Young woman kicked to death!

iamstop

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/young-mother-kicked-to-death-after-being-accused-of-stealing-man-29722435.html

Very sad. No one deserves that. Pretty shocking tbh.

yizorselves

It takes a special type of vermin to jump on someones head

Vicar in a tutu

I don't know how anybody could do that to another human being. not even an animal would do it.

yizorselves

yizorselves wrote: »

It takes a special type of vermin to jump on someones head

It's surprising how often it happens without serious injury and so isn't widely reported. Disturbing thing to ever see.

theblaqueguy

Thats horrible
According to the article there was 8 people in the house when it happened you would think one of them would of intervened before it got so bad her life could have been saved

policarp

And they all left?
Not one gent there.

Amirani

Poor woman really had a bad time of late: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mum-kicked-to-death-was-scalded-with-boiling-water-a-month-ago-29724000.html

iamstop

Jaysus. That is even sadder. Very tragic.

suicide_circus

does kicking/jumping on someone's head when they are on the ground count as intent? or will this be 5 years for manslaughter with 3 suspended?

LoonyLovegood

It depends. If they can charge the animals who did this, they'll probably be charged with murder, but the jury could find them not guilty of murder/guilty of manslaughter or some such.

The poor woman, whoever did that is an animal. Killing someone so brutally, and leaving a child without a mother?

beks101

Speechless. Pure scum.

Wacker The Attacker

suicide_circus wrote: »

does kicking/jumping on someone's head when they are on the ground count as intent? or will this be 5 years for manslaughter with 3 suspended?

Community service with a drug rehab programme

Wacker The Attacker

Theres very little background given

Eight Ball

Not surprised in the least. This is the world we live in life is cheap.

Dravokivich

policarp wrote: »

And they all left?
Not one gent there.

What are you implying? You a regularly john mcclane yourself so?

seamus

suicide_circus wrote: »

does kicking/jumping on someone's head when they are on the ground count as intent? or will this be 5 years for manslaughter with 3 suspended?

It depends on witness statements.

Most likely as was the case with Brian Murphy outside Annabel's, everyone involved will be advised by solicitors to say that they didn't see who it was that kicked her in the head, and the DPP won't be able to prove more than aggravated assault.

dark crystal

Dravokivich wrote: »

What are you implying? You a regularly john mcclane yourself so?

You don't need to be John McClane to intervene when someone's kicking a defenceless woman in the head. Just someone with a modicum of human decency.

I hope whichever lowlife did this gets the book thrown at them.

anncoates

I'd imagine it will be very hard to nail who actually death the fatal blow if it was a mob. They probably don't even know themselves. Unless they all testify it was one person.

SEPT 23 1989

primitive people

Dravokivich

dark crystal wrote: »

You don't need to be John McClane to intervene when someone's kicking a defenceless woman in the head. Just someone with a modicum of human decency.

I hope whichever lowlife did this gets the book thrown at them.

I was questioning the way that poster was assuming too much about who was in attendance. All we know is the unfortunate result. We know nothing of who was there other than the victim. It's not right to push the blame on people who weren't involved with the dispute, who could have run away in a state of panic and you question their humanity?

Muise...

policarp wrote: »

And they all left?
Not one gent there.

or lady.

dark crystal

Dravokivich wrote: »

I was questioning the way that poster was assuming too much about who was in attendance. All we know is the unfortunate result. We know nothing of who was there other than the victim. It's not right to push the blame on people who weren't involved with the dispute, who could have run away in a state of panic and you question their humanity?

Yeah, I would.

Lux23

This is very sad, I can't imagine what the last few weeks of that poor girls life were like.

SpaceTime

That's just absolutely horrific.
RIP and condolences to her family and friends.

Whoever did that needs to be put away for a very, very long time.

If someone kicks someone in the head, it's quite clear what their intentions are. There's a very strong possibility that they'll end up dead or severely brain injured and possibly badly disabled for life.

I think we need to clear down the prisons to take people who aren't dangerous out i.e. people in for stupid stuff like non payment of fines and TV licenses and things like tax offences etc etc all those non-brutal things which could be dealt with through community service, attachment to income or other restorative justice type arrangements.

