How is it a mistake, a big mistake? It's not very christian to be so unwelcoming.

MadsL

clairefontaine wrote: »

Who the hell would pay 16-30k a year for Trinity or UCD?

Yeah, pesky 61st best university in the world, with clinical speech therapy degrees....

Ruu

BBJBIG banned for that little outburst.

Mod

JONJO THE MISER

Aww yes more Indian students so they can stay on for years working illegally in ireland, ive lived with some indians, nice chaps if you a guy but dont be a woman, the most arrogant and touching up women ive ever seen, ever wonder why bouncers keep a close eye on Indians in pubs and normally wont let them into nightclubs??

AlmightyCushion

JohnMearsheimer wrote: »

One of my room mates was chauffeur driven to college back in India every day.

Feckin' hell, from Cardiff to India. That's one crazy commute.

Nodin

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Feckin' hell, from Cardiff to India. That's one crazy commute.

...should have seen it when he was using a rickshaw.

Nodin

kona wrote: »

3rd level costs 50million per year?:rolleyes:

Post grads here pay thousands too, Undergrads pay almost a grand just to register too.

Id rather give the places to people who will stay in Ireland and contribute back into the economy, over 40 years Im sure id see my 50 million.

Instead they import students, and let a generation of Irish leave.

Why is there the notion that its Irish students or Indian students?

For Forks Sake

Diemos wrote: »

Name one thing that they are ahead of us on, other than population size.
I'm genuinely curious.

Curry recipes.

camel jockey

srsly78 wrote: »

Why would they want to come here? Surely they have all heard about how bad our health system is.

Why would students care about that?

diomed

I'm expecting business courses in corner shop administration.

Tar.Aldarion

clairefontaine wrote: »

Who the hell would pay 16-30k a year for Trinity or UCD?

There are several thousand in trinity, which is 10s of millions in fees every year.

kona

Diemos wrote: »

Name one thing that they are ahead of us on, other than population size.
I'm genuinely curious.

.

Space exploration

hansfrei

Diemos wrote: »

Name one thing that they are ahead of us on, other than population size.
I'm genuinely curious.

I have worked with a lot of Indian people, some have been brilliant, most have been lying charlatans. I worked with useless Irish people too btw but not on the same level.

(I'm generalising here but I'm basing it from my observations)
Their treatment of female co-workers, especially Indian females is horrific. I have seen female team leads and managers openly ignored during meetings. Training female co-workers is like pulling teeth.

Foreigners are always better than us. They'll probably have to hire Polish teachers to teach these Indian students. Hire a load of Dutch interpreters and Turkish student relations managers too.

Femme_Fatale

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Aww yes more Indian students so they can stay on for years working illegally in ireland

Based on?

ive lived with some indians, nice chaps if you a guy but dont be a woman, the most arrogant and touching up women ive ever seen, ever wonder why bouncers keep a close eye on Indians in pubs and normally wont let them into nightclubs??

You've lost me - are you talking about women or men in the last bit?

goose2005

Gran Hermano wrote: »

We will have the same problem as the UK, foreign 'students' signing up for dodgy courses just so the can work 20 hours a week here on a student visa.

That ship sailed years and years ago, there are thousands of Chinese here to do 'English' courses

Bog Standard User

goose2005 wrote: »

That ship sailed years and years ago, there are thousands of Chinese here to do 'English' courses

how long does it take a chinese person to say wah u want!!! oh nuber 32 iz very very good, you pay now

just joking in case you are chinese. slagging each other is part of irish culture...welcome to ireland