Pylons

Kippure

As a person who works within the electrical industry I see why they are building a amazing power grid system.

Our high quality power system will attract lots of company,s to set up here.

However what I see is Ireland becoming a Industrial power source for Europe. Exporting power.

Just a place to generate free power through renewables for Other countries.

Making Eirgrid a very wealthy company.

None of which will benefit local people who will have a lot of pylons passing through there land and wind farms in there areas.


The best place for Wind farms is miles out at sea or on remote Islands

Robbo

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Walls don't emit electro magnetic radiation

They might. There's no proof that they don't.

I'm sick of the paid shills from the wall lobby. Keep you in all the bricks and mortar you can eat, do they? Pay you to push the pro-wall, anti-other-means-of-stopping-the-roof-falling agenda? Bloody Fifth Columnists.

seamus

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Walls don't emit electro magnetic radiation

They do however emit gamma radiation as a source of radon. Which is why it's so important that buildings are properly vented to prevent the buildup of radon gas.

You don't seem very worried about this far more obvious source of danger they're building everywhere.

Blahblah2012

seamus wrote: »

They do however emit gamma radiation as a source of radon. Which is why it's so important that buildings are properly vented to prevent the buildup of radon gas.

You don't seem very worried about this far more obvious source of danger they're building everywhere.

Radon gas comes up from under ground in areas where there's a bedrock of granite. It's not emitted by concrete blocks.
Who said I amn't worried about radon gas? You make one hell of a lot of assumptions!! Straw man

Blahblah2012

Robbo wrote: »

They might. There's no proof that they don't.

I'm sick of the paid shills from the wall lobby. Keep you in all the bricks and mortar you can eat, do they? Pay you to push the pro-wall, anti-other-means-of-stopping-the-roof-falling agenda? Bloody Fifth Columnists.

Well said robbo..whatever you're talking about. It's not bricks and mortar that you eat..you're more like the human centipede..and Enda is in front of you giving you the daily mouthful.

Blahblah2012

Now I'm going to reiterate my original argument and say that I'm not against an upgraded grid..I just believe that such a massive undertaking should be done properly, unlike many projects that have been carried out in this country over the last number of years.

The people that are directly affected by this should not be bullied and ignored. Their concerns are justified and they don't deserve the ridicule of the small number of gobsh1tes on here and elsewhere.

micosoft

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

There's no evidence that 400kva power lines are safe. ZERO. You fail to supply the evidence to back up your comparison with a PC and wireless connection.
You make childish smart arsed comments that deserve no reply(very much like the gob****e running the country makes on a regular basis).

You can't prove something does not exist. There is a lovely article on your argument from ignorance here.

But you did reply! With regard to childish and smart arsed I refer to all of your posts on this topic. As in right in the post you accused me of same...

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

The people who are affected by these pylons don't want them on their property and you and your government monkeys are trying to force them to accept them.

So you are trying to force people into complying against their will. If this was a sexual matter..it would be called RAPE.

Blahblah2012

micosoft wrote: »

You can't prove something does not exist. There is a lovely article on your argument from ignorance here.

But you did reply! With regard to childish and smart arsed I refer to all of your posts on this topic. As in right in the post you accused me of same...

You(and your ilk) are prepared to walk all over others to get what you want. Cut out the bulls1t and merry-go-rounds and get with the program(outlined in my previous post)

micosoft

Kippure wrote: »

As a person who works within the electrical industry I see why they are building a amazing power grid system.

Our high quality power system will attract lots of company,s to set up here.

Great! More jobs in the regions!

Kippure wrote: »

However what I see is Ireland becoming a Industrial power source for Europe. Exporting power.

Just a place to generate free power through renewables for Other countries.

As well as supplying our own power. The thing is, wind sometimes blows in Ireland, sometimes it doesn't. We import electricity from the UK and France right now as well as pretty much all our gas.

Anyway, since when is exporting a bad thing?

Kippure wrote: »

Making Eirgrid a very wealthy company.

Untrue. Eirgrid are state owned and non-profit. Makes no odds other then the slightly size of the organisation. TBH ESB Networks and other engineering companies will gain far far far far more then Eirgrid. I really don't understand the Eirgrid conspiracy stuff. If they are being malevolent surely they would propose the undergrounding as it means more money and staff...

Kippure wrote: »

None of which will benefit local people who will have a lot of pylons passing through there land and wind farms in there areas.

They already benefit - they already get electricity that has run over pylons. It's like the guys in the midlands complaining that they did not benefit from the motorways. It's simply a NIMBY argument and not acceptable. Somebody has to live beside the pylon, powerstation, sewerage plant, dump, firestation, prison etc etc etc. Nobody has a god given right to not paying any of the costs of modern life.

