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Specialized Langster v Kona Paddy Wagon

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    #32
    rp
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    Fixies are stupid because who wants a bike where you can never coast, people who don't like their knees and want to punish them every chance they get, that's who. And flipflop hubs are just ugly. Added to that, track geometry isn't exactly designed for city riding
    I guess you don't mean Fixies are stupid, as they are after all just inanimate machines, but you mean people like me who ride fixies are stupid?


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    #33
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    rp wrote: »
    I guess you don't mean Fixies are stupid, as they are after all just inanimate machines, but you mean people like me who ride fixies are stupid?

    No, the bikes themselves are stupid.
    People who ride them are silly.


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    #34
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Seaneh wrote: »
    No, the bikes themselves are stupid.
    People who ride them are silly.

    You realise the original bikes were fixies?


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    #35
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    ford2600 wrote: »
    You realise the original bikes were fixies?

    Yes, and I realise there is a good reason we moved on from there. Just like we moved on from steam trains.


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    #36
    Ole Rodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Yes, and I realise there is a good reason we moved on from there. Just like we moved on from steam trains.

    Steam trains are well regarded pieces of engineering, they're just not cost effective for high volume public transport.


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    #37
    Ciann
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭Ciann


    Have you thought about the on one pompino OP?


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    #38
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Yes, and I realise there is a good reason we moved on from there. Just like we moved on from steam trains.

    For a lad that waxes lyrical about the beauty of old steel bike that's a strange position to take...

    If you develop your logical a ss is as redundant as a fixie...

    I use both, they both have their merits.


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    #39
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    ford2600 wrote: »
    For a lad that waxes lyrical about the beauty of old steel bike that's a strange position to take...

    If you develop your logical a ss is as redundant as a fixie...

    I use both, they both have their merits.

    No, not really.

    Steel is still beautiful and comfortable, easily repaired and extremely hardy.

    All in all, steel is still the best material to build bikes from, and you can even get a steel bike to barely above the UCI weight limits if you're that arsed.

    If I bought a steel bike, it would be for a few reasons.

    If it cracks, I can get it rewelded.
    It will make my journeys in the city more comfortable.
    I couldn't give a toss about weight once a bike is in or about 10kg, because I've a lot of weight to get rid of before I even need to consider the weight of the bike being a real issue.

    Fair enough if you're a 60kg climber or someone who's caught a dose if weenieitis, then you can start naming negatives when it comes to steel, but in reality, there are far, far more positives.


    And nothing, but nothing, looks better than a well made lugged and brazed steel frame. But modern tubing with smooth welds can look pretty fecking nice as well.


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    #40
    cormacjones
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    Jaysus...why are people so hyper-sensitive?

    Seaneh said he thought fixies were stupid, his opinion, and you'd swear he was slagging your dead mother.

    Just disagree, give your reasons and fight over. People really dragging the ar$e out of it now.


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    #41
    ford2600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Seaneh wrote: »
    No, not really.

    Steel is still beautiful and comfortable, easily repaired and extremely hardy.

    All in all, steel is still the best material to build bikes from, and you can even get a steel bike to barely above the UCI weight limits if you're that arsed. I

    If I bought a steel bike, it would be for a few reasons.

    If it cracks, I can get it rewelded.
    It will make my journeys in the city more comfortable.
    I couldn't give a toss about weight once a bike is in or about 10kg, because I've a lot of weight to get rid of before I even need to consider the weight of the bike being a real issue.

    Fair enough if you're a 60kg climber or someone who's caught a dose if weenieitis, then you can start naming negatives when it comes to steel, but in reality, there are far, far more positives.


    And nothing, but nothing, looks better than a well made lugged and brazed steel frame. But modern tubing with smooth welds can look pretty fecking nice as well.

    I'll check with you before I make any further bike purchase just to make sure it's in compliance with what's stupid beautiful or whatever from the past.


