The girl found on O'Connell Street

Missyelliot2

The gardai have just realeased a (grainy) picture of the girl found on O'Connell Street.
They can't seem to identify where she's from - this seems very strange, unless she's just not speaking at all.
Surely there must be some way her native language could be identified?

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

The gardai have just realeased a (grainy) picture of the girl found on O'Connell Street.
They can't seem to identify where she's from - this seems very strange, unless she's just not speaking at all.
Surely there must be some way her native language could be identified?

The reason she is not talking may not be a language difficulty, it may be related to the trauma which she has suffered.

jimmii

It does seem strange she was taken in to care 10 days ago I guess they are just being very delicate with her due to what seems to have happened.

mikom

Pic, for those interested.............. http://img.rasset.ie/000816c9-642.jpg

sparksfly

Hope she gets sorted out and is given whatever help she needs.

hawkelady

I really hope this pic will help this girl be reunited with her family .. It's such a terrible story that's emerging , I'm still really puzzled why the hse tried to challenge the releasing the pic.
Surely after the guards exhausted all means they could this was the obvious next step.
Again I hope the girl overcomes what has happened her and hopefully will lead a normal life

Roger_007

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

The gardai have just realeased a (grainy) picture of the girl found on O'Connell Street.
They can't seem to identify where she's from - this seems very strange, unless she's just not speaking at all.
Surely there must be some way her native language could be identified?

Surely they could have released a better photo...unless they were trying to take the photo without her being aware of it.
I find the whole thing very strange. There have been suggestions that she was "trafficked" here; but how? Unless she has some intellectual disability, how could she not be able to say where she has come from, even by pointing at a map.

testicle

Roger_007 wrote: »

Unless she has some intellectual disability, how could she not be able to say where she has come from, even by pointing at a map.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-shehori/poll-37-of-americans-unab_b_150933.html

Bogota

How can the guards not establish what language she is speaking?


That is a complete joke. Ineptitude of an out of this world scale. Jesus christ.

old hippy

testicle wrote: »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-shehori/poll-37-of-americans-unab_b_150933.html

Can please we try not to turn this into one of those threads where everyone feels superior to Americans?

Dravokivich

Bogota wrote: »

How can the guards not establish what language she is speaking?


That is a complete joke. Ineptitude of an out of this world scale. Jesus christ.

Why don't you just storm on in there, listen for a bit and tell'em?

Duvetdays

I really don't understand all this. The picture is crap they should've released a clear picture of her facing the camera. From reports I've read it says she agrees with her picture being released but then they say she doesn't speak English.

Surely they could bring in some Eastern European speaking interpreters to speak to her. I also don't see how she doesn't know where she came from or her family unless she's been with traffickers for the last 8 or so years but if she has been with traffickers for a long time I couldn't see them getting braces on her teeth or her hair highlighted.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Bogota wrote: »

How can the guards not establish what language she is speaking?


That is a complete joke. Ineptitude of an out of this world scale. Jesus christ.

How is it a joke, she is traumatised, what do you want the Guards to do, torture her until she speaks?:mad:

syklops

Roger_007 wrote: »

here; but how? Unless she has some intellectual disability, how could she not be able to say where she has come from, even by pointing at a map.

Well what if she was abducted when she was very young, like 3-4 and given only basic education? My aunt was a social worker and she worked in a care home in the UK and she said they had kids who were 15 and 16 who could not tell the time and had never looked at maps before. These were British kids. If she has been trafficked here from somewhere abroad theres no telling what she has been through.

mitosis

testicle wrote: »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-shehori/poll-37-of-americans-unab_b_150933.html

Did you not read the bit AT THE TOP where it says "This post is satire"?

Dravokivich

Duvetdays wrote: »

I really don't understand all this. The picture is crap they should've released a clear picture of her facing the camera. From reports I've read it says she agrees with her picture being released but then they say she doesn't speak English.

Point a camera at here and determine based on her reaction.

Duvetdays wrote: »

Surely they could bring in some Eastern European speaking interpreters to speak to her. I also don't see how she doesn't know where she came from or her family unless she's been with traffickers for the last 8 or so years but if she has been with traffickers for a long time I couldn't see them getting braces on her teeth or her hair highlighted.

What tells us it's Eastern European?

MadYaker

Was anyone listening to Pat Kenny there? Apparently she is speaking but they can't find anyone who is able to determine what language. Seems very strange.

Theres what, 3 universities in Dublin? They must be able to find people who are experts on all sorts of obscure languages, even if she is speaking a strange dialect they might be able to give an educated guess.

godtabh

mikom wrote: »

Pic, for those interested.............. http://img.rasset.ie/000816c9-642.jpg

Could they not get a better photo?

Uriel.

Duvetdays wrote: »

I really don't understand all this. The picture is crap they should've released a clear picture of her facing the camera. From reports I've read it says she agrees with her picture being released but then they say she doesn't speak English.

