'D4 accent will disappear after economic crisis'

Mr.McLovin

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/d4-accent-will-disappear-after-economic-crisis-says-language-expert-29651950.html

A leading expert on language, diction and vocabulary believes that the 'affected D4' accent, referring to the distinct pronunciation of people on the 'DART line' will soon disappear.

Lexicographer Terence Dolan, who has compiled the third Hiberno-English dictionary. said that he believes the accent will become outdated due to its associated with wealth, and subsequently the Celtic Tiger era - whose roar is little more than a meow these days.

oh no loike!! :eek:

Cody Pomeray

It's still going strong in UCD.

According to the conversation I overheard from the goys talking about some loik frat house/ california holiday nonsense at the coffee stand this morning with random allusions to "douches" and "mary's". God I hate UCD. :pac:

hfallada

It's the Irish independent which is about as factual as a tv3 documentary on travellers. If the D4 accent would disappear because of its association with Celtic tiger, why wouldn't the working class "ah jaysus Howiya" disappear with its link with the working class and poverty.

I know plenty of people in clontarf and Glasnevin who speak with stronger accents than someone from the south side. Accents change not disappear.

General General

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

It's still going strong in UCD.

According to the conversation I overheard from the goys talking about some loik frat house/ california holiday nonsense at the coffee stand this morning with random allusions to "douches" and "mary's". God I hate UCD. :pac:

UCD? UCD? Eh, that's like the slum TCD, isn't it?

Savoir.Faire

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

It's still going strong in UCD.

According to the conversation I overheard from the goys talking about some loik frat house/ california holiday nonsense at the coffee stand this morning with random allusions to "douches" and "mary's". God I hate UCD. :pac:

Perhaps you should have considered a more working-class 3rd level institution in which to study?

jimgoose

Nonsense. Should that dark day dawn we'll no longer be able to translate TV3's "clyde abyte" weather-girls.

Leonard Hofstadter

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/d4-accent-will-disappear-after-economic-crisis-says-language-expert-29651950.html



oh no loike!! :eek:

Bring it on! It is, BY FAR the worst so called 'accent' to ever affect Irish people. When I go to Dublin, I expect to hear people speaking with a proper bleedin' Dooblin accent, not that horrible Miriam O'Callaghan pseudo American / upper class English accent.

jimgoose

captainspeed wrote: »

Bring it on! It is, BY FAR the worst so called 'accent' to ever affect Irish people. When I go to Dublin, I expect to hear people speaking with a proper bleedin' Dooblin accent, not that horrible Miriam O'Callaghan pseudo American / upper class English accent.

The real "American / upper class English accent" comes from the New England/Mawwtha's Vineyaaawd area and drips with money. I worked with an American guy years ago who had that accent, he sounded exactly like Tony Curtis doing "Shell Oil Jr." in Some Like It Hot.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

I like the way a man with an opinion can get what he thinks put in a headline.

I think the whole countries accent is sliding towards an American twang, stick that up your lexicographical ass Terence!

Geomy

I know guy's from the bog arse of Clare who after one term in Trinners or UCD, DCU came home speaking like Bob Geldof

Women for some reason don't fall into that **** trap.
They seem to hold their corner and be proud of their respective country accent.

You should hear the surfer's out back in the beaches, yaaa roight like really loike :-)

Daddy bougthh me a 03 corolla because it's great for muckin around the surf trails.

He decided not to get me a beamer because I'd wreck it....

DonkeyStyle \o/

Meh, I speak with a mid-Atlantic accent. The bogger peasants in D4 are just fooling themselves if they think anyone's impressed.

reg114

I think the D4 accent comes from teenagers watching too much american ty

Cody Pomeray

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

Perhaps you should have considered a more working-class 3rd level institution in which to study?

Not sure what the D4 accent has to do with class.

There's something too conscious about it to be a genuine class marker. sure even the girls from west kerry talk in D4 accents after a couple of smokes outside the arts block. It's something a lot of people choose to do.

SEPT 23 1989

Those West Brits in Irishtown and Ringsend are the worst offenders

Ticking and Bashing

O - M - G

Savoir.Faire

Geomy wrote: »

I know guy's from the bog arse of Clare who after one term in Trinners or UCD, DCU came home speaking like Bob Geldof

Women for some reason don't fall into that **** trap.
They seem to hold their corner and be proud of their respective country accent.

