Season 4, Episode 5 - Internment [AMC] [Spoilers]

Cork boy 55

Season 4, Episode 5 - Internment [AMC] [Spoilers]

Airtime USA AMC
November 10, 2013

Tagline
"Assorted enemies pressure Rick and the group; the survivors and the prison may reach a breaking point."

The Walking Dead 4x05 Promo Internment HD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJwfg5UEteM

The Walking Dead 4x05 Sneak Peek "Internment" (HD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rJ9QtUZSjU

Cork boy 55

It was really good. Lots of edge of the seat action
I'm still processing. Heavy, heavy episode. Great action. Great emotion. Loved it.
There's about 20 left in prison out of 45 and the governor back next week.

Hank Scorpio

brilliant episode definately the best of the season so far for me, pacing was spot on and a nice little surprise ending

ardinn

Dont think the guv will be with us next week, maybe just a little reminder that he is still here!!

FortuneChip

"Look dad, I didn't have to use my gun"
"Well done Carl. This here is an M16"

Good episode, pretty cliche ridden!
But it complimented last week's episode well. Two strong eps in a row!

LandoCalrissian

Thought it was a very good episode which had a lot of suspense throughout

I am looking forward to seeing Daryl confronting Rick re: Carol

Also good to see the threat of the The Gov returning

RoyalMarine

LandoCalrissian wrote: »

Thought it was a very good episode which had a lot of suspense throughout

I am looking forward to seeing Daryl confronting Rick re: Carol

Also good to see the threat of the The Gov returning

I'm looking forward to tyreese confronting both Rick and Daryl over it. Daryl is gonna be very defensive but Tyreese is out for blood.

Lone Stone

Loved it, i was actually disappointed Glen didnt die although he is one my most liked characters. I think the show really needs a core member to die, and death from disease would have been more potent than going out my a walker. The whole red coat thing kills the survival theme.

And am i only one who went of for fep sake when they saw the Governor i really had my fill of that ****e last season. I hope they just put a bullet in his head at the start of the next episode and move on.

Liamalone

Good to see some drama for a change in this episode, enjoyed it but then aul one eye had to show up

irishfeen

Excellent episode - really enjoyed it ... the gov appearance and the whole Carol situation sets it up lovely for next week.

pixelburp

I was honestly expecting Hershel, Glenn or Maggie to die in that episode; those scenes when the fence broke and Maggie struggled to break into the prison wing, I thought they were building up the drama so that someone would be offed by the marauding walkers. In fact when he went onto the netting to get the breathing aparatus off that walker, that's when I figured Hershel'd be bitten.

Honestly though, I'm glad they're ok & considering how often Walking Dead likes to see that 'no good deed goes unpunished' it's nice that for once simple humanity and decency is rewarded, not pummelled into the ground. Sure it's more than a little convenient extras are the ones to die from the illness - it's an extremely cheap mechanic - but at the same time the show needs some glimmers of light; relentless gloom is a bore. But hey - it's surely a compliment that I thought characters were in genuine trouble; it's a good sign the tension and script was doing a good job.

leggo

I thought I knew where the series was going (same place as the comics), and the Governor showing up would've confirmed that for me had it happened last week, but they kinda covered that angle this week didn't they? It'd feel like they did the same thing twice if they go that route now.

Anyway, best episode of the series so far for me. It felt like a finale, which is odd since I wasn't prepared for an action-packed episode and it all kind of unravelled. Was genuinely screaming at the TV when it looked like Herschel and Glen were done for. I guess I care about those characters more than I thought.

Jason Todd

Yeah, really enjoyed that episode, had a bit of everything. I always find modern music played during the show jars with me a little bit, feels out of place, but that was a nice Ben Howard song that featured. Herschel was great, I thought the ep would revolve around him solely, which I wouldn't have minded, but the Rick/Carl situation with the fence really took me by surprise!

Personally I look forward to the Governor coming back. Be interesting to see what he's done between now and the last time we saw him. And like people have already mentioned, the Carol/ Tyreese/ Daryl story is set to feature too.

The season has definitely moved up a gear.

Gehad_JoyRider

about time

good story to what felt like a slow pace

niallon

By the looks of his getup, evil look, burning fire etc, we're getting the real Governer we should have got last season, not this fecking Phillip who loves his daughter nonsense.

Anyone looking for character deaths this season, I'd suggest to expect them at the hands of the Governer.

Great episode in my book, tension was unbareable and though I agree with those saying a core character has to go, but they managed to pace things this week in such a way that nothing seemed like an obvious close call situation.

Even Rick and Carl wiping out that horde with ease made total sense, two of the best shooters, doing their job calm and composed.

