Youtube and Google+

Augmerson

What is the story there lads? I use Youtube a lot and I don't want to criticise too harshly as its a free service but the non-stop bombardment of trying to get you to change your Youtube name to your Gmail name and then trying to sign you up to Google+ is annoying, has anyone else encountered this?

It began weeks ago, and is just relentlessly prompting me with the same choices, and then ultimately it gave me no choice and set me up with a Google+ account. I deleted this only for to go through the whole process again. I've give up now. I never intend to use the Google+ thing but at least Youtube will stop asking me about it.....right?

Jester252

Nobody likes change on the internet. Remember when Boards change a few months ago. Give it a week and the b1tching will died down.

akura

It wants me to change my name to Juan Kerr

hatrickpatrick

Jester252 wrote: »

Nobody likes change on the internet. Remember when Boards change a few months ago. Give it a week and the b1tching will died down.

This is more than just changing the layout, this is Google trying to get people to integrate their accounts so that it's easier to mine data from them and then pass it on to either advertisers (best case scenario) or the NSA (worst case scenario).

The die was cast the day Google bought YouTube. YouTube has declined steadily in quality ever since - anyone remember a time when you could use the seek bar to go back to an already watched part of the video without it trying to reload the entire thing?

theblaqueguy

They changed the comments section on the mobile version its ****e!
I think they just want more people to sign up to to google+ so they'll comment on the youtube videos through google+

Augmerson

theblaqueguy wrote: »

They changed the comments section on the mobile version its ****e!
I think they just want more people to sign up to to google+ so they'll comment on the youtube videos through google+

It's the same on PC too, I used to like looking at the comments and upvoting or downvoting them, but that is all gone down.

AndonHandon

Facebook is dying a slow death, I'm on the verge of deleting mine. I'm 25 years old (use WhatsApp, Twitter and LinkedIn so not a technophobe), the appallingly dire mobile versions of Facebook and too man ads and "sponsored pages" are the factors.

Augmerson

AndonHandon wrote: »

Facebook is dying a slow death, I'm on the verge of deleting mine. I'm 25 years old (use WhatsApp, Twitter and LinkedIn so not a technophobe), the appallingly dire mobile versions of Facebook and too man ads and "sponsored pages" are the factors.

Bebo is back, now in pog form.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

It's all down to revenue and getting new customers.

Google wants to be able to say "Hey, we have 100 million Google+ users, do you want to buy X, Y or Z?"

Google + was a flop. Google employees don't even use it. It's now being forced upon you. That's a right pain in the arse.

I really don't want to use my real name on youtube, everytime I say no but it just asks again. It's a bit like that treaty we voted no to a couple of years ago. They just pushed it again until we said yes. "Your no answer is the wrong answer, try again".

TeddyTedson

Google+ is so disgusting looking. If they made it a lot more basic I'm sure it would kick off to some degree.

Yamanoto

It does give you the option to create a Google+ page for your YT pseudonym & you can then carry on posting morally reprehensible comments all over the shop.

I do agree though - every frickin' site, app & next technological fad is seeking to connect the various strands of your online self with everything and everyone else - share it, broadcast it, tell your friends, tweet it. It's fcuking incessant at this stage & takes some considerable effort to lock things down from a privacy perspective.

Jester252

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is more than just changing the layout, this is Google trying to get people to integrate their accounts so that it's easier to mine data from them and then pass it on to either advertisers (best case scenario) or the NSA (worst case scenario).

Hows the tin foil hat?

Its a simple change that people will stop getting hot and bother over in a couple of weeks.

humbert

Google is annoying the **** out of me lately. With the unifying of email addresses so it can aggregate data from accounts you've deliberately decided to keep separate, hooking the links on search results, endless pestering on youtube but then I got an email from facebook kindly informing me that privacy settings I had used in the past were being removed and instead it defaulting to making my information more easily available. All that was missing was an attached picture of Zuckerberg's cock titled 'swivel on it'.

