Why does Ireland put up with it?

creep

Why do the us the people of Ireland just keel over when the government continue to tax the crap out of us or do we not just give a ****e any more.

Witcher

You'll find your answer in one of the 500 previous threads on this topic.

MonkstownHoop

Join the protests or STFU

H2UMrsRobinson

creep wrote: »

Why do the us the people of Ireland just keel over when the government continue to tax the crap out of us or do we not just give a ****e any more.

We come up with our own new taxes - see Sugar Tax thread- cos were not paying enough fecking tax already.

hatrickpatrick

Ireland is suffering from a sort of national Stockholm Syndrome at the moment. Depressing to see in action. People have had it drilled into them that they deserve the injustice they are facing, and that's difficult to battle against when it's being pedalled by pretty much the entire establishment.

the_syco

creep wrote: »

Why do the us the people of Ireland just keel over when the government continue to tax the crap out of us or do we not just give a ****e any more.

Because the tax pays for the social welfare. Look at how **** or non existant the social welfare is of the countries that protested, and you'll find out quickly that we've only those working should protest, but we're usually too busy working...

The Pheasant2

We had a national vote in favour of austerity - we gotta pay our debts

Femme_Fatale

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Ireland is suffering from a sort of national Stockholm Syndrome at the moment. Depressing to see in action. People have had it drilled into them that they deserve the injustice they are facing, and that's difficult to battle against when it's being pedalled by pretty much the entire establishment.

All I ever hear is people complaining about it, certainly not accepting it.
The same people aren't offering any solutions themselves though and are bemoaning everyone else not doing anything, but not themselves.

mike65

Deep down we know that debts (even those run up by stupid governments and banks) have to be paid down to the point that the rest of the world will lend us some more money to erm, pay off in the future.

OriginV

No point rioting or that, Will only cost the goverment even more.

SafeSurfer

More people in Ireland are employed in the domestic tourism industry than by multi nationals. Yet the 12.5% corporation tax is a sacred cow which almost all political parties refuse to consider increasing.
Tomorrow the vat rate on our tourism industry will be increased despite the creation of 15,000 jobs in the sector as a result of the imitative.

Corporate profits have escaped any charge on their profits despite the application of a "universal" social charge on the incomes of all citizens.

Why are ordinary Irish workers continuing to subsidise the multi million euro profits of multi national corporations which are largely repatriated to their already wealthy shareholders.

OriginV

OriginV wrote: »

No point rioting or that, Will only cost the goverment even more.

Not if we bankrupt the country so much that we topple the government, then we all form small independent communes, and just go back to bartering eggs and the like.

Witcher

OriginV wrote: »

No point rioting or that, Will only cost the goverment even more.

Or people their lives like in Greece when protestors set a bank on fire and killed 3 people including a pregnant woman.

SV

Don't know what you're talking about, the dole is being increased to 350 tomorrow, everyone gets free private health insurance and tax is reduced to 1 percent. You heard it here first!

Celly Smunt

Protesting won't change anything.Voting will.

The strongest weapon the citizens have and they still don't use it.

SafeSurfer

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Protesting won't change anything.Voting will.

The strongest weapon the citizens have and they still don't use it.

I think many people don't vote because they realise it doesn't change anything. And I say that completely without irony.

Celly Smunt

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Protesting won't change anything.Voting will.

The strongest weapon the citizens have and they still don't use it.

It's become like trying to decide between getting syphilis or gonorrhea at this stage, both are gonna sting but it's up in the air which one will affect you worse in the long term.

jackthetrader

creep wrote: »

Why do the us the people of Ireland just keel over when the government continue to tax the crap out of us or do we not just give a ****e any more.

People dont care that much. I mean a normal society would have revolted by now, right ?

Celly Smunt

Deleted User wrote: »

It's become like trying to decide between getting syphilis or gonorrhea at this stage, both are gonna sting but it's up in the air which one will affect you worse in the long term.

It's not 100% what you vote.It's that you vote in the first place.

No vote is no representation,the reason pensions are still the way they are is because pensioners scare the shite out of the government because they'll always turn up at the polls.If the middle aged and young aren't bothered to vote then the government will continue to target them as there will be no real threat come election time.

An Riabhach

creep wrote: »

Why do the us the people of Ireland just keel over when the government continue to tax the crap out of us or do we not just give a ****e any more.

