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Sub for .22

  • 18-10-2013 5:09pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭


    Hello i am getting sick of my single shot weihrauch hw97k.Can i get a straight sub for a Ruger 10/22?Also they are online in america with the standard stock for 200-300 dollar how much for a second hand one here?thanks :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    http://www.crescentsports.ie/index.php/guns-for-sale

    Heres a few choices, new and S/H

    Shot a few factory spec 10/22's, bit of crack. I started out on a .22 semi as a young lad myself but for accuracy out of the box and a good all rounder I would be bias towards the Brno / CZ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    http://www.crescentsports.ie/index.php/guns-for-sale

    Heres a few choices, new and S/H

    Shot a few factory spec 10/22's, bit of crack. I started out on a .22 semi as a young lad myself but for accuracy out of the box and a good all rounder I would be bias towards the Brno / CZ.

    The 10/22 can be customized alot so thats why id be going for that and its around 400 from the link u gave me... a cz 452 looks like a nice gun but might be too pricey.

    Also have to get the go ahead from the parents also one of them has a licence for my .22


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    1shot16 wrote: »
    The 10/22 can be customized alot so thats why id be going for that and its around 400 from the link u gave me... a cz 452 looks like a nice gun but might be too pricy

    If your thing will be customizing then the 10/22 is the Barbie Doll of the 22 world, but you will spend a lot of money doing so.
    If I am correct in thinking, from reading other treads, to get a accurate target rifle you will end up swapping out 90% of the rifle by the time you are finished......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    Id just be putting on a archangel stock.Wont be swapping out barrel etc.Would it be accurate out to 70/80 yards anyone own one?

    The cz 452 is growing on me but would i get one for 400-450 ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    Read this thread if you're interested in those stocks

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76328290


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    Archangel stocks do look assault rifle looking... a bolt action cz would suit better in this case.Also the bolt can be stored seperate to the rifle in the gun safe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    The degree of accuracy is relative to particular use ie target shooting or hunting. If you want one hole accuracy then you will need to spend cash. If you want to burst bunnies and crows etc then a factory 10/22 will do the job no problem out to those ranges and beyound.
    I'm not the best to talk to about 10/22 as I don't own one, also if you read some other threads I've commented on about 22's I belive that real time hunting is restricted to 100 yards and below due to ballistics.

    You should be able to pick up a cheep CZ out there, price will depend on the bling fitted such as scopes etc. There's a lot of firearms coming up for sale do to the recession, be patient and keep an eye out.

    PS
    If your waining towards the 10/22, why not look at a .17, ups your quarry to include foxs as well as your range.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    The degree of accuracy is relative to particular use ie target shooting or hunting. If you want one hole accuracy then you will need to spend cash. If you want to burst bunnies and crows etc then a factory 10/22 will do the job no problem out to those ranges and beyound.
    I'm not the best to talk to about 10/22 as I don't own one, also if you read some other threads I've commented on about 22's I belive that real time hunting is restricted to 100 yards and below due to ballistics.

    You should be able to pick up a cheep CZ out there, price will depend on the bling fitted such as scopes etc. There's a lot of firearms coming up for sale do to the recession, be patient and keep an eye out.

    PS
    If your waining towards the 10/22, why not look at a .17, ups your quarry to include foxs as well as your range.

    Patience im not in a huge rush wont be using it much till next spring.Mabye have something sorted at Christmas halloween at the earliest have to send in my parents sub and then mine once theres is got.

    17hmr loud and ammo aint cheap

    525 rounds is 35-45 euro for .22lr youd only get 100-150 17hmr rounds for that and i would be shooting more than 100 yards atm

    Would a .22lr silenced be very quiet?also using sub sonic ammo?same as a air rifle?All help appreciated lads :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    I have two set ups, both Brnos .22 -

    Light weight fitted with : scope 3-9 x 40 (zeroed at 50m), mod, 5 rnd mags, shooting LV hollow points.

