Help me troll a scammer please.

Banjo String

OK so I'm currently selling a phone on done deal.

This morning I receive a text message with no number that I can reply to asking for details of the phone, lowest price I'll accept etc, with an email address to reply to as the guy is 'working'.

So I reply with the relevant info, asking him where in the country he is etc.

Turns out he's currently restricted to pay me in person as he's off shore at the minute with the navy, and in fairness to him offered me asking price along with €100 EXTRA to cover shipping costs, as it's for his son. :cool:

Where do I go from here guys:D?

seminarian

Do you actually have the money yet?

mackeire

Banjo String wrote: »

OK so I'm currently selling a phone on done deal.

This morning I receive a text message with no number to reply to asking for details of the phone, lowest price I'll accept etc, with an email address to reading to as the guy is 'working'.

So I reply with the relevant info, asking him where in the country he is etc.

Turns out he's currently restricted to pay me in person as he's off shore at the minute with the navy, and in fairness to him offered me asking price along with €100 EXTRA to cover shipping costs, as it's for his son. :cool:

Where do I go from here guys:D?

You give him your bank details

wazky

Send him a phone encased in concrete with the alarm set for every hour.

Banjo String

seminarian wrote: »

Do you actually have the money yet?

Last correspondence was where he offered to pay my shipping costs

. I'm ready to pay your asking price but not cash in person because I'm currently working as a navy officer are restricted at the moment and my only quickest payment option is PayPal, its safe fast and secure and i will be responsible for the PayPal transaction charges so you can get your expected amount plus the shipping cost which i will be adding 100 EUR. If you don't have an account with PayPal, its pretty easy to open one,Just log onto www.paypal.com and sign up. I hope we can make the purchase as fast as possible? As I am buying the item for my son as a gift and i will like it to shipped via ANPOST REGISTERED,I look forward to hear from you with the information below.

seminarian

mackeire wrote: »

You give him your bank details

.... NEVER EVER EVER give your bank details to ANYONE!!!!!

seminarian

Banjo String wrote: »

Last correspondence was where he offered to pay my shipping costs

Once you have the money (best by paypal) then ship the item registered post.

MJ23

Ignore him, wait for someone else to buy it.

Banjo String

seminarian wrote: »

Once you have the money (best by paypal) then ship the item registered post.

Something tells me there will never be any money.

osarusan

As he seems to be proposing to pay you the money before you ship the item, he's not much of a scammer.

Fr_Dougal

seminarian wrote: »

Once you have the money (best by paypal) then ship the item registered post.

Oh there'll be money alright, well possibly for a day or so...then a chargeback for unauthorised use, same as a credit card.

SEPT 23 1989

Send him a parcel of poo

stimpson

osarusan wrote: »

As he seems to be proposing to pay you the money before you ship the item, he's not much of a scammer.

Sure what could go wrong?

nlgbbbblth

seminarian wrote: »

.... NEVER EVER EVER give your bank details to ANYONE!!!!!

Oh sh*t. I used a cheque to pay for my son's school trip last week. That had my bank details on it. :rolleyes:

hefferboi

I dont understand what's going on here? Guy is paying full price so send him the phone after he pays? It's with PayPal too so you can't get scammed.

What's the problem like?

osarusan

stimpson wrote: »

Sure what could go wrong?

I am the offshore navy man.

seminarian

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Oh there'll be money alright, well possibly for a day or so...then a chargeback for unauthorised use, same as a credit card.

Once you have the money from the Guy from Paypal you can ask Paypal to verify the payment by contacting the owner of the card.

Paypal are pretty good at preventing fraud.

marshbaboon

Sounds like a returns scam. He pays upfront. You send him the phone. He sends back a broken phone of the same type and gets a refund through paypal. You can't prove that the phone was working when you sent it so you can't dispute it.

Post him a dead cat in sealed packaging. Leave it out in the sun for a few days to get it nice and ripe.