That would give us more space to keep people who are genuinely dangerous out of harms way for a long time!

xzanti

And she has a little 18 month old Son too.. that is just so sad

Poor girl.. RIP

I hope the scummer or scummers get what's coming to them!

sbsquarepants

Deleted User wrote: »

It's surprising how often it happens without serious injury and so isn't widely reported. Disturbing thing to ever see.

I seen it happen once, in a shopping centre car park while I was waiting for food in the Chinese. I was actually shook up a little bit by it and I wouldn't be in any way squeamish, I was sure the guy was dead. The fella that done it had a little girl with him maybe 3 years old, his daughter I presume, he actually put the child down, gave the other guy a box and then stamped on him 2 or 3 times on the ground - that kid had to be traumatised. They guy he hit was a junkie, and absolutely in no way capable of defending himself at the time, he was only semi conscious to begin with. It was disgusting.

Muise...

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I seen it happen once, in a shopping centre car park while I was waiting for food in the Chinese. I was actually shook up a little bit by it and I wouldn't be in any way squeamish, I was sure the guy was dead. The fella that done it had a little girl with him maybe 3 years old, his daughter I presume, he actually put the child down, gave the other guy a box and then stamped on him 2 or 3 times on the ground - that kid had to be traumatised. They guy he hit was a junkie, and absolutely in no way capable of defending himself at the time, he was only semi conscious to begin with. It was disgusting.

I hope you reported this to the Gardaí.

sbsquarepants

I didn't actually. I don't imagine they would have done much about it anyway. Junkie gets hiding - boo hoo. It's sad I suppose, but that's the world we live in. In any case i didn't recognise either of them and to be honest even if I did, i'd be more inclined to mind my own business than to report it.

SpaceTime

You should always report stuff like that.
Just because someone is a drug addict or sleeping rough shouldn't mean you just walk past.



The world we live in becomes more like that the more everyone just turns a blind eye!

sbsquarepants

You're right in a way, in a perfect world you'd certainly be right, but personally speaking I wouldn't be too comfortable getting involved without knowing the story behind it. There were plenty of witnesses, cctv i'm sure, not really any of my concern. It's not like it was some little old lady, or a girl being dragged into the bushes or something like that. The guy had most likely done something to bring it on himself.

Muise...

sbsquarepants wrote: »

You're right in a way, in a perfect world you'd certainly be right, but personally speaking I wouldn't be too comfortable getting involved without knowing the story behind it. There were plenty of witnesses, cctv i'm sure, not really any of my concern. It's not like it was some little old lady, or a girl being dragged into the bushes or something like that. The guy had most likely done something to bring it on himself.

The poor woman this thread is about was killed because someone thought she deserved it. Nobody does.

gazzer

I cant imagine what goes through the mind of somebody to do that to another human being? It is just horrific

sbsquarepants

Muise... wrote: »

The poor woman this thread is about was killed because someone thought she deserved it. Nobody does.

I don't want to derail the thread so we should probably just agree to differ, but in my opinion that's not true, plenty of people do.
That young woman? No, certainly not.
The guy i'm talking about? I just don't know, maybe he did - maybe he didn't. It was a few years ago and I never found out what it was about.

dodderangler

This'll be another manslaughter and fcuk all time done

emmabrighton

American History X

If nothing else would prevent me from stomping on someones head, that infamous scene would...

*shudder*

folan

manslaughter.

its not the defendants fault that the victim was so susceptible to death by beatings! no one went out to kill anyone. it was a mistake.

or some other bollix to justify another killing. the saddest part is, this will probably be plead out to save some "tax payer money" and to reduce DPP work.

Sleepy

SpaceTime wrote: »

You should always report stuff like that.
Just because someone is a drug addict or sleeping rough shouldn't mean you just walk past.



The world we live in becomes more like that the more everyone just turns a blind eye!

I agree in theory but in reality, most of us would simply be too scared of the possible retribution to ourselves or our families to do anything.

The unintended consequence of seeking to stamp out cases of Garda brutality has been that we've, in effect, handcuffed the Gardaí from dealing with the worst scum in our society. The hard-line criminal elements of both the travelling and settled communities have no fear of our Gardaí or revolving door court system and, as such, are emboldened to carry out vicious crime like the case in the OP.