    Heavier fitted with (its the kit that make it heavier): scope 6-24 x 50 (zeroed at 50m), bipod, mod, 5 rnd mag, shooting LV hollow points. (have dope sheet for both HV & LV)

    I always use LV hollow points for hunting and have done so for many many years. Very effective and very quiet in the field.

    I use the value pack HV mainly for informal target shooting (out to 150m onto steal and clays)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    I have two set ups, both Brnos .22 -

    Light weight fitted with : scope 3-9 x 40 (zeroed at 50m), mod, 5 rnd mags, shooting LV hollow points.

    Heavier fitted with (its the kit that make it heavier): scope 6-24 x 50 (zeroed at 50m), bipod, mod, 5 rnd mag, shooting LV hollow points. (have dope sheet for both HV & LV)

    I always use LV hollow points for hunting and have done so for many many years. Very effective and very quiet in the field.

    I use the value pack HV mainly for informal target shooting (out to 150m onto steal and clays)

    Can you get LV in bulk pack of 500?

    A cz 452/3/5 all fit what im looking for as well as the bruno.

    Moving from a single shot 12ftlb air rifle to a .22lr is a big enough leap for any 16 year old.Good thing i practiced safety making sure safe backstop etc so it comes natural to me now!Fired over 2,000 so i c no problem for me to own a .22lr at this age if im safety conscious!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭cw67irl


    You can buy all cci ammo in blocks of 500 or even 1000, 500 Cci Standard velocity Maximum €45 great standard ammo, 10/22s love them, Well worth the extra tenner for them over the federal bulk!!

    Buy a 10/22 you wont regret it, Great fun gun and not as inaccurate as people think!! plus side being if you get bored with a synthetic stock you can swap it in seconds same goes for all parts!!

    I had a CZ bolt and yeah it was a good gun but not half as much craic as a 10/22

    You could even look up the latest model take down varient,. Even cooler than the average stock model!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    cw67irl wrote: »
    You can buy all cci ammo in blocks of 500 or even 1000, 500 Cci Standard velocity Maximum €45 great standard ammo, 10/22s love them, Well worth the extra tenner for them over the federal bulk!!

    Buy a 10/22 you wont regret it, Great fun gun and not as inaccurate as people think!! plus side being if you get bored with a synthetic stock you can swap it in seconds same goes for all parts!!

    I had a CZ bolt and yeah it was a good gun but not half as much craic as a 10/22

    You could even look up the latest model take down varient,. Even cooler than the average stock model!!

    Hmm i can take the bolt out of a bolt action to make it unusable to unauthorized person if they were to get access to the safe.

    10/22 would be cool but bolt action is just more practical and id have no ammo left within a day with a semi auto.Bolt actions are pretty sexy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Backfire


    Are you planning on getting rid of your hw97k? Think about it again before you do.

    I too own a hw97k but i wouldnt give it away in a fit. You can have a lot of fun with them and are suitable for shooting smaller vermin in areas where a .22 could be a potential risk. .22lr rounds can travel faster speeds and longer distance than any pellet fired by a 12ft/lbs air rifle.

    But i am in a similar boat to you. I too wanted to get a faster shooting and more effective form of firmarm so i am days away from collecting my CZ 455 thumbhole varmint .22lr with sound moderator for €650. Its has a hawke digital nite eye scope on it and strap. All it needs is a bipod. Its a lot of money i know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭One shot on kill


    I would think you would get a nice little cz for around 300 second hand obviously.

    And as far as I know you will have a few bits like scope bipod etc. so I couldn't imagine you haven to part with huge money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    Already have a harris swivel bipod and a nice allen sling.

    I know 22lr is much more dangerous than a .22 air rifle but i need more distance than 30-40 yards for the same price really.an air rifle that matches a .22lr range is about 1000 euro then refilling the bottle etc.

    cci quiet .22lr ammo seems very quiet in a suppressed .22 anyone try them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Backfire


    The cz 455 is the successor to the 452 and came out a few years ago. The thumbhole varmint model i am getting is more expensive due to the stock and the heavier barrel designed for accuracy. I know i am paying a good bit but its has the backing of a registered firearms dealer and i know if i have any problems i can bring it back to him for help.

