Human greed

lufties

They way the world is today seems to be a race to the bottom with regard to sqeezing middle and working classes, working hours are longer, salaries are lower and most jobs are on 'contract'. This all to the benefit of big business with increasing profits. It seems in Ireland that if big corporations see a cheaper option ( ie moving to china), they're gone.

This is a worrying trend the world over, fat cats getting super rich and that wealth gap increasing. I wonder though why humans have become so damn greedy, is it a mental illness ?where enough is never enough. Personally I like to try and be comfortable but never at the expense of others. In my job I have dealt with employment agencies and a lot of them are there as a middle man out for a quick buck, made off the back of the employee. I wonder how they can sleep at night making a living that way.

This is very worrying for humanity IMO, I dont have an alternative to capitalism but a system that benefits such a small few to the detriment of others can't be the way forward.

Nemeses

And it begins...

wazky

lufties wrote: »

It seems in Ireland that if big corporations see a cheaper option ( ie moving to china), they're gone.

Why shouldn't they?, its a business not a charity.

Sunnyisland

I ate all the kids sweets for Halloween tonight, I am one mother****er greedy person...

hju6

wazky wrote: »

Why shouldn't they?, its a business not a charity.

Roll on 1984

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Humans have not become greedy. They were always thus.

lufties

wazky wrote: »

Why shouldn't they?, its a business not a charity.

there should be proper laws where the employees are looked after and compensated well.

Fr_Dougal

lufties wrote: »

They way the world is today seems to be a race to the bottom with regard to sqeezing middle and working classes, working hours are longer, salaries are lower and most jobs are on 'contract'. This all to the benefit of big business with increasing profits. It seems in Ireland that if big corporations see a cheaper option ( ie moving to china), they're gone.

This is a worrying trend the world over, fat cats getting super rich and that wealth gap increasing. I wonder though why humans have become so damn greedy, is it a mental illness ?where enough is never enough. Personally I like to try and be comfortable but never at the expense of others. In my job I have dealt with employment agencies and a lot of them are there as a middle man out for a quick buck, made off the back of the employee. I wonder how they can sleep at night making a living that way.

This is very worrying for humanity IMO, I dont have an alternative to capitalism but a system that benefits such a small few to the detriment of others can't be the way forward.

What about world peace, would you not like world peace too?

catallus

The capitalist swine have taken over! Giving corporations the same rights as people! Tyrannical private money-lenders ("Markets") manipulating the labour force, providing just enough money to wage-slaves to survive and just enough education to perform! They have it wrapped up so tight you can't even shake a stick at it!

Rayne Wooney

Step on who you can to get closer to the top.

It's always been like that and probably will get a lot worse

earlyevening

All these businesses are owned by shareholders, you and I and our pension funds.

That's how we benefit.

dgt

lufties wrote: »

They way the world is today seems to be a race to the bottom with regard to sqeezing middle and working classes, working hours are longer, salaries are lower and most jobs are on 'contract'. This all to the benefit of big business with increasing profits. It seems in Ireland that if big corporations see a cheaper option ( ie moving to china), they're gone.

This is a worrying trend the world over, fat cats getting super rich and that wealth gap increasing. I wonder though why humans have become so damn greedy, is it a mental illness ?where enough is never enough. Personally I like to try and be comfortable but never at the expense of others. In my job I have dealt with employment agencies and a lot of them are there as a middle man out for a quick buck, made off the back of the employee. I wonder how they can sleep at night making a living that way.

This is very worrying for humanity IMO, I dont have an alternative to capitalism but a system that benefits such a small few to the detriment of others can't be the way forward.

Reminds me of this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1kRSI8gSQY

lufties

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

What about world peace, would you not like world peace too?

world peace might happen if people weren't profitting financially from war.

wazky

lufties wrote: »

there should be proper laws where the employees are looked after and compensated well.

Of course they should but your statement just made no sense.