Banjo String

hefferboi wrote: »

I dont understand what's going on here? Guy is paying full price so send him the phone after he pays? It's with PayPal too so you can't get scammed.

What's the problem like?

Put it this way.

In only looking 150 for the phone. It's a two and a half year old Samsung. He is proposing to pay 250 in total.

Seems to me plenty could go wrong.

Yllonnoc

Fr. Dougal is right....

I was selling a car recently and had a very similar experience. Guy told me he would send the money with extra for the shipping cost of the car. He wanted me to ship it to London. So I played along to see how far it would go, he actually sent me a cheque, then kept ringing me to see when I shipping the car. He got pretty aggressive on the phone.

I didn't go as far as to cash the cheque, but he was hoping I would ship the car, lodge the cheque and then it would probably bounce.

Stay clear, sell it to someone you can meet in person.

Artful_Badger

Banjo String wrote: »

Put it this way.

In only looking 150 for the phone. It's a two and a half year old Samsung. He is proposing to pay 250 in total.

Seems to me plenty could go wrong.

Probably trying to scam you but if you do things right he wont be able to. It just cant be that easy to return a brick and get a phone plus money. If it was paypal wouldnt be usable.

ahnowbrowncow

hefferboi wrote: »

I dont understand what's going on here? Guy is paying full price so send him the phone after he pays? It's with PayPal too so you can't get scammed.

What's the problem like?

Selling things through paypal can be just as dodgy as sending cash by post. Even registered items with an post don't need signatures so paypal won't accept a registered post receipt as proof of postage. So the scammer will get your item and then claim to paypal they never got it and get their money back too

Artful_Badger

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Selling things through paypal can be just as dodgy as sending cash by post. Even registered items with an post don't need signatures so paypal won't accept a registered post receipt as proof of postage. So the scammer will get your item and then claim to paypal they never got it and get their money back too

He's paying an extra 100 for shipping. If you keep that and send through an post you deserve to be scammed. Send by courier to the address and get a signature and paypal wont accept his word he didnt get it.

Stonky

seminarian wrote: »

.... NEVER EVER EVER give your bank details to ANYONE!!!!!

Ever write a cheque ? All your details are there plus your signature. Paranoid much?

evlgmaojr27ypu

If I were you I wouldn't send him the phone even though he is willing to pay for it through Paypal.. he can raise a claim in couple of weeks stating that he never received the parcel, and there is a possibility that he could win the case as well.. Do you know where he want you to send it ?

Long Turn

He will send you a sterling draft. Fake
Do not lodge it as it takes 2 to 3 weeks to bounce and you will get hefty bank charges.
Buyer normally would receive his phone within this time period and would get away with it.

Prodgey

You will receive an email from a fake email looking like an official PayPal email, saying you've received money. Then, without actually logging into confirm, you might post it, and by the time you actually check your real account you realise there was no money and the phone is already gone.

Dicky Pride

This thread makes me sad.

Cunning Stunt

even if you get the money legitimately through PayPal, he can still claim he either didn't get the phone or that it was damaged and Paypal will do a charge back. Steer clear.

YumDeiseMum

Was selling a laptop recently on donedeal and had the exact same thing happen.

The sceptic in me knew it had to be a scam, it's hard enough to get your asking price most times never mind over and above.

My scammer called himself Kelvin, here's his email to me


On 24 Sep 2013 17:33, "Kelvin Foley" <kevfoley150@live.com> wrote:
Hello there,
Thank you for the fast reply.
I am willing to proceed with the transaction now and pay you €350 which include p&p.kindly login to your paypal account and select the request money button located at the top of your paypal account homepage and send the money request directly to my paypal account id which is kevfoley150@live.com so that i can submit payment to you via paypal right now as paypal is safe, fast and easy to send and receive money online.

If you dont have a paypal account just login to www.paypal.com and set up your paypal account, after setting up your paypal account you locate the request money button located at the top of your paypal account home page, use it to request money directly from my paypal account which is kevfoley150@live.com once I receive your money request from paypal, I will submit payment to you immediately via paypal asap.