    With regards to .22lr ammo, i am a novice in this department but hope to learn whats best over time. Sub-sonic is the way to go if you want to be quiet. I hear good things about a brand called Lapuea or something like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    do you have a suppressor for yours?


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Backfire wrote: »
    With regards to .22lr ammo, i am a novice in this department but hope to learn whats best over time.

    You'll have to experiment to see what your rifle likes. What's good in one rifle could be terrible in another. It's a great excuse to spend more time shooting! :D
    Backfire wrote: »
    I hear good things about a brand called Lapuea or something like that.

    Lapua, Eley and RWS are the brands that do high quality .22 ammo that you can get in Ireland. Lapua's lower end stuff is sold under the SK brand and that's also available in Ireland. Here's how their match ammo lines up (more expensive at the top, cheaper at the bottom):

    Eley|Lapua/SK|RWS
    |Lapua X-Act|
    Eley Tenex|Lapua Midas+|
    Eley Match|Lapua Center-X|RWS R50
    Eley Team||
    Eley Club|SK Rifle Match|
    Eley Sport|SK Standard Plus|


    All of those will be subsonic. Some or all of them will do dedicated hunting rounds too, though I'm not sure of the quality or availability since I only shoot targets. I've seen a lot of CCI ammunition around too so that should be available to try.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Have had good results on bunnies with Eley subsonic hollowpoints. Heard very good things about the Winchester subs but never used them myself. The Lapua/SK ones are meant to be good too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Backfire


    1shot16 wrote: »
    do you have a suppressor for yours?

    yes there is a suppressor coming with it. I dont know its manufacturer though.

    thanks IRLConor for posting that info on the ammo. Its either Eley or Lapua that I will be purchasing for my rifle.

    although I am getting 2 boxes of ammo with my rifle. My dealer just told me it will be sub-sonic ammo but I dont know what brand or how many will be in each box.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    Backfire wrote: »
    thanks IRLConor for posting that info on the ammo. Its either Eley or Lapua that I will be purchasing for my rifle.

    Don't discount RWS. Your rifle might like R50.

    EDIT: Oh, and if you're using this rifle for rabbits and the like, don't buy Lapua X-Act. You'd be cheaper buying the rabbits!
    Backfire wrote: »
    although I am getting 2 boxes of ammo with my rifle. My dealer just told me it will be sub-sonic ammo but I dont know what brand or how many will be in each box.

    Boxes are usually 50 rounds each. Some of the CCI boxes are 100 rounds each.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    CZ 452 American looks nice.

    Any ideas on what would i get for a hw97k in .22 Gamo 3-9X40 3/4 years old

    Paid 400 for it and was told if i was to trade it in the same condition id only lose 20% which is 320 but i has got a few nicks on the underlever and deep nicks eithier sides of the underlever catch but i added and underlever clamp and stock screw to it.Still dead on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭cw67irl


    Id say to be honest you would be lucky to get 200/220 trade in on it as he dealer will want to pay the minimum to try to maximise the profit on it!

    What about selling it privately here?? You will almost always get a better deal on a gun if you go in with cash!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    cw67irl wrote: »
    Id say to be honest you would be lucky to get 200/220 trade in on it as he dealer will want to pay the minimum to try to maximise the profit on it!

    What about selling it privately here?? You will almost always get a better deal on a gun if you go in with cash!!

    Hardly on a gun thats 550 brand new 3 years ago.300 would be the lowest id take unless i got a CZ 452 American cheap.

    For that id keep it but tbh i want to get rid of it wouldnt want to just want to sell it to a dealer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭One shot on kill


    The only way to find out is bing it into a dealer tell him what you want and see what he will offer. You never know what he might say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    The only way to find out is bing it into a dealer tell him what you want and see what he will offer. You never know what he might say.