Maybe tree hugging-hippy sense but not business/real world sense.

hju6

The world is like a ride in an amusement park and when we choose to go on it we think it's real, because thats's how powerful our minds are. And it goes up and down and round and round, it has thrills and chills and its very brightly colored and very loud, and it's fun - for a while.

Some people have been on the ride for a long time and after a while they begin to question: Is this real, or is it just a ride? But some people have remembered, and they come back to us and they say. "Hey, don't worry and don't be afraid ever, because this is just a ride" - and we kill those people...

"Shut him up! Ive got a lot invested in this ride... Look at my furrows of worry... Look at my big bank account... Look at my family... This has to be real"

But it's just a ride.

But we always kill those good guys who try to tell us that and we let the demons run amok. But it doesnt matter, because it's just a ride - and we can change it any time we want.

All we need is the choice.

No effort, no work, no job, no savings or money - just a choice - right now - between fear & love.

The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns and and close yourself off, the eyes of love instead, see all of us as one.

Here's what we can do to change the world to a better ride right now. Take all the money we spend on weapons and defence each year and instead spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded and we can explore space...

together...

both inner and outer...

forever...

...in peace.

- Bill Hicks (1961 - 1994 R.I.P.)

dxhound2005

lufties wrote: »

They way the world is today seems to be a race to the bottom with regard to sqeezing middle and working classes, working hours are longer, salaries are lower and most jobs are on 'contract'. This all to the benefit of big business with increasing profits. It seems in Ireland that if big corporations see a cheaper option ( ie moving to china), they're gone.

This is a worrying trend the world over, fat cats getting super rich and that wealth gap increasing. I wonder though why humans have become so damn greedy, is it a mental illness ?where enough is never enough. Personally I like to try and be comfortable but never at the expense of others. In my job I have dealt with employment agencies and a lot of them are there as a middle man out for a quick buck, made off the back of the employee. I wonder how they can sleep at night making a living that way.

This is very worrying for humanity IMO, I dont have an alternative to capitalism but a system that benefits such a small few to the detriment of others can't be the way forward.

Can you give any example of a society past or present where things are or were better than now? Maybe our Celtic Tiger era?

lufties

wazky wrote: »

Of course they should but your statement just made no sense.

Maybe tree hugging-hippy sense but not business/real world sense.

oh yea the sneering, patronising post. how does it not make sense that big corps coming and going as they please paying shag all tax. My point is workers are being reduced to slaves and we are moving backwards.

dxhound2005

lufties wrote: »

oh yea the sneering, patronising post. how does it not make sense that big corps coming and going as they please paying shag all tax. My point is workers are being reduced to slaves and we are moving backwards.

Wouldn't going backwards not be what you want? To some better times in the past which you are complaining about being changed.

wazky

lufties wrote: »

oh yea the sneering, patronising post. how does it not make sense that big corps coming and going as they please paying shag all tax. My point is workers are being reduced to slaves and we are moving backwards.

Your point was " It seems in Ireland that if big corporations see a cheaper option ( ie moving to china), they're gone."

If its cheaper in China why would they stay?, if you shop in a discount shop as opposed to a high street shop do you feel guilty that the owner, workers etc in the high street aren't getting your money?, I doubt it.

tomdempsey200

big business is like a soul sucking virus

lufties

wazky wrote: »

Your point was " It seems in Ireland that if big corporations see a cheaper option ( ie moving to china), they're gone."

If its cheaper in China why would they stay?, if you shop in a discount shop as opposed to a high street shop do you feel guilty that the owner, workers etc in the high street aren't getting your money?, I doubt it.

I'd never shop in a discount store, I prefer to pay a few bob extra for quality.

Iwasfrozen

lufties wrote: »

I'd never shop in a discount store, I prefer to pay a few bob extra for quality.

What if the Chinese are harder workers and produce better quality then Irish workers?

