Specialized Langster v Kona Paddy Wagon

donal7

I'm buying a single speed and have narrowed my options down to either the Specialized Langster or the Kona Paddy Wagon. Any opinions on either in terms of spec,etc or anyone own either and can give their opinion on either bike? They are both priced the same. Links below to both bikes.

Cheers

http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/road/langster/langster
http://www.konaworld.com/paddy_wagon.cfm

Ole Rodrigo

For commuting ? I'd go with the Kona for the mudguard option.

The Langster looks nicer though.

Seaneh

Kona because it's a single speed not s stupid fixie.


The Tricross Single Speed is another option.

can take 32mm tyres with full mudguards (35 without), a pannier rack, a front rack and has bar top breaks (handy for city cycling).

donal7

Thanks guys for the replies

Yes - it is for commuting and I would be looking to put a set of full length mudguards on.

Harrybelafonte

Seaneh wrote: »

Kona because it's a single speed not s stupid fixie.


The Tricross Single Speed is another option.

can take 32mm tyres with full mudguards (35 without), a pannier rack, a front rack and has bar top breaks (handy for city cycling).

Seriously? What are you, five?

And if you check the Specs for the Langster, it comes with Tektro brakes.

Seaneh

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Seriously? What are you, five?

And if you check the Specs for the Langster, it comes with Tektro brakes.

It's still a stupid fixie. I never mentioned brakes (or lack there of).

It also has no mounting points for Mudguards or a rack, so it's not exactly designed for commuting.

nak

The link posted for the Langster was from the Specialized US site, have a look at the GB one for bikes available in Ireland. The frame might be a different colour, but spec probably the same.

rollingscone

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Seriously? What are you, five?

And if you check the Specs for the Langster, it comes with Tektro brakes.

Maybe he means that it is below the average intelligence of other fixies? Or he experiences a strong aesthetic displeasure at the sight of flip flop hubs...

If I still had intact knees I'd give a fixie a go, I just wouldn't wear women's trousers or take my typewriter out to the park to 'work on my novel'.

FWIW I prefer the looks of the Kona, the Langster just screams fashion (and possibly track racing).

My bodged singlespeed is absolutely bomb proof great choice for a flattish city ride, just be doubly sure that there aren't any epic climbs; it's one thing to HTFU, it's another to grind your knees into powder (Believe me it can be done).

Seaneh

nak wrote: »

The link posted for the Langster was from the Specialized US site, have a look at the GB one for bikes available in Ireland. The frame might be a different colour, but spec probably the same.

Pretty much identical spec wise, you can get the "street" version in Ireland too, with horrible looking bullhorn bars.

Ole Rodrigo

Seaneh wrote: »

Kona because it's a single speed not s stupid fixie.
The Tricross Single Speed is another option.
can take 32mm tyres with full mudguards (35 without), a pannier rack, a front rack and has bar top breaks (handy for city cycling).

I'm fairly sure the law requires track bikes/ fixies to be sold with at least one brake. It does in the UK.

Also - why are fixies stupid ?

slap/dash

have you considered a surly steamroller? a lot of tyre clearance

donal7

Thanks guys for all the replies.

I'll check further into the mounting points for mudguards before purchasing.

Cheers

Seaneh

ror_74 wrote: »

I'm fairly sure the law requires track bikes/ fixies to be sold with at least one brake. It does in the UK.

Also - why are fixies stupid ?

Again, I never mentioned brakes...

Fixies are stupid because who wants a bike where you can never coast, people who don't like their knees and want to punish them every chance they get, that's who. And flipflop hubs are just ugly. Added to that, track geometry isn't exactly designed for city riding.

I'd pick single speed over a fixie any day of the week. The Paddy waggon, or something like it, is designed for city riding.

upright position, mudguards, mount for rack, ability to coast up to junctions nice and easy. All the good stuff.

slap/dash

its a personal choice, but i wouldnt consider aluminium for a single speed around town. its not that crucial to save crazy weight on the frame, so id pick kona out of the two, but tbh i would stress that handbuilt wheels are the way to go on an everyday bike. something like surly/ultegra hubs w high spoke count and a solid rim. they do have some nice looking frames in cyckeways now, and that place in marys abbey can order surlys

rollingscone

Re the Steamroller - don't get me wrong I love Surly (looks wise at least) but i don't see why you'd ever want more than 28mm clearance on a city bike (On the Kona site it states up to 28mm with mudguards).