Wish there were better plugins for clearing cookies from facebook and google when you're not actually using facebook or gmail.

hfallada

They must be trying to make Google+ a thing. But in fairness its kinda **** compared to FB. I dont know a single person that uses it or will use it. But with the right features it could be the new FB. Remember how popular Bebo was here and myspace in the US. Google+ could( but probably wont be) the new FB

humbert

hfallada wrote: »

They must be trying to make Google+ a thing. But in fairness its kinda **** compared to FB. I dont know a single person that uses it or will use it. But with the right features it could be the new FB. Remember how popular Bebo was here and myspace in the US. Google+ could( but probably wont be) the new FB

I don't use it much and it's just a mess of **** from people I don't know. What's hot on google+ and such like. Looking at it makes me think I forgot to install adblock. Then there's the spammy emails telling you about trends on google+ that are almost impossible to unsubscribe from.

Just looking at it now, there's two lists of panels and some of them are clearly associated by some common theme but others are stuck in asking me about birthdays or friends I'd like to add, surrounded by random google+ posts. How did anyone in charge look at mess I think, good job lads, that's spot on.

greedygoblin

humbert wrote: »

Google is annoying the **** out of me lately.

Same here. They now have this thing where any photo that's taken on your phone is automatically uploaded to Google+. This happened with an update of the app several months ago, and at the time I deselected the box which did this. Now the latest update seems to have selected this option again.

131spanner

I had a gmail I didn't use so I went about deleting it. Little did I know it had since been linked to my Youtube, so once I deleted it my videos/channel were gone too, sickened.

Being able to use them for free is great, but rolling gmail, Youtube and Google+ into one is a load of wánk.

Burky126

As much as I hate this new integration,it was inevitable and expected.

However,the least they could have done was handle the whole comment system better.With the past system,upvoted comments would be seen along with the recent comments but now what appears more frequently is which comments can get the most attention seeking/longest thread going by posting absolute garbage.

Google+ is doing itself no favours by trying to eliminate the vile that you would normally find on the comment section by now allowing users with unlimited comment space.I've already seen people post entire movie scripts and books and annoying spam. What are Google/youtube intending on doing to solve this?

Already,a few big youtube channels have decided to disable comments in protest as a result but whether this will prove to have a positive reaction is doubtful.

The Dom

It gave me face cancer.

CrazyRabbit

Just Google being a little bit more evil than usual.

Remember when they were considered to be the gods of the internet? Now their reputation is in the bin. How many failed tools/services have they had now?

SimonQuinlank

Just don't sign into your google account when watching YT.

lavelle72

Google is trying to force everyone to sign in to all their platforms so they can track one individual across multiple devices.

hatrickpatrick

Jester252 wrote: »

Hows the tin foil hat?

Its a simple change that people will stop getting hot and bother over in a couple of weeks.

Google's main revenue stream (they are very honest and open about this) is personalized advertising from data mining; Google and YouTube are explicitly mentioned as part of the NSA's "PRISM" program, so it's just common sense that further data mining of customers is the main reason for all this "integration" of different services. If you have to use one account for everything, it's far easier to profile you.

Arrow.

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Just Google being a little bit more evil than usual.

Remember when they were considered to be the gods of the internet? Now their reputation is in the bin. How many failed tools/services have they had now?

Oh God, remember Google Buzz? *Shudder*

I can't stand Google + or Facebook for that matter so I don't use either. It is annoying that they try and get you to sign up so frequently, but like you say, it's free.

Which brings me to the next point - data mining - which they feel they're very much entitled to do (and maybe they are?) while offering free services, which is why I don't use gmail for anything but signing up to other services - Twitter, Spotify etc.

I prefer to use independent third parties:

Dropbox for file storage.
Flickr for photo's (OK it's owned by Yahoo! but I don't need an account with them)
Spotify for music as well as what's on my hard drive.

danniemcq

bit monkey wrote: »

Oh God, remember Google Buzz? *Shudder*

I can't stand Google + or Facebook for that matter so I don't use either. It is annoying that they try and get you to sign up so frequently, but like you say, it's free.