I wouldn't agree with that assessment. I think this change of accent is something that applies to both sexes. I certainly know of a few ladies from the local town who I've tipped over the years who got off in Hueston Station for the first time to live in Dublin, and ended up with a Sarf Dublin accent by the time they got to Stephen's Green.

buck65

Most of the Leinster rugby players have it going on...Kearns, Dorce and Jonny I'm looking at you.

Geomy

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

Meh, I speak with a mid-Atlantic accent. The bogger peasants in D4 are just fooling themselves if they think anyone's impressed.

You should say it to them, imagine a d4 person taking on our lovely Clare accent they'd sound stupid. ..

At least that's your accent and it suits you.

Could you honestly trust someone who doesn't speak with their own tongue, they're actually living a lie...

Geomy

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with that assessment. I think this change of accent is something that applies to both sexes. I certainly know of a few ladies from the local town who I've tipped over the years who got off in Hueston Station for the first time to live in Dublin, and ended up with a Sarf Dublin accent by the time they got to Stephen's Green.

Ok I believe you, I prefer the UCC version though ;-)

The posh Cork accent is way more sexy :-D

Richard Hillman

reg114 wrote: »

I think the D4 accent comes from teenagers watching too much american ty

And where does the "howya" accent from? Watching Fair City?

Crooked Jack

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I like the way a man with an opinion can get what he thinks put in a headline.

I think the whole countries accent is sliding towards an American twang, stick that up your lexicographical ass Terence!

There's some truth in this. Any of my younger cousins who have Sky TV or any of those channels all have a definite American twang to their accents and come out with a lot of American phrases and terms.

I hope it's something they grow out of, I'd hate to think that regional Irish accents and colloquialisms (or "spakes" as my granda calls them) would be lost in favour of some bland, soulless yankee-anglo uniformity.

bodice ripper

Those of us with mid-Atlantic accents we can't help will be glad to see it go, if only so we stop being accused of being from D4.

Some people just have an American parent and/or moved a lot as a kid. :mad:

vixdname

I have to say that of all D4 accents I've heard, Lottie Ryan on 2FM has to be about the worst of the lot, its so manufactured it sounds like she bought it some where......

Ed Winchester

My kid is 4. Watches a lot of Peppa Pig. Now he speaks with a posh english accent.
Its gas!

Savoir.Faire

Some of the regional accents are awful as well though. I like to travel the country of a dry weekend, but would avoid places like North Meath, Monaghan and Armagh for fear of overexposure to their mouth noises.

The Monaghan accent is almost offensive to the ear.

Ticking and Bashing

The posh Cork accent is way more sexy :-D ?

Didn't know there was a posh Cork Accent haha

I was thinking that our Culchie Accents would sooner disappear than the D4 accent given the amount of people from de country who emigrate? I wonder are emigration levels the same in D4?

Geomy

Ticking and Bashing wrote: »

The posh Cork accent is way more sexy :-D ?

Didn't know there was a posh Cork Accent haha

I was thinking that our Culchie Accents would sooner disappear than the D4 accent given the amount of people from de country who emigrate? I wonder are emigration levels the same in D4?

I used to have a Shannon accent, moved up to North Clare now im getting a Burren twang :-D

Oasis_Dublin

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

Sarf Dublin

LOL. Those cockney mugs, eh?!

Cantona's Collars

The traditional Wexford Town accent is really strong so it's gas listening to teenagers down there now speaking with a weird D4/Mid Atlantic hybrid twang.The worst offenders are the wannabe hipsters.

vixdname

Ticking and Bashing wrote: »

The posh Cork accent is way more sexy :-D ?

Didn't know there was a posh Cork Accent haha

I was thinking that our Culchie Accents would sooner disappear than the D4 accent given the amount of people from de country who emigrate? I wonder are emigration levels the same in D4?

Probably higher as most of them were living off credit trying to keep up with the neighbours loike...

the groutch

it will exist as long as KPMG is still around.

How do people accents change that what I want to know, you accent is fixed by the time you are 6 or something like that. I use a lot of Irishisms when I speak and a fair few words in Irish I know I got this form my mother so surly the way parents speak is a much bigger influence that the TV?

how can peoples accent change as adults must be difficult to do.