    Ill have to have another 200-250 saved in case i only get offer 250 for the gun.

    If i sell it and buy a .22 rifle a week or 2 weeks later can i still sub it in?How do subs work?Need a sub because theres 2 licenced holders for the gun and dont want to got through the whole process again of applying and 2 licences that need to be payed when i can sub..22 rifle for .22 rifle?

    Bottom line need a few bob saved before i even think about bring it in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Backfire


    Sometimes dealers can be slow enough to take in air rifles, even the good ones by Weihrauch. They have to consider how easy will it be to re-sell it. I don't think air rifles are as common as rifles or shotguns and thus less demand.

    Well i am speaking from an above board, licensed perspective. I've heard of people having air rifles without any licenses, presumedly being smuggled in from the UK on the boat, hidden in cars. Air rifles are more common in the uk as you dont need a license for one if its 12ft/lbs power or less. My 97k is licensed of course :)

    I assume you prefer a sporter stock since you mentioned the cz 452 american. Take a look at the 455 american. Lovely looking gun, harder to find 2nd hand and probably cost more though. My local dealer had a 452 .22lr with scope and suppressor for €450 or thereabouts, but its sold now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    Backfire wrote: »
    Sometimes dealers can be slow enough to take in air rifles, even the good ones by Weihrauch. They have to consider how easy will it be to re-sell it. I don't think air rifles are as common as rifles or shotguns and thus less demand.

    Well i am speaking from an above board, licensed perspective. I've heard of people having air rifles without any licenses, presumedly being smuggled in from the UK on the boat, hidden in cars. Air rifles are more common in the uk as you dont need a license for one if its 12ft/lbs power or less. My 97k is licensed of course :)

    Yeah but they are handy for around farms etc.Not going to be using a rifle or shotgun in a barn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭One shot on kill


    1shot16 wrote: »
    Yeah but they are handy for around farms etc.Not going to be using a rifle or shotgun in a barn.



    No well you shouldn't anyway.

    Its takes noting to bring a gun in and your not committing to anything either your getting a feeler to what its gonna make. No harm in it.

    I think now I'm not 100% but I think two weeks after is when you can sub it. But the question is after what.

    If you trade it in its a sub straight away. Then if you pick a gun you just send I. All the info. That's what I done and it all worked out fine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭cw67irl


    Thats assuming your FO will allow you to sub an Air rifle for a 22lr, There have been instances where they wouldnt allow it go straight over so it was a case of cancelling and reapplying!!

    Just be prepared in case it comes to that!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    cw67irl wrote: »
    Thats assuming your FO will allow you to sub an Air rifle for a 22lr, There have been instances where they wouldnt allow it go straight over so it was a case of cancelling and reapplying!!

    Just be prepared in case it comes to that!!

    Yeah wouldnt be getting my guardian to pay 80 then 80 for me again as the super insisted a guardian to have a licence.

    Should be straight sub it was treated like a .22 rifle when licensed so i should be allowed sub for a .22lr rifle

    If not its complete bull as it says like for like ".22 rifle" on the licence for .22 rifle.

    Would it be a straight swap for a .22 air pistol and .22lr?

    How to find out dont want to sell my .22 air rifle put a deposit down for a .22lr find out my guardian has to re apply for a full pay 80 for them then me and end up paying another 160 euro!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭cw67irl


    You will have to check with the FO if they will allow you a sub from the weihrauch to a 22lr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    cw67irl wrote: »
    You will have to check with the FO if they will allow you a sub from the weihrauch to a 22lr

    I never mentioned it being an air rifle on the application and on the licence i just mentioned it as rifle.He rang to say a guardian needed a licence too and written consent from both guardians to say i can posses a firearm even though we said it was an ar rifle and not rifle he said its all the same licencing wise.