Which brings me to the next point - data mining - which they feel they're very much entitled to do (and maybe they are?) while offering free services, which is why I don't use Gmail for anything but signing up to other services - Twitter, Spotify etc.

I prefer to use independent third parties:

Dropbox for file storage.
Flickr for photo's (OK it's owned by Yahoo! but I don't need an account with them)
Spotify for music as well as what's on my hard drive.

The way I see it, the more Google products you use for free the more data they can mine. If you don't use Gmail they aren't getting that data from you but you aren't costing them to provide the space etc for your emails.

They give (or used to) free directory assistance in America. Great service but they use the data they collect to improve their own voice commands and recognition.

Back to YouTube and comments

It’s not a Google + account that’s needed but a Google account. You don't have to sign up to social network stuff if you don't want to from what I can tell. So all they are asking is to use YouTube (a Google owned company) is a Google account.

Now I remember before this was whole thing was changed and the HUGE number of people complaining about the trolls and the complete and utter rubbish that was being posted,

Yes this is no doubt a way to get the Google data mining community bigger and yes they have probably gone a bit crazy over the last while with really unpopular changes (3 clicks now to change quality? really Google?)

However unless this change harms the number of people going to YouTube on a vast number and flocking elsewhere (and be honest nowhere has the quality, quantity and partnerships that YouTube have) people will adjust.

There isn't gonna be a digg like exodus anytime soon.

Dravokivich

In a way it's kind of funny and sad for google at the same time. They are riding on the coat tails of social networking by trying to tie all their services together with the output for the user being the ultimate combined social networking experience, yet nobody wants that from google!

:pac:

I've cut down on my use of google and slowly transferring the subscriptions/account I had tied to it, to an outlook.ie account. Just need it now for my phones account, and not really looking forward to seeing what they may end up on doing with android.

Arrow.

Dravokivich wrote: »

not really looking forward to seeing what they may end up on doing with android.

I tried Google Hangouts the other day (as its being integrated to the SMS app in 4.4) and quite frankly, it was weird!

I went to create a message to send to a contact's name to started with 'E' for example, but then all these other people started showing up - Ellie Goulding etc. Why would she want to 'hangout' with me?

Not just her, a whole host of celebrities and people I didn't even know.

That was the end of that chapter.

sebastianlieken

Facebook currently has a $65 billion market value. It is the second most visited website on the internet (Google.com is #1, and youtube.com is #3).

Facebook currently has a monopoly in social media, and as such has one of the most effective and powerful marketing platforms in existance. Google wants a slice of that action, and is using their number three site (youtube) to help them. If google can break facebooks monopoly with Google+ then it too stands to gain from mass market targeted advertising. Facebook is so effective in that it can see exactly what you like, and throw out advertisments that pertain exactly to you, whereas youtube can only seem to advertise the brand new cadillac in the states to me.

Google/Google+/Youtube would stand to gain enormously if it knew exactly who you were, where you lived, and what you were into. Each of the three sites could then target you as an individual and could make an absolute mint in the process.

It's all about the marketing. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

iDave

The YouTube comments section makes me despair for humanity.

danniemcq

bit monkey wrote: »

I tried Google Hangouts the other day (as its being integrated to the SMS app in 4.4) and quite frankly, it was weird!

I went to create a message to send to a contact's name to started with 'E' for example, but then all these other people started showing up - Ellie Goulding etc. Why would she want to 'hangout' with me?

Not just her, a whole host of celebrities and people I didn't even know.

That was the end of that chapter.

are they in any of your circles in google+?

Same thing happens in your contacts in your phone if its synced. You can turn it off though so its only contacts in your phone that shows or only ones with phone numbers i believe

Dravokivich

danniemcq wrote: »

are they in any of your circles in google+?

Same thing happens in your contacts in your phone if its synced. You can turn it off though so its only contacts in your phone that shows or only ones with phone numbers i believe

There should be no need to tweak it though. Default for SMS shouldn't be everyone.