Seaneh

rollingscone wrote: »

I don't see why you'd ever want more than 28mm clearance on a city bike.

Because 32mm @ 95psi is sooooo comfy, that's why

slap/dash

rollingscone wrote: »

Re the Steamroller - don't get me wrong I love Surly (looks wise at least) but i don't see why you'd ever want more than 28mm clearance on a city bike (On the Kona site it states up to 28mm with mudguards).

i hear ya. i ride an iro with 23 gators on there and it can be a bit dodgey when the frost is out, not to mention being boneshaking, so i would recommend 25 or 28. however, i did ride a bit along the canals and that kinda surface could call for wider tyres. might as well go for functionaliy and toughness which is why i suggest steel frame with clearance and some tough well made wheels.
plus the surly is a nice looking frame without being all deep v hipster puke nawmeen?

Harrybelafonte

Seaneh wrote: »

Again, I never mentioned brakes...

Fixies are stupid because who wants a bike where you can never coast, people who don't like their knees and want to punish them every chance they get, that's who. And flipflop hubs are just ugly. Added to that, track geometry isn't exactly designed for city riding.

I'd pick single speed over a fixie any day of the week. The Paddy waggon, or something like it, is designed for city riding.

upright position, mudguards, mount for rack, ability to coast up to junctions nice and easy. All the good stuff.

You said the kona was an SS and the Langster was a stupid Fixie. The Langster comes with a flip flop hub and brakes so is also a single speed.

Ole Rodrigo

Seaneh wrote: »

Again, I never mentioned brakes...

Fixies are stupid because who wants a bike where you can never coast, people who don't like their knees and want to punish them every chance they get, that's who. And flipflop hubs are just ugly. Added to that, track geometry isn't exactly designed for city riding.

I'd pick single speed over a fixie any day of the week. The Paddy waggon, or something like it, is designed for city riding.

upright position, mudguards, mount for rack, ability to coast up to junctions nice and easy. All the good stuff.

The linked photo had no brakes.

I take your point about flip flop hubs. The rest is, with all due respect, nonsense. Fixies :

- improve muscular strength around the knee.
- improve pedal action and bike handling.
- improve overall muscle strength.
- improve overall fitness.

slap/dash

yeah i dont real get how a flip flop hub is ugly? dont almost all hubs you see around have both? or are exposed threads better somehow?

slap/dash

ror_74 wrote: »

The linked photo had no brakes.

I take your point about flip flop hubs. The rest is, with all due respect, nonsense. Fixies :

- improve muscular strength around the knee.
- improve pedal action and bike handling.
- improve overall muscle strength.
- improve overall fitness.

agreed, however, dont you think that even a single speed can help with these issues too? i mean i love hills, and i think its because when im on me road bike i have so many years of having to have mashed up on a crappy 52x16! im now more sensible wrt ratio, but still like a big ring.

amazingemmet

I vote for the Langster. I had one for about 4 years when in London doing city commuting everyday found it the right mix of nimble for dealing with traffic while still having a decent top speed. FWIW I used it single speed.

slap/dash

the langster a couple years back had a steel version that was nice. i do think that riser bars are better for in town use, so thats another reason why id be inclined towards a frame and build it up...more cash, but spend once and spend well is my motto

Ole Rodrigo

slap/dash wrote: »

agreed, however, dont you think that even a single speed can help with these issues too? i mean i love hills, and i think its because when im on me road bike i have so many years of having to have mashed up on a crappy 52x16! im now more sensible wrt ratio, but still like a big ring.

Yea sure, as with geared bikes. With a fixed you're forced to push it which makes a difference, I found. Each to their own I guess. I wouldn't commute with clipless pedals on one though, hill starts are too tricky.

slap/dash

agreed. mks gr9s all the way

donal7

slap/dash wrote: »

have you considered a surly steamroller? a lot of tyre clearance

Anywhere in Ireland stock these? Very nice.

Squidgy Black

The Kona has a flip-flop hub for fixed/ss, the same as the Langster.