    They wouldnt know if the gun was an air rifle by the make as weihrauch do .17hmr rifles and 22lr rifles i believe hw66j?.Id doubt they would know a shotgun from rifle anyway or what was a stock or barrel :rolleyes: :P

    Might ask just incase.Is it up to the FO or Super?

    If i need to reapply so will my gaurdian most likely which means another 160 euro which wont be happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭cw67irl


    It will have stated what type of firearm it was on the fca application, Ie a semi auto 22 pistol or bolt action rifle or in your case an underlever air rifle!!

    Its classed as a firearm but its also classed as an air rifle.

    If you ring your FO they should be able to clarify if they will a straight sub or a cancel and reapply.

    At least that way if they say you cant sub you can forget about it or if you can you can start to investigate a 22lr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,014 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    1shot16 wrote: »
    I never mentioned it being an air rifle on the application and on the licence i just mentioned it as rifle

    FCA1 Section 3;

    You should have specified air gun and air rifle as the sub type.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    1shot16 wrote: »
    They wouldnt know if the gun was an air rifle by the make as weihrauch do .17hmr rifles and 22lr rifles i believe hw66j?.Id doubt they would know a shotgun from rifle anyway or what was a stock or barrel :rolleyes: :P

    Don't be so sure, yes some of the FO's are not up to speed on firearms etc, BUT many have been doing thier jobs along time while many others are shooters themselves. It is easier to correct a mistake or error made on the behalf of the Garda than one made by a applicant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    Blay wrote: »
    FCA1 Section 3;

    You should have specified air gun and air rifle as the sub type.

    Yea as sub type it shouldnt be that specific just what cal and shotgun ,rifle or pistol,Then u shouldn't be allowed swap bolt action for a semi auto etc.

    Also not underlever i ticked single shot.
    Don't be so sure, yes some of the FO's are not up to speed on firearms etc, BUT many have been doing thier jobs along time while many others are shooters themselves. It is easier to correct a mistake or error made on the behalf of the Garda than one made by a applicant.

    Probally 4 or 5 gaurds know their stuff in the countryand 10 or 20 have a fair idea with the rest knowing f all other than its a gun and thinking why would anyone need one.I got 200 rounds on my licence tins are sold in 500 how is that meant to work?logic :rolleyes:

    Hopefully i can sub it in otherwise its a scam money wise as 160 euro just to change (2 licences me and guardian) whats on the licence is a .22 rifle and what i want is a .22 rifle.My guardian shouldnt of even needed a licence its not like the FO said they have to accompany me or anything. Theyd do anything for an extra 80 quid for the state.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭lefthooker


    1shot16 wrote: »
    Probally 4 or 5 gaurds know their stuff in the countryand 10 or 20 have a fair idea with the rest knowing f all other than its a gun and thinking why would anyone need one.I got 200 rounds on my licence tins are sold in 500 how is that meant to work?logic :rolleyes:

    Hopefully i can sub it in otherwise its a scam money wise as 160 euro just to ch....................................................

    Apologies, I couldn't be arsed quoting the rest of you

    Firstly, I'm not the law here
    But I think you should show a bit of humility and respect to the powers that be and stop ranting.
    Cos your 16 and know **** all yourself.

    No one has a divine right to own a firearm in this country and its at your super's discretion whether to grant or not. And you'll be surprised at how much FO's know when they're doing their job day in day out.

    You've got a lot of misinformation and ideology and like the rest of the lads here I'm not trying to knock ya, just trying to learn ya.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    OP, Chill out a bit.
    The law in some parts is 'an ass' but it is the law.

    Firstly if you firearm is not correctly identified as a air rifle then you have the standard amount of ammunition that is granted to most .22 owners.

    Secoundly I must know all of the Garda who have a clue about firearms that you refer to, that's between my own local FO (over 25 doing that job), my brother in law, my good friend who was FO in another district (who always likes to know the ins and outs of his job) and finally the two Garda myself and my father used to shoot with.......