Surely they could bring in some Eastern European speaking interpreters to speak to her. I also don't see how she doesn't know where she came from or her family unless she's been with traffickers for the last 8 or so years but if she has been with traffickers for a long time I couldn't see them getting braces on her teeth or her hair highlighted.

The picture is the one thing I find difficult to understand.

But she's been in care now for quite awhile, I am sure that have been trying to get her to speak, but for whatever reason, trauma etc. she hasn't. I am sure the Gardai/Care workers haven't just been sitting around feeding and watering her in the hope she'll just talk

If she was trafficked, and she's been used as a sex slave (God, I hope not) then her captors may well have got those things done -
Highlights to make her more appealing punters
same with braces, either to make her more appealing - or to make her look younger again..... :mad: I feel sick even thinking that.

Eight Ball

FFs. They have her there for a week and thats the best photo they have of her?

MadYaker

They need to record her speaking and put it all over the internet. Someone will be able to identify the language eventually.

SEPT 23 1989

Maybe she has a mental disability and that's why she can't be understood

strandroad

Duvetdays wrote: »

I really don't understand all this. The picture is crap they should've released a clear picture of her facing the camera. From reports I've read it says she agrees with her picture being released but then they say she doesn't speak English.

Surely they could bring in some Eastern European speaking interpreters to speak to her. I also don't see how she doesn't know where she came from or her family unless she's been with traffickers for the last 8 or so years but if she has been with traffickers for a long time I couldn't see them getting braces on her teeth or her hair highlighted.

She might be traumatised and does not want to be traced back to her tormentors. She may not remember her hometown/family if she was taken young and is not educated. Her language skills may be very poor for that reason, she might have been in captivity for years for all we know. Of course that traffickers would do her hair or teeth if they could sell her better for that...

syklops

Uriel. wrote: »

The picture is the one thing I find difficult to understand.

But she's been in care now for quite awhile, I am sure that have been trying to get her to speak, but for whatever reason, trauma etc. she hasn't. I am sure the Gardai/Care workers haven't just been sitting around feeding and watering her in the hope she'll just talk

If she was trafficked, and she's been used as a sex slave (God, I hope not) then her captors may well have got those things done -
Highlights to make her more appealing punters
same with braces, either to make her more appealing - or to make her look younger again..... :mad: I feel sick even thinking that.

Its almost certain she has been used as a sex slave because she drew some thoroughly stomach churning pictures when they first found her. I'd say thats why they didn't do a full photo shoot with her. She may not have great memories of camera equipment.

MadYaker

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Maybe she has a mental disability and that's why she can't be understood

Id say medical professionals would surely be able to determine if she's a few bricks short of a wall even if they can't understand what she's saying. Could be wrong though.

jameshayes

she could have been battered thats why they dont have a current photo, they don't want to take one if she's not looking as usual.

ArmaniJeanss

MadYaker wrote: »

They need to record her speaking and put it all over the internet. Someone will be able to identify the language eventually.

That could backfire quite easily depending on what she is actually saying?

jameshayes

she kinda looks like piper from orange is the new black

JP85

Could they not get a map of europe and see if she cant point out where she is from, this is just absolutely shocking stuff

Dravokivich

JP85 wrote: »

Could they not get a map of europe and see if she cant point out where she is from, this is just absolutely shocking stuff

That's only as effective as her level of education.

Yakult

So whats the story? All I see is a teenager and supposedly a horrible story emerging?

Uriel.

syklops wrote: »

Its almost certain she has been used as a sex slave because she drew some thoroughly stomach churning pictures when they first found her. I'd say thats why they didn't do a full photo shoot with her. She may not have great memories of camera equipment.

I hadn't heard that

Harry Angstrom

mikom wrote: »

Pic, for those interested.............. http://img.rasset.ie/000816c9-642.jpg

It's Peaches Geldof.

/case

/thread

Missyelliot2

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

The reason she is not talking may not be a language difficulty, it may be related to the trauma which she has suffered.

That's what I meant!
But where did these pictures come from? They look as they were taken without her knowledge.

Stheno

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

That's what I meant!
But where did these pictures come from? They look as they were taken without her knowledge.

The HSE have said they are concerned about releasing the photo and traumatising her, perhaps they had to take it surreptitiously?

Her guardian ad litem agreed to it being released.

Uriel.

Missyelliot2 wrote: »

That's what I meant!
But where did these pictures come from? They look as they were taken without her knowledge.

CCTV I think

Roger_007

Yakult wrote: »

So whats the story? All I see is a teenager and supposedly a horrible story emerging?

How do they know she is a teenager?. From the photo she could be anything between 15 and 30.

Uriel.

Roger_007 wrote: »

How do they know she is a teenager?. From the photo she could be anything between 15 and 30.