If you were looking for a commuter, I'd suggest the Kona simply because you can put wider tires and mudguards on it, and the steel frame is well able to take a beating. But the Langster is a nicer bike, lighter and more nimble and a carbon fork to top it off. But not ideal for commuting.

Both bikes will come with rear and front brakes, it's the law for any UK bikeshop, they have to supply them.

rollingscone

Slightly OT but I would literally kill a man for a Surly frame (Crosscheck or Pacer...maaaaybe LHT)

slap/dash

donal7 wrote: »

Anywhere in Ireland stock these? Very nice.

http://buildabike.ie/

he'll order the frame and fork separately if you want. something around 400 i think, though im not sure. stick some wheels on for another 300. cheap cranks/stem/bars, and you have a monster

Ryder

rollingscone wrote: »

Re the Steamroller - don't get me wrong I love Surly (looks wise at least) but i don't see why you'd ever want more than 28mm clearance on a city bike (On the Kona site it states up to 28mm with mudguards).

if you intend year round commuting, having an option to put on 32/35mm ice tyres is useful for those few icy eeks in the winter.....its the reason I changed to a cyclocross bike.

donal7

slap/dash wrote: »

http://buildabike.ie/

he'll order the frame and fork separately if you want. something around 400 i think, though im not sure. stick some wheels on for another 300. cheap cranks/stem/bars, and you have a monster

Thanks for all the info slap/dash. I'm heading into Build a Bike this weekend to take a look as they have one on display

rp

Seaneh wrote: »

Fixies are stupid because who wants a bike where you can never coast, people who don't like their knees and want to punish them every chance they get, that's who. And flipflop hubs are just ugly. Added to that, track geometry isn't exactly designed for city riding

I guess you don't mean Fixies are stupid, as they are after all just inanimate machines, but you mean people like me who ride fixies are stupid?

Seaneh

rp wrote: »

I guess you don't mean Fixies are stupid, as they are after all just inanimate machines, but you mean people like me who ride fixies are stupid?

No, the bikes themselves are stupid.
People who ride them are silly.

ford2600

Seaneh wrote: »

No, the bikes themselves are stupid.
People who ride them are silly.

You realise the original bikes were fixies?

Seaneh

ford2600 wrote: »

You realise the original bikes were fixies?

Yes, and I realise there is a good reason we moved on from there. Just like we moved on from steam trains.

Ole Rodrigo

Seaneh wrote: »

Yes, and I realise there is a good reason we moved on from there. Just like we moved on from steam trains.

Steam trains are well regarded pieces of engineering, they're just not cost effective for high volume public transport.

Ciann

Have you thought about the on one pompino OP?

ford2600

Seaneh wrote: »

Yes, and I realise there is a good reason we moved on from there. Just like we moved on from steam trains.

For a lad that waxes lyrical about the beauty of old steel bike that's a strange position to take...

If you develop your logical a ss is as redundant as a fixie...

I use both, they both have their merits.

Seaneh

ford2600 wrote: »

For a lad that waxes lyrical about the beauty of old steel bike that's a strange position to take...

If you develop your logical a ss is as redundant as a fixie...

I use both, they both have their merits.

No, not really.

Steel is still beautiful and comfortable, easily repaired and extremely hardy.

All in all, steel is still the best material to build bikes from, and you can even get a steel bike to barely above the UCI weight limits if you're that arsed.

If I bought a steel bike, it would be for a few reasons.

If it cracks, I can get it rewelded.
It will make my journeys in the city more comfortable.
I couldn't give a toss about weight once a bike is in or about 10kg, because I've a lot of weight to get rid of before I even need to consider the weight of the bike being a real issue.

Fair enough if you're a 60kg climber or someone who's caught a dose if weenieitis, then you can start naming negatives when it comes to steel, but in reality, there are far, far more positives.


And nothing, but nothing, looks better than a well made lugged and brazed steel frame. But modern tubing with smooth welds can look pretty fecking nice as well.

cormacjones

Jaysus...why are people so hyper-sensitive?

Seaneh said he thought fixies were stupid, his opinion, and you'd swear he was slagging your dead mother.

Just disagree, give your reasons and fight over. People really dragging the ar$e out of it now.

ford2600

Seaneh wrote: »

No, not really.

Steel is still beautiful and comfortable, easily repaired and extremely hardy.