Lovely Bloke

Good episode, I wonder is it just a little reminder that the Governor is still out there, or is he back now.

I felt sorry for Herschel when he had to do the job, but what's the story there - has he not dispatched any Zeds up to now or what? Even when he had them in the back room he was reluctant.

Proper edge of seat stuff with him on the netting too, very well done.

sparkthatbled

I have to say, coming into this season i was very cynical and assumed i wouldn't be watching it for much longer, but they have really turned it around. If they keep up the momentum i will be very happy! Good storylines but i think they are still somewhat hamstrung regarding how many or which main characters they can kill off because there is such a small core group there. Unless they develop a few minor characters (without it being a prelude to them being killed off) we probably wont get much in the way of shocking deaths...

Junco Partner

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I felt sorry for Herschel when he had to do the job, but what's the story there - has he not dispatched any Zeds up to now or what? Even when he had them in the back room he was reluctant.

I think it was because that up to now nearly all the walkers they've been dispatching have been nameless zeds but now it's their own who are turning and after herschel has fought so hard to save everyone in quarantine and still loses nearly ten you can understand why he seems reluctant to put them down. That things had really looked like they were working out with the fence holding back the zeds and the farm and have a flu wipe out 20 odd of them must weigh heavily on him too.

Cantona's Collars

One of the best episodes of this series so far,IIRC Herschel never killed a z up close & personal like that & it really bothered him especially having worked to save so many.

After Rick & Carl got rid of the z's coming through the fence I wonder will they actually use the bus as mentioned or will it be conveniently be forgotten?
The constantly allowing masses of z's to pile up at the fence was stupid,it wouldn't take much to lure them away,we saw Rick do it with the pigs,why not lure them a few miles out or else just take turns clearing them from outside the fence from the safety of the bus?
I know the element of the threat from outside needs to be there but it's lazy writing to have these hardened zombie killers in the one place & they can't come up with a plan to clear them before they broke the fence.

Quick question,what was the song being sung twice in the ep?

The Master

Will try and get a screen grab later on..
But did anybody else notice when Rick and Carl were getting guns to kill the zombie pack, was that a huge bin full of boxes of ammo beside the bins with the guns?

Cantona's Collars

The Master wrote: »

Will try and get a screen grab later on..
But did anybody else notice when Rick and Carl were getting guns to kill the zombie pack, was that a huge bin full of boxes of ammo beside the bins with the guns?

There was,they are well stocked but I suppose they don't need to waste ammo on z's unless absolutely needed,even when the z's came through the fence the two of them didn't just blast wildly at them & waste bullets.

Cantona's Collars

The Master wrote: »

Will try and get a screen grab later on..
But did anybody else notice when Rick and Carl were getting guns to kill the zombie pack, was that a huge bin full of boxes of ammo beside the bins with the guns?

There was,they are well stocked but I suppose they don't need to waste ammo on z's unless absolutely needed,even when the z's came through the fence the two of them didn't just blast wildly at them & waste bullets.

IvySlayer

The saddest part was the poor doggie alone eating a walker

Sarz91

IvySlayer wrote: »

The saddest part was the poor doggie alone eating a walker

I'm surprised they haven't tried to keep a dog yet. Better at keeping watch than Glen and Maggie.

IvySlayer

Sarz91 wrote: »

I'm surprised they haven't tried to keep a dog yet. Better at keeping watch than Glen and Maggie.

I remember seeing dogs at Woodbury

Yakuza

zerks wrote: »

There was,they are well stocked but I suppose they don't need to waste ammo on z's unless absolutely needed,even when the z's came through the fence the two of them didn't just blast wildly at them & waste bullets.

To me that was a (minor) plot hole - if they were so well stocked with ammo, why not cull the herd a bit?.

In general, though, I thought it was a great episode, the sequence in the cell block was real edge-of-the-seat stuff, I was sure at least one of the regular crew was going to bite the dust / cough up their lungs (looking at you, Glenn!)

brandom

zerks wrote: »

One of the best episodes of this series so far...

Quick question,what was the song being sung twice in the ep?

Agree with you, good episode.
I think the song you are asking about is Oats in the Water, by Ben Howard

trickymicky

Best episode so far. Didnt think i would get into this season considering the disappointment of season three but so far its been brilliant.

PhiloCypher

Yakuza wrote: »

To me that was a (minor) plot hole - if they were so well stocked with ammo, why not cull the herd a bit?.

In general, though, I thought it was a great episode, the sequence in the cell block was real edge-of-the-seat stuff, I was sure at least one of the regular crew was going to bite the dust / cough up their lungs (looking at you, Glenn!)