Media999

Religion and Jesus and all that **** has destroyed the world.

love_struck

catallus wrote: »

The capitalist swine have taken over! Giving corporations the same rights as people! Tyrannical private money-lenders ("Markets") manipulating the labour force, providing just enough money to wage-slaves to survive and just enough education to perform! They have it wrapped up so tight you can't even shake a stick at it!

its naïve to think a mary poppins style financial or military power could ever exist

the vast majority of people in Ireland do better than the vast bulk of the worlds population due to capitalism , that's not much compensation for a poor farmer in Africa who cant even access western markets etc but were equality to be fully implemented across the world , the least bad outcome for irish people would be a huge drop in wealth and lifestyle

hfallada

OP the mega rich has always existed and particularly in the last 100 years. Rockefellers wealth would be worth around $330billion today. Thats before the age of moving manufacturing over seas

Ireland is a country that if you work hard you can be rich. There is very little old money in Ireland.

lufties

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Wouldn't going backwards not be what you want? To some better times in the past which you are complaining about being changed.

Mr Burns is that you?:rolleyes:

donegal__road

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Can you give any example of a society past or present where things are or were better than now? Maybe our Celtic Tiger era?

I think the Danes and the Norwegians have it nailed.. the Canadians aren't too far behind either.





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sonny jim bob jones

What about the people on the scratcher that have never worked a day in their lives and milk the system for every cent it's worth whether it is medical card, rent allowance etc. Are they greedy?

lufties

sonny jim bob jones wrote: »

What about the people on the scratcher that have never worked a day in their lives and milk the system for every cent it's worth whether it is medical card, rent allowance etc. Are they greedy?

nah, just useless and lazy mostly.

wazky

sonny jim bob jones wrote: »

What about the people on the scratcher that have never worked a day in their lives and milk the system for every cent it's worth whether it is medical card, rent allowance etc. Are they greedy?

They are oppressed by the MAN!, man.

sonny jim bob jones

wazky wrote: »

They are oppressed by the MAN!, man.

Dude, where's my car?

catallus

love_struck wrote: »

its naïve to think a mary poppins style financial or military power could ever exist

the vast majority of people in Ireland do better than the vast bulk of the worlds population due to capitalism , that's not much compensation for a poor farmer in Africa who cant even access western markets etc but were equality to be fully implemented across the world , the least bad outcome for irish people would be a huge drop in wealth and lifestyle

The West does better because of the historical rape and pillage of the rest of the world.

Thousands die all over the world annually attempting to flock to the developed world, and being stopped by rigorous border controls.

If there was actual justice and equality worldwide, then yes the west would see dramatic drops in wealth and lifestyle.

Iwasfrozen

catallus wrote: »

If there was actual justice and equality worldwide, then yes the west would see dramatic drops in wealth and lifestyle.

Yeah so fúck equality.

lufties

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What if the Chinese are harder workers and produce better quality then Irish workers?

cant answer that ,but I currently live in china and I'd much prefer Irish doing a job for me.

catallus

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yeah so fúck equality.

Kill it with fire....

sonny jim bob jones

catallus wrote: »

Thousands die all over the world annually attempting to flock to the developed world, and being stopped by rigorous border controls.

Maybe these are the greedy ones?

Iwasfrozen

lufties wrote: »

cant answer that ,but I currently live in china and I'd much prefer Irish doing a job for me.

Why? A product is a product and if a Chinese man can produce that product to a higher quality than an Irish man why would you ever hire the Irish man? Race and nationality shouldn't come into the equation.

lufties

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why?

because in ireland work standards are higher, in my job anyway.

wazky

lufties wrote: »

because in ireland work standards are higher, in my job anyway.

Whats your job?

Iwasfrozen

lufties wrote: »

because in ireland work standards are higher, in my job anyway.