    Can I clarify something and I understand if you may not want to go into great detail. Do you actually own the firearm in the eyes of the law or do you have a training cert or secound license on it?
    This may have an impact on your sub and the cost of new license (I stress 'may', others here will know better).

    Some one with better and sound knowledge may be able to give the OP advice and direction.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    cookimonster have a full licence... like for like sub is a bit vague then.

    And yeah i dont know it all... although i dont have the right to own one theres no reason why is shouldnt be granted one.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    I haven't read through all the thread so excuse the questions.

    You say you did not tick air rifle/air gun in the appropriate section when applying? What does your license state?

    My reason for asking is if you have not got the correct license, technically you are not licensed for the gun you own. By that i mean if you did not tick air rifle, and the gun went through as a .22lr then you have a license that allows you to own a .22lr not an air rifle, and when buying ammo you can buy .22lr ammo, but not pellets as you have no license for it.

    I own a .22 & .17 but legally i have no license for an air gun so cannot buy pellets.


    Secondly the sub should be straight forward so don't get too worked up about it. apply for it as a sub, if that doesn't go through then decide if you want to go for it by having to pay for new licenses again.

    However the issue with your license can/could be an issue.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    1shot16 wrote: »
    cookimonster have a full licence... like for like sub is a bit vague then..........

    Then as Cass posted there should be no problem with a sub if all the paper work is well......

    Even with two separate licenses on the firearm there should be no problem, if memory serves me right the subject of subing a rifle came up in relation to two brothers being licensed on the same rifle, have a trawl for it. I think one party initiates the procedures and the other follows....... Any one jump in and qualify this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭1shot16


    Cass wrote: »
    I haven't read through all the thread so excuse the questions.

    You say you did not tick air rifle/air gun in the appropriate section when applying? What does your license state?

    My reason for asking is if you have not got the correct license, technically you are not licensed for the gun you own. By that i mean if you did not tick air rifle, and the gun went through as a .22lr then you have a license that allows you to own a .22lr not an air rifle, and when buying ammo you can buy .22lr ammo, but not pellets as you have no license for it.

    I own a .22 & .17 but legally i have no license for an air gun so cannot buy pellets.

    Going over the licence im sure i ticked "airgun" its just that it says rifle on the licence and being told the licences are the same for rifle and air rifle got me a bit confused.

    Best to ask before i commit to buy or send it in in the hope all goes well???

    Dealer said straight swap.

    Mabye if i chance not asking agree on a price for my gun let him store it away and agree price on the new gun if im not allowed i get my gun back if all goes well pay the difference?
    Cass wrote: »
    Secondly the sub should be straight forward so don't get too worked up about it. apply for it as a sub, if that doesn't go through then decide if you want to go for it by having to pay for new licenses again.

    However the issue with your license can/could be an issue.

    I dont want to commit that means 160 in already and 80 for me again and mabye another 80 if FO insists my guardian get a licence,Thats 320 euro in the last 6 months if i cant get a sub.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    1shot16 wrote: »
    Going over the licence im sure i ticked "airgun" its just that it says rifle on the licence and being told the licences are the same for rifle and air rifle got me a bit confused.
    They are the same in that an air rifle needs a firearms license like a fullbore rifle, shotgun, etc. However it is important to distinguish aqnd identify exactly what rifle you have when applying.

    If you did not say it was an air rifle, then you may be on PULSE as having a normal .22 rifle. IOW not licensed for the gun you have. I would contact your FO, ask them to check PULSE then use an FCA2 to amend any errors.
    I dont want to commit that means 160 in already and 80 for me again and mabye another 80 if FO insists my guardian get a licence,Thats 320 euro in the last 6 months if i cant get a sub.
    A substitution can be done if your current rifle, and the one you want are:
    • Bolt action
    • Unrestricted
    • Rifles
    • Similar/same caliber.

    When sorting out the details of your license ask your FO about the sub and s/he will tell you outright if it can be done. Problem sorted.
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