HSE/Gardai say she's 14 or 15. Presumably they have good reason to believe that. Either from the girl herself or from medical examination.

syklops

Yakult wrote: »

So whats the story? All I see is a teenager and supposedly a horrible story emerging?

Teenager found outside the GPO by gardai. Its estimated she is between 14 and 16. Doesnt seem to speak english and they can't identify the language she is speaking. She was given crayons and paper and she drew pictures of a girl on a bed being sexually abused and men paying other men in cash. Thats about all we know.

There is a lot of criticism of the pictures but they are not that bad and as I alluded to earlier if she has been sexually abused, doing a full photo shoot might traumatise her further.

I Heart Internet

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

That could backfire quite easily depending on what she is actually saying?

What's the worst that could happen in this situation? I think it's a good idea.

Roger_007

syklops wrote: »

Teenager found outside the GPO by gardai. Its estimated she is between 14 and 16. Doesnt seem to speak english and they can't identify the language she is speaking. She was given crayons and paper and she drew pictures of a girl on a bed being sexually abused and men paying other men in cash. Thats about all we know.

There is a lot of criticism of the pictures but they are not that bad and as I alluded to earlier if she has been sexually abused, doing a full photo shoot might traumatise her further.

What is the source about the pictures she drew? I haven't heard or read about that before.

bigron2109

All over the one o clock news now. Didn't mention why they used that picture though.

smcgiff

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

It's Peaches Geldof.

/case

/thread

Obligatory lack of prudishness declaration - I see a lot of potential humour where others wouldn't.


While I recognise it's in the after hours forum - I don't see anything other than misery here.

Corkbah

jimmii wrote: »

It does seem strange she was taken in to care 10 days ago I guess they are just being very delicate with her due to what seems to have happened.

10 days ago … I thought she was found on O Connell street ...4 weeks ago…maybe I'm getting my HSE child cases mixed up.

syklops

Roger_007 wrote: »

What is the source about the pictures she drew? I haven't heard or read about that before.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/child-found-outside-gpo-may-have-been-smuggled-into-country-29677046.html

I'm not a big fan of the independent, so here's the journal as well:

http://www.thejournal.ie/gpo-child-sex-trafficked-1139678-Oct2013/

Also the Star mentioned it and they also said she drew a picture of her being filmed on the bed. If this is true then my suspicions regarding the pictures was correct.

http://www.thestar.ie/star/girl-abandoned-in-dublin-may-be-victim-of-sex-traffickers-35003/

joe316

I dont know what the criticism of the Gardai is for, they have no doubt exhausted every single line of information in relation to this poor girl's past and havent been able to put together the pieces and our asking the public if someone recognises her, although anyone recognising her probably won't come forward they probably used her and would in fact be implicating themselves.

And as for those asking get her to point to a map of where she is from, this poor thing was probably taken so young into this horrific life that she has the mental capacity of a toddler, I seriously doubt she could write her name. Also do you think that her capturers spoke nicely to her? She was probably treated worse than the dogs, she wouldnt have been able to pick up more than a few words of whatever language and they probably could have been slang words, making it doublely difficult.

The picture was probably chosen to see if jogs anyone's memory of that day and more than likely she only had a few clothes and these are items she wore regulary and this might help identify her as well.

The authorities in this case (and I hate saying that about the HSE) have actually done their job correctly for once in this case.

Corkbah

Bogota wrote: »

How can the guards not establish what language she is speaking?


That is a complete joke. Ineptitude of an out of this world scale. Jesus christ.

if someone started speaking in a turkmenistan dialect or bulgarian dialect would you be able to identify it ?

while I agree that it shouldn't be hard - where do they start …bring in 15-20 different interpreters and see if they get a match …if that doesn't work….get another 10-15 interpreters.

from looking at the image she could be from anywhere (except maybe the south african/asian parts of the world.)

I'd be thinking they should do a bone marrow test to confirm her age (she is older than 14-16 in my opinion)

Missyelliot2

On the news this morning (Newstalk), it said she was held in the Netherlands for a time, before being brought to Ireland.
Poor kid

testicle

old hippy wrote: »

Can please we try not to turn this into one of those threads where everyone feels superior to Americans?

But we are superior!

mitosis wrote: »

Did you not read the bit AT THE TOP where it says "This post is satire"?

I did. Your point?

syklops

Corkbah wrote: »

I'd be thinking they should do a bone marrow test to confirm her age (she is older than 14-16 in my opinion)

A bone marrow test? You want to subject a traumatised girl to an excruciatingly painful medical procedure to establish her age? What does establishing her age get us?

MadYaker

syklops wrote: »

A bone marrow test? You want to subject a traumatised girl to an excruciatingly painful medical procedure to establish her age? What does establishing her age get us?

That procedure isn't excruciatingly painful but don't let that get in your way!

They are satisfied that they have determined her age so its a moot point anyway.