Gunfire would just attract more so guns would be a last resort. Sure It was Carl shooting Shane that attracted the herd that tore through the farm.

pixelburp

Yeah, the mention of those guns outside reminded me: isn't storing weapons and ammunition outside a really stupid idea? Wouldn't they all just corrode and rust in the humid Georgian air and from all the likely rainfall? It just seemed to me like a really lazy plot contrivance; oh no, we need to shoot these walkers - hey let's use this convenient box of guns!

DublinArnie

Great episode! I got chills when glen was dying, glad he didn't die! Roll on next week also I'm glad the governor is back, I have a feeling the next few episodes will be tense!

Paddy Cow

Great episode. Looking forward to next week to see how Tyrese and Daryl take the news of what Carol did and where she is now. Not sure how I feel about the Govenor coming back. I hope Michonne gets to kill him.

Cork boy 55

pixelburp wrote: »

Yeah, the mention of those guns outside reminded me: isn't storing weapons and ammunition outside a really stupid idea? Wouldn't they all just corrode and rust in the humid Georgian air and from all the likely rainfall? It just seemed to me like a really lazy plot contrivance; oh no, we need to shoot these walkers - hey let's use this convenient box of guns!

The box of guns was on wheels IIRC
Why is it a plot contrivance ?
Who said the guns where stored there permanently?

of course they where not, they where not even covered
They must have moved them there recently by Maggie or Rick as staffing levels fell at prison in last day for exactly what happened , just because something is not explained or showed does not make it a is not a plot contrivance

It would be stupid if it was explained they stored their guns and ammo out in the outside all the time but that's not the case

pixelburp

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

The box of guns was on wheels IIRC
Why is it a plot contrivance ?
Who said the guns where stored there permanently?

of course they where not, they where not even covered
They must have moved them there recently by Maggie or Rick as staffing levels fell at prison in last day for exactly what happened , just because something is not explained or showed does not make it a is not a plot contrivance

It would be stupid if it was explained they stored their guns and ammo out in the outside all the time but that's not the case

It's a plot contrivance because having been put into an immediate and serious amount of danger, Rick & Carl's solution is conveniently to hand. Like, they barely had to abandon their position and could saunter over to the convenient Bin O' Guns. That's just lazy scripting. The scenes in the prison were incredibly tense and dramatic precisely because things appeared to spiral out of control through chaos and bad timing, with characters reacting to the ever-escalating crisis - I think we all fretted that Glenn/Hershel/Maggie mightn't make it. The events outside felt orchestrated and an excuse for some Rick/Carl development with absolutely zero sense of danger.

It's not a question that something isn't explained, it's just a little jarring that an answer to a dramatic problem is dropped straight into the story without any organic context or pretext. That's contrived. Yes, 100% of fiction is contrived, but to me it felt like a case of the writers going "oh crap, we've got the Walkers breaking in and only Rick / Carl around to stop things. Uhm... uhhh.. ok, there's a ammo store just nearby. Perfect."

And if something like that requires excessive explanation similar to your own (and why exactly would you store guns outside even temporarily, especially when the prison's already vulnerable to attack from the inside) then the scriptwriters failed Don't get me wrong, I generally loved the episode for what happened inside the prison, the Box O' Guns was just a bit daft.

Cork boy 55

Its not a box its a wheeled container
It is where it should be , A prepostioned emergency weapons store on the wire.
as its has been pre-placed there due to low staffing FOR JUST SUCH an eventually a walker breakin of the wire.
it does not have be explained that there are rifles predispositioned on the wire that's where some of their weapons should be,
It basic security , They where numerous weapons in the sick block as seen
Its not a "contrivance","scriptwriters failing" , or "daft"

pixelburp

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

Its not a box its a wheeled container

Jeez. Box, bin, wheeled container, receptacle, gun hole - whatever. It's kinda missing the point I was trying to make. You think it's all part of the grand, unspoken prison strategy, fine. Unless it featured at some point in an earlier episode, I disagree and think it's a case of Checkov's Gun without the gun actually appearing before being fired.

We'll agree to disagree because like I said, I otherwise enjoyed the episode.

Wanderer2010

That was a better episode than last week but considering how slow and sluggish the first few episodes were thats not saying much..

My main worry about next week is how long they will drag out the meeting between the Governor and the Prison (deja vu here, so much of Season 3 ALREADY covered this "two camps at war" theme)- I would bet money that the next ep will be all about what our friendly Governor has been up to between heading off with his 2 sidekicks and up to now. This really feels like a rehashed enemy drafted in to lengthen a script and I would be surprised to see any of our normal crew next week. How much of a threat is the Governor now? I mean, shouldnt he have better things to do than looking to settle a few very old scores??