Get back asap.
Kelvin

stimpson

Stonky wrote: »

Ever write a cheque ? All your details are there plus your signature. Paranoid much?

Sure what could go wrong?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7174760.stm

BonkeyDonker

If he is that interested in getting the phone as him to send the money Western Union. Tell him you will absorb the charges as he has offered to pay €100 above the cost for post etc. That way he will not be able to get the money back and you can send him the phone in confidence.

LionelNashe

seminarian wrote: »

.... NEVER EVER EVER give your bank details to ANYONE!!!!!

?? Of course you do. You give them to anyone who needs to send money to your bank account. Or anyone who you write checks to, if you write checks.

stimpson

Cheques? Is this the 1970's?

DieselPowered

This is a well documented scam. Anyone looking to buy from aboard...alarm bells. Anyone writing out how safe PayPal is..alarm bells.

For the "ah go-on it looks ok he must be genuine" folks, listen to what people are telling you. Don't fall into the same trap over and over again.

LionelNashe

Banjo String wrote: »

OK so I'm currently selling a phone on done deal.

This morning I receive a text message with no number that I can reply to asking for details of the phone, lowest price I'll accept etc, with an email address to reply to as the guy is 'working'.

So I reply with the relevant info, asking him where in the country he is etc.

Turns out he's currently restricted to pay me in person as he's off shore at the minute with the navy, and in fairness to him offered me asking price along with €100 EXTRA to cover shipping costs, as it's for his son. :cool:

Where do I go from here guys:D?

YumDeiseMum wrote: »

Was selling a laptop recently on donedeal and had the exact same thing happen.

The sceptic in me knew it had to be a scam, it's hard enough to get your asking price most times never mind over and above.

My scammer called himself Kelvin, here's his email to me


On 24 Sep 2013 17:33, "Kelvin Foley" <kevfoley150@live.com> wrote:
........................................

Hey OP, you should give Kelvin Foley's paypal details to your scammer, let them scam each other.

Banjo String

LionelNashe wrote: »

Hey OP, you should give Kelvin Foley's paypal details to your scammer, let them scam each other.

Brilliant idea. I love it

LionelNashe

Banjo String wrote: »

Brilliant idea. I love it

Of course , Kevin Foley could be another victim, and this is what the scam is; somebody takes over a Paypal account, uses it to pay for a laptop or phone, receives the laptop or phone, and then the real owner of the account disputes the payment and the seller loses out.

Stella Virgo

Banjo String wrote: »

OK so I'm currently selling a phone on done deal.

This morning I receive a text message with no number that I can reply to asking for details of the phone, lowest price I'll accept etc, with an email address to reply to as the guy is 'working'.

So I reply with the relevant info, asking him where in the country he is etc.

Turns out he's currently restricted to pay me in person as he's off shore at the minute with the navy, and in fairness to him offered me asking price along with €100 EXTRA to cover shipping costs, as it's for his son. :cool:

Where do I go from here guys:D?

how did he sent u a text with no number ? i didint think that was possible?

Sam Kade

stimpson wrote: »

Cheques? Is this the 1970's?

No it's the 2010's and guess what people still use cheques

creep

Are people here stupid that think that is legit? What generally happens here is that they send an email to a person pretending to be from PayPal and saying the money has been sent but take three days to appear . Also what happens is there is a link in the email to false PayPal site and when you click it and try to login they so will have user name and password. These emails and websites would look exactly the same as if they were sent from PayPal. Its common scap that I unfortuntaly have to deal with everyday in work. It Also gets peoples bank account number, name , address and d.o.b so they can print false.passports and withdraw your money and yes it does happen more than you think

Banjo String

Stella Virgo wrote: »

how did he sent u a text with no number ? i didint think that was possible?

Must have been from a PC.

See screen shot. Instead of a number it displays 'info'

Fighting Irish

Banjo String wrote: »

OK so I'm currently selling a phone on done deal.