Because there isn't a damn thing we can do about it-apart from protesting,which merely shows publicly that we are against it,but does nothing else.
Possibly a reason for people emigrating too,as well as the jobs situation here.
Emigration-another thing the government doesn't give a flying fück about.

hfallada

Because in the long run its the right thing. Why should the government keep borrowing when we are living beyond our means. And then except the future generations who didnt cause the problem to pay?

I hate BS that austerity isnt fair. Neither is expecting all twenty somethings to pay for the debts of a generation who thought they should be entitled to being over paid, massive waste in services, huge welfare bills and paying **** all tax. If I heard another person giving out about austerity and yet they have worked a day in their life. I would drop kick them, but then their medical bill would be paid for by the tax payer.

Celly Smunt

Celly Smunt wrote: »

It's not 100% what you vote.It's that you vote in the first place.

No vote is no representation,the reason pensions are still the way they are is because pensioners scare the shite out of the government because they'll always turn up at the polls.If the middle aged and young aren't bothered to vote then the government will continue to target them as there will be no real threat come election time.

Successive governments have been targetting the margins of society who don't have the time, or the means, to get out and vote. They figured the oldies wouldn't mobilise but they did.

The state pension isn't all that generous anyway, what is generous is the full political pensions provided for only a handful of years service. Would be great to see that issue tackled.

Also, having people making more money in retirement than they were ever earning while employed is a joke.

Celly Smunt

Deleted User wrote: »

Successive governments have been targetting the margins of society who don't have the time, or the means, to get out and vote. They figured the oldies wouldn't mobilise but they did.

Polls open until late in the evening.
Means? what means?,everybody has access to get to the polling station whether it's walking to the local school,driving,bus,cycling or even jumping in the car with the neighbours.

Inexcusable excuses in this day and age.

awec

SafeSurfer wrote: »

More people in Ireland are employed in the domestic tourism industry than by multi nationals. Yet the 12.5% corporation tax is a sacred cow which almost all political parties refuse to consider increasing.
Tomorrow the vat rate on our tourism industry will be increased despite the creation of 15,000 jobs in the sector as a result of the imitative.

Corporate profits have escaped any charge on their profits despite the application of a "universal" social charge on the incomes of all citizens.

Why are ordinary Irish workers continuing to subsidise the multi million euro profits of multi national corporations which are largely repatriated to their already wealthy shareholders.

Can you back this up with something?

Also, what does "domestic tourism" entail?

Anyway, the reason the corp tax is low is well documented by now. This red herring is raised all the time by the left.

Celly Smunt

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Polls open until late in the evening.
Means? what means?,everybody has access to get to the polling station whether it's walking to the local school,driving,bus,cycling or even jumping in the car with the neighbours.

Inexcusable excuses in this day and age.

I dunno, might be difficult for a full-time carer or a single mother to make it over to a polling station.

Sure it's not like it matters, wouldn't they only be voting for one of them working class parties anyway.

Richard Hillman

People want lower taxes yet the left wing parties* are gaining popularity??? The PDs were a party that had low taxes on the agenda but were voted out of existence.

If we want lower taxes we need to make cuts to things like social welfare and public services.



*IMO they are all economically left wing. We have no centre right party in the Dail.

awec

Richard Hillman wrote: »

People want lower taxes yet the left wing parties* are gaining popularity??? The PDs were a party that had low taxes on the agenda but were voted out of existence.

If we want lower taxes we need to make cuts to things like social welfare and public services.



*IMO they are all economically left wing. We have no centre right party in the Dail.

People don't really want lower taxes.

What people want is to raise taxes for everyone else so they can pay less.

razorgil

creep wrote: »

Why do the us the people of Ireland just keel over when the government continue to tax the crap out of us or do we not just give a ****e any more.

there comes a point when people are just worn out by all this shít. consecutive governments promise much, but deliver nothing, forgetting all their promises as soon as they get elected, regardless of ideologies. as soon as they get the taste of power, they forget about us, we've suddenly become an irritation to them, and that will never change.

Cookie_Monster

SafeSurfer wrote: »

More people in Ireland are employed in the domestic tourism industry than by multi nationals. Yet the 12.5% corporation tax is a sacred cow which almost all political parties refuse to consider increasing.

those domestic tourism companies also get the 12.5% you know, not just the big evil multnationals

the_syco

SafeSurfer wrote: »

More people in Ireland are employed in the domestic tourism industry than by multi nationals.

Can you provide a link to this, as it sounds very suspicious.

Systemic Risk

creep wrote: »

Why do the us the people of Ireland just keel over when the government continue to tax the crap out of us or do we not just give a ****e any more.

Because we all got together while you were in the toilet and decided to fûck with your head.