Elsewhere, the prison scenes were done well and had a few tense moments. Hershel was on top form this episode as he finally crossed into the dark side and gave up a piece of his soul. I knew Glenn wasnt going to die, I think thats the theme this season, the element if suspense is just gone. You know Rick isnt gonna die coz hes the show, they need to drag Tyreese and Sasha out another while so they are safe and Maggie and Glen are central characters. Last season you never knew who would die and it kept the show fresh, this season is turning into a soap opera set in a singular location with boring enemies and no end point in mind...its in trouble for sure. This is a crucial season.

Witcher

Hershel's a hero:pac:

Gbear

zerks wrote: »

After Rick & Carl got rid of the z's coming through the fence I wonder will they actually use the bus as mentioned or will it be conveniently be forgotten?

When Carl asked "Will that hold them" I presumed that Rick's silence suggested the answer was "no" and that's why they decided to just shoot the **** out of them instead.

Great episode.

Could kinda feel that something was going to happen in the last scene - Herschel or Rick suddenly getting bitten and having to lop off a limb or something. None of the main characters died so there was a lack of bad things happening to set up later episodes.

Bit silly the gov just standing in the road. What if they had sentries up? And just ****ing shot him in the face? Could mean he's been watching them.

NufcNavan

Good episode.

All well done apart from the fence scene.

The walkers were ferocious when they broke down the fence and chased Rick and Carl back behind the safety door, but of course they go back to crawling pace once Rick and Carl obtain M16s.

GAAman

Gbear wrote: »

Bit silly the gov just standing in the road. What if they had sentries up? And just ****ing shot him in the face? Could mean he's been watching them.

I took the rats left by the fences in an earlier ep to be the governor leaving them there to weaken the fence and be a general b*lix!

FortuneChip

GAAman wrote: »

I took the rats left by the fences in an earlier ep to be the governor leaving them there to weaken the fence and be a general b*lix!

He's more of a cheeky rascal than a nemesis!

I don't see how they can plausibly make him as much of a threat as last season.
He's lost his numbers, he's lost his safe-zone, he's lost his mind.

The only viable option is to make him "So crazy, he's capable of anything"
But even then, surely it's come to the point he threatens their safety, Rick will just shoot him?

Carol returning as Sarah Connor in the last episode of the season with Sophia's t-shirt as a bandana would be a fitting finale

Zero-Cool

Nice little nod to the comics at the very start when it showed Ricks bandaged hand on the steering wheel hiding his fingers. Looked just like his

stump

in the comics

Jason Todd

sheehy83 wrote: »

Nice little nod to the comics at the very start when it showed Ricks bandaged hand on the steering wheel hiding his fingers. Looked just like his

stump

in the comics

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that! I tried to tell my girlfriend the significance of the whole thing when I realised it and got all excited, but she wasn't having any of it! :pac:

Zero-Cool

Jason Todd wrote: »

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that! I tried to tell my girlfriend the significance of the whole thing when I realised it and got all excited, but she wasn't having any of it! :pac:

HAHA I did the exact same thing.

I'm glad most of the woodbury crowd (if not all) were killed off and they have medicine now, can get over this illness phase. Will be interesting how the Governor plans to interact with them, keep sabotaging their defenses until the gang are forced to leave the prison? I think they will abandon the prison at the mid season finale.

A Neurotic

sheehy83 wrote: »

HAHA I did the exact same thing.

I'm glad most of the woodbury crowd (if not all) were killed off and they have medicine now, can get over this illness phase. Will be interesting how the Governor plans to interact with them, keep sabotaging their defenses until the gang are forced to leave the prison? I think they will abandon the prison at the mid season finale.

Oh bollocks, is there going to be a stupid mid-season hiatus? I hate those...

5starpool

A Neurotic wrote: »

Oh bollocks, is there going to be a stupid mid-season hiatus? I hate those...

Probably another 2-3 month hiatus between Ep 8 and 9 again I'd imagine. Annoying, but there you go. Makes the end of season to start of season one shorter is the one bright side.

A Neurotic

I'm hoping Maggie absorbs Andrea's character from the comics, much like Herschel channeling Dale. It's a shame they'd already overtly established TV Andrea as a sharpshooter, as she never really got to utilise it PEW PEW PEW style. A waste.

sparkthatbled

Wikipedia has the usual hiatus scheduled, but as usual we'll have the end of the season running into the start of the new season of game of thrones.

5starpool

I've read the comics so doesn't matter to me personally, but I'd guess a lot of people would prefer if the comic talk was kept to a minimum, just in case.

Gbear

GAAman wrote: »

I took the rats left by the fences in an earlier ep to be the governor leaving them there to weaken the fence and be a general b*lix!

No they were left by that dopey girl who keeps petting the zombies and giving them names.