Crooked Jack

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

Some of the regional accents are awful as well though. I like to travel the country of a dry weekend, but would avoid places like North Meath, Monaghan and Armagh for fear of overexposure to their mouth noises.

The Monaghan accent is almost offensive to the ear.

This fine lady, proves you wrong.

http://www.rte.ie/presspack/files/2012/12/raw5_cast_186.jpg

humanji

A leading expert on language, diction and vocabulary believes that the 'affected D4' accent, referring to the distinct pronunciation of people on the 'DART line' will soon disappear.

I'm confused. What does the Dart have to do with it?

Oasis_Dublin

humanji wrote: »

I'm confused. What does the Dart have to do with it?

I think they are talking about the Bayside accent. Bayside is on the DART line.

Fighting Irish

Great news story

humanji

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

I think they are talking about the Bayside accent. Bayside is on the DART line.

Bayside definitely doesn't have a D4 accent.

Oasis_Dublin

humanji wrote: »

Bayside definitely doesn't have a D4 accent.

But it's on the DART line. It, therefore, must have one.

humanji

I suppose so. The Independent wouldn't steer us wrong.

The Saint

humanji wrote: »

What does the Dart have to do with it?

What's Dart but a form of locomotion.....

I cant stand Americanism creeping in to our version of the English language having said that I think the D4 accent mines the Americanism is pleasant to listen to. There seem to huge resentment to the D4 type accent which acutely seems to be a resentment based on a stereotype, and a resentment of confidence, wealth, education, someone's accent does not define them I like lots of Irish accents I think the nordy accent is lovely!

jethro081

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

Some of the regional accents are awful as well though. I like to travel the country of a dry weekend, but would avoid places like North Meath, Monaghan and Armagh for fear of overexposure to their mouth noises.

The Monaghan accent is almost offensive to the ear.

nah, that's just when you come around. It's a very pleasant speech pattern, but we make it abrasive when we see people who are very obviously complete cunts roll into town.

Dyr

What focking crisis?

youtube!

I honestly thought this thread was about a rather average car made by Hyundai, need to get my eyes checked over.

Duckworth_Luas

Few years ago I heard Terry Dolan on Newstalk saying that the Dublin working class and other regional accents were doomed as girls, and therefore future mothers, were taking on an Americanised/D4 accent. Their children would follow then suit.

c_man

It's in danger? We should start shovelling millions into it, force feed it to kids and give it its own tv station. That'll save it for sure.

jimgoose

c_man wrote: »

It's in danger? We should start shovelling millions into it, force feed it to kids and give it its own tv station. That'll save it for sure.

Aye. We could call it the Thousand Year Roysh!

Surveyor11

I think they should be classified as a separate ethic group to protect this accent, like travellers. That would be pretty ironic.

Geomy

Geomy wrote: »

I know guy's from the bog arse of Clare who after one term in Trinners or UCD, DCU came home speaking like Bob Geldof

Funny, I find the opposite.

Vojera

mariaalice wrote: »

How do people accents change that what I want to know, you accent is fixed by the time you are 6 or something like that. I use a lot of Irishisms when I speak and a fair few words in Irish I know I got this form my mother so surly the way parents speak is a much bigger influence that the TV?

how can peoples accent change as adults must be difficult to do.

I speak in a very neutral accent with a hint of Dub. I'm from the back-arse of Donegal. I've been living in and around Dublin for over ten years and no one could understand a word I said when I first moved up so I had to make conscious adjustments to communicate. Now I can't switch back to my "real" accent unless I'm actually talking to someone from Donegal. I can't put it on on purpose but sometimes it slips out when I'm very tired or a bit drunk.

People have guessed I'm from virtually every other county in Ireland and sometimes even other countries, but no one believes me when I tell them I'm from Donegal.

Honey-ec

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

even the girls from west kerry talk in D4 accents after a couple of smokes outside the arts block.

Don't you mean the Orts block?

vixdname wrote: »

I have to say that of all D4 accents I've heard, Lottie Ryan on 2FM has to be about the worst of the lot, its so manufactured it sounds like she bought it some where......

Moychael McMullen from Today FM is even worse again.