This morning I receive a text message with no number that I can reply to asking for details of the phone, lowest price I'll accept etc, with an email address to reply to as the guy is 'working'.

So I reply with the relevant info, asking him where in the country he is etc.

Turns out he's currently restricted to pay me in person as he's off shore at the minute with the navy, and in fairness to him offered me asking price along with €100 EXTRA to cover shipping costs, as it's for his son. :cool:

Where do I go from here guys:D?

You're wasting your time

B.A._Baracus

Cunning Stunt wrote: »

even if you get the money legitimately through PayPal, he can still claim he either didn't get the phone or that it was damaged and Paypal will do a charge back. Steer clear.

I was thinking of selling a few things on adverts to try and get some cash for Christmas. Crap like this just puts me off.
Some of the items I have in mind are small and just easier to send in the post. But I am half afraid of someone opening a paypal dispute and getting shafted.
How often does scamming happen on the likes of adverts, etc?

rovoagho

seminarian wrote: »

.... NEVER EVER EVER give your bank details to ANYONE!!!!!

:rolleyes:

BeardySi

Legitimate buyers don't offer to pay €100 extra for shipping - if they want enhanced shipping they offer to pay the actual cost of registered/courier/next day shipping...
Definitely falls into the too good to be true category.

This is a classic scam - he most likely intends to do a chargeback or some such. His CC company won't ask questions, they'll just refund him and charge paypal. Paypal won't listen to excuses, they'll just take the money back whether you like it or not...

Of course the OP already knows this, but some people on this thread need a serious reality check... tbh I wouldn't bother expending the effort of stringing him along, just ignore him and sell it to a genuine buyer....

YourName

Has even one poster read the title of this thread. The OP knows its a scam and wants to take the piss out of him, why is everyone telling him its a scam . . . . . .

B.A._Baracus

YourName wrote: »

Has even one poster read the title of this thread. The OP knows its a scam and wants to take the piss out of him, why is everyone telling him its a scam . . . . . .

I know.
It's the whole "I have a chance to come off smarter than someone" thing.

meemeemee

If you are ever uncertain about emails you get when buying or selling online, then the best thing to do is simply copy the email, then stick it into Google and search. Scammers don't waste time writing individual emails, they simply copy and paste changing the Car Models and whatnot, and if it is a scam, somebody else has probably discussed it online somewhere.

I copied and pasted the OPs email that he was sent, and got these results, so it is 100 Percent a scammer, the question the OP has is how to deal with him.

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58509&start=45

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=69091&start=15

Some folk on there are discussing how to turn the tables I think.

meemeemee

PS. OP, why not visit the forum of "scambaiters" at www.419eater.com

These guys string along the scammers who have contacted them regarding their father being the deposed president of whateverland and the 50 million dollars in a swiss bank account.

They lead them on a merry dance, let them think they are going to get some dope to Western Union them some money, then turn the tables. They manage to get these guys to waste a day waiting around arrivals in Lagos Airport holding up a card for Reverend Justin Timberlake or Father Jack Hackett, pose for ridiculous photographs, even get them to send them money and convinced a few of them to get a tattoo !

http://www.419eater.com/
http://www.419eater.com/html/letters.htm
http://forum.419eater.com/forum/album.php

Banjo String

Latest.

This is the route he's decided to go down. Spurious (dodgy even) email from PayPal

. Hi there,
Payment has been made.
I just double check my paypal account now, It shows that the money has been deducted from my account to yours but the payment might show pending in your account now because the payment is been held by paypal so it will only fully become available in your account when you ship the package and email the shipment tracking number or any form of proof of shipment to paypal, once paypal receive proof of shipment from you,they will release the money to your account. I would suggest you login to the email address of your paypal account to check for the payment confirmation notice from
paypal to prove that I have sincerely paid.

So he expected me to send something to Nigeria without actually having received the money?

JAMES CURTIS.
                    PLOT 2 ,ROAD 1
                    ADEBISI LAYOUT
                    IBADAN ,OYO STATE
                    23402
                    Nigeria.


Lol tbh