If they'll stamp a woman to death for having an affair, what would they do to a "rat" who's prepared to testify against them in court?

Son Of A Vidic

suicide_circus wrote: »

does kicking/jumping on someone's head when they are on the ground count as intent? or will this be 5 years for manslaughter with 3 suspended?

You know yourself, no doubt the perpetrator if caught, will get a slap on the wrist. Probably 5 years with 2 years suspended and be out in 18 months.

When in reality, jumping with all your might onto the skull of a fellow human being, should only be treated as attempted murder.

"Ah yer honour, I didn't mean it, me only wanted to use de head as a bouncing castle."

Femme_Fatale

Horrific. Easy to say you'd have intervened though - I know I'd be too sh1tless in the face of such utter maniac behaviour.

sbsquarepants wrote: »

The guy had most likely done something to bring it on himself.

Like what? Why not call the guards (out of sight of the incident) even because of the small child who witnessed it?

sbsquarepants

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Like what? Why not call the guards (out of sight of the incident) even because of the small child who witnessed it?

As I've said, I didn't (and still don't) know what it was about. My initial assumption was (and still is) the guy probably done something to bring this on himself, until I knew what this thing was, I just wouldn't be comfortable involving the police. Sometimes it's best to just mind your own business.

Mark Twain

Another innocent woman is a victim of the inherent cycle of violence against women in the traveller community.

Femme_Fatale

sbsquarepants wrote: »

My initial assumption was (and still is) the guy probably done something to bring this on himself

But my point is, that shouldn't make a difference.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Mark Twain wrote: »

Another innocent woman is a victim of the inherent cycle of violence against women in the traveller community.

Really?
Most women unlawfully killed in this state in the last 10 years were NOT travellers. In fact I can only think of one other traveller woman who was murdered and that was in Dundalk a couple of years ago.

sbsquarepants

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

But my point is, that shouldn't make a difference.

That's perfect world stuff though.
I reality it would very much depend on what the hypothetical thing he done was.

MrPudding

Dravokivich wrote: »

I was questioning the way that poster was assuming too much about who was in attendance. All we know is the unfortunate result. We know nothing of who was there other than the victim. It's not right to push the blame on people who weren't involved with the dispute, who could have run away in a state of panic and you question their humanity?

The report says it was several hours before her body was found. That means that even if the other people there did not actually take part in the murder not one of the fcuking scum bags called an ambulance. Questioning their humanity is more than appropriate.

MrP

OhHiMark

sbsquarepants wrote: »

That's perfect world stuff though.
I reality it would very much depend on what the hypothetical thing he done was.

Are there circumstances in which you think it's ok to murder someone? Kicking someone in the head three times could kill them, so do you think there are circumstances in which he was justified to kick the guy in the head three times?

Dravokivich

MrPudding wrote: »

The report says it was several hours before her body was found. That means that even if the other people there did not actually take part in the murder not one of the fcuking scum bags called an ambulance. Questioning their humanity is more than appropriate.

MrP

That's incredibly short sighted, because they are not a victim, they must be an accomplice?

almighty1

OhHiMark wrote: »

do you think there are circumstances in which he was justified to kick the guy in the head three times?

You're derailing the thread.

There are circumstances. If somebody tried to rob you at knifepoint?
If you truly felt your life was in danger.

This particular case is shocking and very sad.

MrPudding

Dravokivich wrote: »

That's incredibly short sighted, because they are not a victim, they must be an accomplice?

No. I am not saying they must be an accomplice, I am saying that anyone with an ounce of humanity would have called an ambulance. Just to recap. Multiple people in the house. They either took part in the murder, witnessed the murder or were otherwise a aware of the murder and fled. So either they helped kick a girl to death or they knew a girl was, at the very least, severely beaten. Either way, they didn't even bother calling an ambulance. You think that is ok? You think I am short sighted?

MrP

leahyl

That is just horrific - that poor girl.

Did anybody hear this news story in the UK - also absolutely horrific, it involves a young child. There are some vicious "human beings" in this world today.

http://http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24849988

smileyj1987

Mark Twain wrote: »

Another innocent woman is a victim of the inherent cycle of violence against women in the traveller community.

Traveller or not it doesn't matter . The way she was killed was horrific and who ever did it should serve life .