Kippure wrote: »

The best place for Wind farms is miles out at sea or on remote Islands

Not necessarily. It's very expensive and difficult to erect wind farms in the sea. You would substantially increase the per KW cost. Like everything you need a mix and land based turbines are part of that.

micosoft

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

You(and your ilk) are prepared to walk all over others to get what you want. Cut out the bulls1t and merry-go-rounds and get with the program(outlined in my previous post)

I can see why you feel you are not being listened to when you can't write a coherent sentence. "Cut out the bulls1t and merry-go-rounds" LOL

Blahblah2012

micosoft wrote: »

I can see why you feel you are not being listened to when you can't write a coherent sentence. "Cut out the bulls1t and merry-go-rounds" LOL

I can see that it's what you are full of and what you are stuck on. The shoe fits.
You only argue what suits you and ignore the rest. A man of the people..you most certainly are not!

THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT THESE PYLONS ON THEIR LAND. Are you deaf,blind or thick? Or a combination of these?

almighty1

micosoft wrote: »

Untrue. Eirgrid are state owned and non-profit. Makes no odds other then the slightly size of the organisation. TBH ESB Networks and other engineering companies will gain far far far far more then Eirgrid. I really don't understand the Eirgrid conspiracy stuff. If they are being malevolent surely they would propose the undergrounding as it means more money and staff...

Eirgid are currently state owned but will soon be privatised, currently abusing their power before they are thrown out into the wide world.

almighty1

Yes Yes people pylons directly equate to more jobs. Sure why don't we stick up a load of pylons and boom.........recession over. Happy days. :rolleyes:

seamus

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT THESE PYLONS ON THEIR LAND. Are you deaf,blind or thick? Or a combination of these?

You can't always get what you want.

The people who will get these pylons on their land will be amply compensated for the inconvenience.

Blahblah2012

seamus wrote: »

You can't always get what you want.

That also applies to your own argument.

seamus wrote: »

The people who will get these pylons on their land will be amply compensated for the inconvenience.

Rubbish.

almighty1

Billy86 wrote: »

Do you have any studies to show how they have affected housing prices, by how much, etc where they do exist though? And likewise for tourism?

Can you find any studies that dumps, nuclear power plants, motorways, airports etc affect housing prices? No? Well its common accepted and purely common sense that they do adversely affect house prices.

Why need a study for something that's purely common sense?

almighty1

seamus wrote: »

The people who will get these pylons on their land will be amply compensated for the inconvenience.

The farmers who may have these pylons on their land don't want the compensation. 97% of farmers on the north-south interconnector refused Eirgrid access to their land for pre-planning analysis.

Obviously not the behaviour of people who are blinded by dollars :rolleyes:

Blahblah2012

almighty1 wrote: »

Can you find any studies that dumps, nuclear power plants, motorways, airports etc affect housing prices? No? Well its common accepted and purely common sense that they do adversely affect house prices.

Why need a study for something that's purely common sense?

These people lack that common sense. What they have in common is GREED.
They also belong to the "fûck anyone that gets in our way" brigade.

seamus

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

Rubbish.

Nope. The government can't just build something on your land. There are legal hoops to jump through, and compensation to pay.

You can fantasise about the hard-pressed landowner, but there will be nobody left worse off by pylons being built.

The farmers who may have these pylons on their land don't want the compensation. 97% of farmers on the north-south interconnector refused Eirgrid access to their land for pre-planning analysis.

Obviously not the behaviour of people who are blinded by dollars

I never said they were blinded by dollars, just that they'd be amply compensated. It's not like they're having their first born child or their legs taken away. It's just land. It has monetary value which can be realised and compensated for ethically.

almighty1

seamus wrote: »

but there will be nobody left worse off by pylons being built.

Devaluation of property is just one reason.

Blahblah2012

seamus wrote: »

Nope. The government can't just build something on your land. There are legal hoops to jump through, and compensation to pay.

They do what they want. That has been blatantly obvious for years.

"seamus wrote: »

You can fantasise about the hard-pressed landowner, but there will be nobody left worse off by pylons being built.

THEY DON'T WANT THE PYLONS AND THEY DON'T WANT COMPO!!

Find some money hungry and gullible gombeen who does and come back to us!! I mean you can't be the only one..your not alone on here.

almighty1

seamus wrote: »

I never said they were blinded by dollars, just that they'd be amply compensated. It's not like they're having their first born child or their legs taken away. It's just land. It has monetary value which can be realised and compensated for ethically.

Well the farmers still don't want compensation. Its not all about the money. Cattle and horses wont graze under HV pylons. Huge stretches of farming lands may become useless to a farmer whose family may have owned that land for 100s of years. It's not really hitting home that money or compensation isn't the real issue here, is it?

micosoft

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

I can see that it's what you are full of and what you are stuck on. The shoe fits.
You only argue what suits you and ignore the rest. A man of the people..you most certainly are not!

THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT THESE PYLONS ON THEIR LAND. Are you deaf,blind or thick? Or a combination of these?

Again, incoherent bluster. I'd suggest not querying the intelligence of others when you have difficulty making a simple case.

For the record. I have no affiliation to Eirgrid or any other electrical supporting or generating company or anyone working for them.
On the other hand I live 40 metres from a HV cable and grew up 30 meters away. So I walk the walk unlike yourself.

You don't represent the people. You represent a tiny minority of people with an entitlement complex. You have a view that you can benefit from the electricity that runs over the pylons beside me but not pay any price for that.

So the answer to your tantrum is simple. We hear your incoherent argument, the made up lies and reject them. The pylons will go through eventually, just like the pipe in the corrib, just like water charges, just like the motorways, just like the sewerage plant in dublin bay and so on. Because this is necessary infrastructure and you argument boils down to NIMBYism.

As another poster suggested - most of this is about grasping for handouts of cash.

mr kr0nik

SV wrote: »

Don't mind them at all, anyway, pylons can be amazing looking..if they wanted them to be
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxPG6y8Qctk/TJj54ZCcVjI/AAAAAAAAgJs/jCzalKCwl9U/s800/Giant+Pylon+Men+-+Land+of+Giants+(2).jpg

Oh, I thought you meant one of these...

http://www.5wpr.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/pile-on.jpg

micosoft

almighty1 wrote: »

Well the farmers still don't want compensation. Its not all about the money. Cattle and horses wont graze under HV pylons. Huge stretches of farming lands may become useless to a farmer whose family may have owned that land for 100s of years.

Yes. They. Will. Utter nonsense. Look into a field with pylons and look at the animals grazing. In fact - buy a picture of them here

seamus

almighty1 wrote: »

Devaluation of property is just one reason.

It's a myth. Have you any evidence to show that pylons devalue property?

Blahblah2012 wrote: »

They do what they want. That has been blatantly obvious for years.
THEY DON'T WANT THE PYLONS AND THEY DON'T WANT COMPO!!

So, it's really just a tantrum-throwing exercise then? Like I say, you can't always get what you want. Such is life.
The pylons are necessary. It's called essential infrastructure. If someone doesn't want them, they need actual reasons beyond, "I don't like it".

almighty1

micosoft wrote: »

Yes. They. Will. Utter nonsense. Look into a field with pylons and look at the animals grazing. In fact - buy a picture of them here

I've seen that pic before. The pylons are photoshop'ed onto that picture and its an atrocious attempt too.

You won't see cattle or horses graze up 400kv lines.

Blahblah2012

micosoft wrote: »

Again, incoherent bluster. I'd suggest not querying the intelligence of others when you have difficulty making a simple case.

Right on rocket man.

micosoft wrote: »

For the record. I have no affiliation to Eirgrid or any other electrical supporting or generating company or anyone working for them.
On the other hand I live 40 metres from a HV cable and grew up 30 meters away. So I walk the walk unlike yourself.

So that's what's wrong with you. Hmm. I knew there was something askew.

As for living 40 metres away from one and growing up 30 meteres from one?(did your mother leave you outside to fend for yourself when you started showing the early symptoms of your current condition?)
Did she sing "my lovely pylon" to you at night?

also more assumptions as to whether I live beside one or not. A bit of a habit with making assumptions you have.

micosoft wrote: »

You don't represent the people. You represent a tiny minority of people with an entitlement complex. You have a view that you can benefit from the electricity that runs over the pylons beside me but not pay any price for that.

More assumptions

micosoft wrote: »

So the answer to your tantrum is simple. We hear your incoherent argument, the made up lies and reject them. The pylons will go through eventually, just like the pipe in the corrib, just like water charges, just like the motorways, just like the sewerage plant in dublin bay and so on. Because this is necessary infrastructure and you argument boils down to NIMBYism.

We hear? Are you speaking for everyone? Notions of grandeur me thinks!!!

micosoft wrote: »

As another poster suggested - most of this is about grasping for handouts of cash.

Bullsh1t...they don't want the cash or the pylons. FACT!!

almighty1

seamus wrote: »

It's a myth. Have you any evidence to show that pylons devalue property?

Of course they do. Especially in the country. Its common sense.

Do you have evidence to show that motorways, airports, dumps etc devalue the price of houses in their proximity?

Blahblah2012

seamus wrote: »

It's a myth. Have you any evidence to show that pylons devalue property?
So, it's really just a tantrum-throwing exercise then? Like I say, you can't always get what you want. Such is life.
The pylons are necessary. It's called essential infrastructure. If someone doesn't want them, they need actual reasons beyond, "I don't like it".

97% of the people along the route don't want them. That doesn't equate to "someone"