Arrow.

danniemcq wrote: »

are they in any of your circles in google+?

Same thing happens in your contacts in your phone if its synced. You can turn it off though so its only contacts in your phone that shows or only ones with phone numbers i believe

I don't even have a Google + account. If I go to the site it asks me to create a profile. And I remember deleting my profile ages ago.

..though one of the lads who got a new Android device the other day said I was showing up in Google + as someone to connect with...weird.

Edit: Just went to it there and put in 'Ka' and Katie Couric showed up!

danniemcq

Dravokivich wrote: »

There should be no need to tweak it though. Default for SMS shouldn't be everyone.

I don't think hangouts are going to be SMS based only.

Its designed to be an all in one messanger service that makes it easier to communicate be it via voice, video or messages.

Its like merging viber/whatsapp/bbm/sms/email/calls all in one so a truely cross platform communication device that doesn't care if you only have their phone number or their email etc.

danniemcq

bit monkey wrote: »

I don't even have a Google + account. If I go to the site it asks me to create a profile. And I remember deleting my profile ages ago.

..though one of the lads who got a new Android device the other day said I was showing up in Google + as someone to connect with...weird.

hmmmmm odd, perhaps your data is still there in your google account despite the plus page being gone.

www.google.com/contacts.

have a look there and see if Ellie Goulding is there, if so plus has synced your contacts bewteen your google accounts. (when you had an account did you happen to follow a lot of pretty ladies? I have Sasha Grey on my contact list)

This may seem like a right pain to some people but to others (like me) its awesome as it means every time i get a new phone or wipe my phone for a custom OS it all syncs for me when the phone connects to my account

Dravokivich

danniemcq wrote: »

I don't think hangouts are going to be SMS based only.

Its designed to be an all in one messanger service that makes it easier to communicate be it via voice, video or messages.

Its like merging viber/whatsapp/bbm/sms/email/calls all in one so a truely cross platform communication device that doesn't care if you only have their phone number or their email etc.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Some people like some features, others find it a nuisance. I don't want all instances of messaging from my phone going through the one service and a third party one at that. If I want to send a text, I should just have to go to the text menu, I shouldn't need to re-configure it.

Arrow.

danniemcq wrote: »

hmmmmm odd, perhaps your data is still there in your google account despite the plus page being gone.

www.google.com/contacts.

have a look there and see if Ellie Goulding is there, if so plus has synced your contacts bewteen your google accounts. (when you had an account did you happen to follow a lot of pretty ladies? I have Sasha Grey on my contact list)

This may seem like a right pain to some people but to others (like me) its awesome as it means every time i get a new phone or wipe my phone for a custom OS it all syncs for me when the phone connects to my account

I just have some people in the 'other' category' that I might have emailed once (via from Adverts or something)...

danniemcq

Dravokivich wrote: »

Yeah, that's what I meant. Some people like some features, others find it a nuisance. I don't want all instances of messaging from my phone going through the one service and a third party one at that. If I want to send a text, I should just have to go to the text menu, I shouldn't need to re-configure it.

Ah ok i get you now and see your point. It would be quite annoying. The only fix from what i can tell would be installing a basic SMS app (gosms or 8sms for example) onto your phone to use instead (haven't used 4.4 yet so can't tell for sure if you would run into any issues).

kaimera

Aug, I see you on g+.

lulz.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

greedygoblin wrote: »

Same here. They now have this thing where any photo that's taken on your phone is automatically uploaded to Google+. This happened with an update of the app several months ago, and at the time I deselected the box which did this. Now the latest update seems to have selected this option again.

I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing, the option lets you back up your photos to Google Drive, which is the same as using a drop box account.
Google Drive is then integrated with Google +.