All in all, steel is still the best material to build bikes from, and you can even get a steel bike to barely above the UCI weight limits if you're that arsed. I

If I bought a steel bike, it would be for a few reasons.

If it cracks, I can get it rewelded.
It will make my journeys in the city more comfortable.
I couldn't give a toss about weight once a bike is in or about 10kg, because I've a lot of weight to get rid of before I even need to consider the weight of the bike being a real issue.

Fair enough if you're a 60kg climber or someone who's caught a dose if weenieitis, then you can start naming negatives when it comes to steel, but in reality, there are far, far more positives.


And nothing, but nothing, looks better than a well made lugged and brazed steel frame. But modern tubing with smooth welds can look pretty fecking nice as well.

I'll check with you before I make any further bike purchase just to make sure it's in compliance with what's stupid beautiful or whatever from the past.

Seaneh

ford2600 wrote: »

I'll check with you before I make any further bike purchase just to make sure it's in compliance with what's stupid beautiful or whatever from the past.

You can buy whatever you like, I don't care, but if you post asking for advice and I have an opinion on the matter, I'll share my advice.

Hopefully if that ever happens you won't be a such a princess about it.

f1000

http://www.cycleways.com/store/product/66614/Kona-Paddy-Wagon/

I like the Kona's 2013 colour scheme. Had a good look at one earlier in the year, nice bike and was very tempted to buy one after my Felt Dispatch was nicked.

Ole Rodrigo

Seaneh wrote: »

No, the bikes themselves are stupid.
People who ride them are silly.

I have a steel fixed gear. It really is a beautiful bike.

FWIW, I think Freds are silly. You know those fat ones that break red lights and rant about young people having fun hipsters on the internet while stuffing themselves with cake? Seaneh, apologies if you're one of those. That's just my opinion so I'm sure you wont be a princess about it. Good man yourself.:)

OP, some of Genisis bikes are also worth a look. Might be a bit over budget but food for thought anway.

http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/road/single/flyer

Seaneh

ror_74 wrote: »

I have a steel fixed gear. It really is a beautiful bike.

FWIW, I think Freds are silly. You know those fat ones that break red lights and rant about young people having fun hipsters on the internet while stuffing themselves with cake? Seaneh, apologies if you're one of those. That's just my opinion so I'm sure you wont be a princess about it. Good man yourself.:)

OP, some of Genisis bikes are also worth a look. Might be a bit over budget but food for thought anway.

http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/road/single/flyer

I don't break red lights.
I'm definitely fat.
I'm 29 so hardly in the middle aged cranky stage.
I'm not a fan of cake.

And again, I really wish people wouldn't take peoples opinions so personally.

Kids these days, can't say anything without them turning into whiny little feckers.


Go outside and build a fort or something, playing too much playstation has you ruined.


BTW the flyer is nice, but that's because it has nice things like hood levers and medium gearing it takes full guards, it's not a track bike with two crap brakes and no bar tape pretending it's a street bike. I'd ride it as a singlespeed though, because coasting is nice sometimes.

Bikes like the langster are perfectly good track bikes, especially for the price-point. But they aren't commuter friendly like the Kona or even your lovely flyer are.

rollingscone

I need to stop being a poor person so I can buy more bikes.

Seaneh

rollingscone wrote: »

I need to stop being a poor person so I can buy more bikes.

When you figure that out, tell me your secret.

RockWerchter

I commute on a fixed gear langster with 20mm tires, clipless pedals and mud gaurds. It is my favorite bike to cycle, but i can see the merits of other bikes too, mainly when going up to Whitehall from dcc.

Harrybelafonte

RockWerchter wrote: »

I commute on a fixed gear langster with 20mm tires, clipless pedals and mud gaurds. It is my favorite bike to cycle, but i can see the merits of other bikes too, mainly when going up to Whitehall from dcc.

You gotta hit it hard coming off the bridge in Drumcondra and just keep spinning.

(In saying that, I've been doing it awhile on on 49x17 but I think I need to drop a few inches now)

RockWerchter

I'm on a 48/16 well would be if i didn't have a broken finger, one thing is for certain, getting Dublin bus is the worst way to commute.

slap/dash

Weird, I cud da sworn I posted a youtube link yesterday in this thread. Now deleted by moderator I guess. Baffling