Perhaps in your job but not all. Yet you make a sweeping generalisation that all chinese workers are less productive than Irish workers.

lufties

wazky wrote: »

Whats your job?

engineering

wazky

lufties wrote: »

engineering

What area of engineering?

lufties

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Perhaps in your job but not all. Yet you make a sweeping generalisation that all chinese workers are less productive than Irish workers.

you are talking through your arse, i said work standards in ireland are better, which they are generally.

wazky

lufties wrote: »

you are talking through your arse, i said work standards in ireland are better, which they are generally.

By your own estimation is it?

Iwasfrozen

lufties wrote: »

you are talking through your arse, i said work standards in ireland are better, which they are generally.

I don't think that's a fair statement. Why would standards be better in Ireland than China?

Also my original question was "What if the Chinese are harder workers and produce better quality then Irish workers?" Note the bolded part, implying conditional tense. Your answer to this was that you would rather have an Irish man working for you. Even if a Chinese man could produce the same product at a higher quality for lower cost!

lufties

wazky wrote: »

By your own estimation is it?

would you prefer get your car repaired in china or Ireland, china being much cheaper of course.

Grab All Association

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What if the Chinese are harder workers and produce better quality then Irish workers?

Oh yeah my Sony Vaio I paid over €800 for August must have used it only 3 or 4 times (bought it after the Dell Latitude I had 7 beeps of death see below) the motherboard went in it just four weeks after I bought it. In a battle with the retailer who sold it to me to get it fixed or refunded Made in China

Meanwhile the Sony Vaio I bought in 2011 has never gave me a bit of bother
Made in Japan (Sony must have moved production to China in 2012/13)

The Dell Precision I have for 4 years which was Made in Ireland is still working perfect like it only came out of the box.

The Dell Latitude I bought in 2012 7 beeps of death Made in China

The Nokia N8 I bought in 2011 still working perfect Made in Finland

The Nokia Lumia 800 2012 battery only last an hour in it and sometimes the touch doesn't work Made in China

Don't get me started about the iPhone I had

The Chinese may be faster cheaper workers than the Irish, Japanese and the Finnish but the quality of most electronics built in China is ****.

As a socialist, my guilty pleasure is enjoying (and agreeing with much of) this speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8y6DJAeolo

wazky

lufties wrote: »

would you prefer get your car repaired in china or Ireland, china being much cheaper of course.

Repaired to the same standard?, China of course.

Iwasfrozen

Chris___ wrote: »

Oh yeah my Sony Vaio I paid over €800 for August must have used it only 3 or 4 times (bought it after the Dell Latitude I had 7 beeps of death see below) the motherboard went in it just four weeks after I bought it. In a battle with the retailer who sold it to me to get it fixed or refunded Made in China

Meanwhile the Sony Vaio I bought in 2011 has never gave me a bit of bother
Made in Japan (Sony must have moved production to China in 2012/13)

The Dell Precision I have for 4 years which was Made in Ireland is still working perfect like it only came out of the box.

The Dell Latitude I bought in 2012 7 beeps of death Made in China

The Nokia N8 I bought in 2011 still working perfect Made in Finland

The Nokia Lumia 800 2012 battery only last an hour in it and sometimes the touch doesn't work Made in China

Don't get me started about the iPhone I had

The Chinese may be faster cheaper workers than the Irish, Japanese and the Finnish but the quality of most electronics built in China is ****.

I have a Lenovo laptop. It has lasted me 4 years, has never broken down, is still fast, and can still run programmes that came out years after it was made. Guess where it was built?

lufties

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I don't think that's a fair statement. Why would standards be better in Ireland than China?

Also my original question was "What if the Chinese are harder workers and produce better quality then Irish workers?" Note the bolded part, implying conditional tense. Your answer to this was that you would rather have an Irish man working for you. Even if a Chinese man could produce the same product at a higher quality for lower cost!

what guarantee do i have that I'll get the same product. I said work standards that doesn't mean that irish are better than chinese. It simply says that as a western nation we have more industrial experience, In Ireland the health and safety standards are better, communication is easier. the culture is different. The amount of F@ck ups recently in my company due to lack of resources is incredible.