I assume it's not automatically posting them to your public Google+ page?

danniemcq

bit monkey wrote: »

I just have some people in the 'other' category' that I might have emailed once (via from Adverts or something)...

hmmmm if you go to search at the top of the page and search for Katie or Ellie, do either of them show up in there at all?

danniemcq

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing, the option lets you back up your photos to Google Drive, which is the same as using a drop box account.
Google Drive is then integrated with Google +.

I assume it's not automatically posting them to your public Google+ page?

nope they are added to private album and then allows you to select if you want any made public.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

danniemcq wrote: »

nope they are added to private album and then allows you to select if you want any made public.

I'm still not sure I like the idea of this...

I like the idea of being able to post pictures from your cloud storage to your social media pages.

I don't however like the idea of someone hacking my G+ / Facebook / Twitter and having access to all of my private pictures and videos.
It's too easy to leave yourself logged in somewhere and get fraped.

danniemcq

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

I'm still not sure I like the idea of this...

I like the idea of being able to post pictures from your cloud storage to your social media pages.

I don't however like the idea of someone hacking my G+ / Facebook / Twitter and having access to all of my private pictures and videos.
It's too easy to leave yourself logged in somewhere and get fraped.

you are always going to have an issue with this if you use any type of online storage. if you have something that you want private keep it in local storage and delete the online copies. Its the only way to be 100%* sure

*well as near 100% as you can get you are still open to trojans/worms/viruses or old fashioned criminals breaking into your house

Arrow.

danniemcq wrote: »

hmmmm if you go to search at the top of the page and search for Katie or Ellie, do either of them show up in there at all?

No they don't show up in my contacts, but they show up in Hangouts....

mike65

Been through this two days ago, as an old person I was a bit confused as to what they were trying to do at first (not helped by Opera refusing a hand-shake between youtube and google+ page), switched to FF and saw what they were at - deleted empty google+ page and will never comment on a tube ever again!

that'll teach 'em.

telecinesk

Oh good,so Im not the only one pissed off with Google. I deleted my 3 ytube accounts which I held since 2006 due to endless battle of Google cyber bullying and data mugging attempts.
Last is to dump my gmail account and close this chapter.
Google moaning about NSA tapping them, hang on,theyre forcing their users into using real names and blah,.. rant.. pot kettle black comes to mind. Look De-Google and in fairness De-Facebook if you can. Its all bad.

Maximus Alexander

I had this today on YouTube.

"Do you want to use your real name?"

"No."

"Some other question?"

Pressed the 'x' in the corner.

Then it literally said "We'll ask you again later."

Yeah, don't I fucking know it.

kupus

Im in the same boat as well, I dont have facebook or anything else like that I dont want Google+ or wave or buzz I dont comment on youtube videos I dont upload to any cloud sites, i dont even know how to use those streaming music sites.

So I am in the process of ditching my gmail and moving to gmx. I just wnat an email provider, is that too hard to ask. I know its free but being asked to sign up for this that and the other is getting really annoying now.

jaykay12

Jester252 wrote: »

Hows the tin foil hat?

Its a simple change that people will stop getting hot and bother over in a couple of weeks.

So merely mentioning the NSA (in a relevant way) = tin foil hat to you? That's a shame, because they do exist, and they do take part in dragnet surveillance, profiling and crypto.

Secondly, the fact people will forget about it in a couple of weeks is something to lament, not to blindly accept.

They want to link up all your online activity - I'd guess even your Boards profile is connected to all your social profiles. I'm not saying they have a folder with all your details waiting on someone's desk to be read, but you know.....it's in their massive databases somewhere, waiting patiently......just in case you become a problem in the future.

So don't dismiss sceptical reactions to data protection - in 50 years you'll wish you paid better attention. If not you, then your kids will. Or their kids. And so on......

Arrow.

kupus wrote: »

So I am in the process of ditching my gmail and moving to gmx..

GMX web interface is slow and horrible. A lot of ads too.

I think at one stage in the past they'd limit how many mails you could send in a certain time frame. It was if you were sending via a mobile device or via their SMTP.

Augmerson

kaimera wrote: »

Aug, I see you on g+.

lulz.

Against my will!