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    #42
    Seaneh
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    ford2600 wrote: »
    I'll check with you before I make any further bike purchase just to make sure it's in compliance with what's stupid beautiful or whatever from the past.

    You can buy whatever you like, I don't care, but if you post asking for advice and I have an opinion on the matter, I'll share my advice.

    Hopefully if that ever happens you won't be a such a princess about it.


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    #43
    f1000
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭f1000


    http://www.cycleways.com/store/product/66614/Kona-Paddy-Wagon/

    I like the Kona's 2013 colour scheme. Had a good look at one earlier in the year, nice bike and was very tempted to buy one after my Felt Dispatch was nicked.


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    #44
    Ole Rodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    Seaneh wrote: »
    No, the bikes themselves are stupid.
    People who ride them are silly.

    I have a steel fixed gear. It really is a beautiful bike.

    FWIW, I think Freds are silly. You know those fat ones that break red lights and rant about young people having fun hipsters on the internet while stuffing themselves with cake? Seaneh, apologies if you're one of those. That's just my opinion so I'm sure you wont be a princess about it. Good man yourself.:)

    OP, some of Genisis bikes are also worth a look. Might be a bit over budget but food for thought anway.

    http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/road/single/flyer


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    #45
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    ror_74 wrote: »
    I have a steel fixed gear. It really is a beautiful bike.

    FWIW, I think Freds are silly. You know those fat ones that break red lights and rant about young people having fun hipsters on the internet while stuffing themselves with cake? Seaneh, apologies if you're one of those. That's just my opinion so I'm sure you wont be a princess about it. Good man yourself.:)

    OP, some of Genisis bikes are also worth a look. Might be a bit over budget but food for thought anway.

    http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/road/single/flyer


    I don't break red lights.
    I'm definitely fat.
    I'm 29 so hardly in the middle aged cranky stage.
    I'm not a fan of cake.

    And again, I really wish people wouldn't take peoples opinions so personally.

    Kids these days, can't say anything without them turning into whiny little feckers.


    Go outside and build a fort or something, playing too much playstation has you ruined.


    BTW the flyer is nice, but that's because it has nice things like hood levers and medium gearing it takes full guards, it's not a track bike with two crap brakes and no bar tape pretending it's a street bike. I'd ride it as a singlespeed though, because coasting is nice sometimes.

    Bikes like the langster are perfectly good track bikes, especially for the price-point. But they aren't commuter friendly like the Kona or even your lovely flyer are.


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    #46
    rollingscone
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    I need to stop being a poor person so I can buy more bikes.


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    #47
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    rollingscone wrote: »
    I need to stop being a poor person so I can buy more bikes.

    When you figure that out, tell me your secret.


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    #48
    RockWerchter
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    I commute on a fixed gear langster with 20mm tires, clipless pedals and mud gaurds. It is my favorite bike to cycle, but i can see the merits of other bikes too, mainly when going up to Whitehall from dcc.


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    #49
    Harrybelafonte
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    RockWerchter wrote: »
    I commute on a fixed gear langster with 20mm tires, clipless pedals and mud gaurds. It is my favorite bike to cycle, but i can see the merits of other bikes too, mainly when going up to Whitehall from dcc.

    You gotta hit it hard coming off the bridge in Drumcondra and just keep spinning. :)

    (In saying that, I've been doing it awhile on on 49x17 but I think I need to drop a few inches now)


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    #50
    RockWerchter
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    I'm on a 48/16 well would be if i didn't have a broken finger, one thing is for certain, getting Dublin bus is the worst way to commute.


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    #51
    slap/dash
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    Weird, I cud da sworn I posted a youtube link yesterday in this thread. Now deleted by moderator I guess. Baffling


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    #52
    CramCycle
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    slap/dash wrote: »
    Weird, I cud da sworn I posted a youtube link yesterday in this thread. Now deleted by moderator I guess. Baffling

    MOD VOICE: It was inappropriate. If you have an issue with it being pulled, please PM myself or one of the other mods to discuss off thread, do not repost it.


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