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    #32
    234
    Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭234


    All of the above seems sensible apart from the conveyancing bit.

    Addresses don't define boundaries and the entry in the PRA is still authoritative irrespective of any post-code system.


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    #33
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Paulw wrote: »
    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    Do An Post have equipment that can automatically read addresses on letters?
    An Post sorting has been done by machine now since the late 80s/early 90s.
    Really? Does it read type written envelopes only, or your Granny's cursive, or even poorly legible scrawl?

    Not a legal issue I know just curious how that could work.


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    #34
    SpaceTime
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    234 wrote: »
    All of the above seems sensible apart from the conveyancing bit.

    Addresses don't define boundaries and the entry in the PRA is still authoritative irrespective of any post-code system.

    It still makes describing an address a lot easier and you won't have issues where a part of an address has umpteen different spellings etc which is quite common in old documents.

    Even on general documents for all sorts of purposes you can end up with 3 or 4 different versions of the same address in some cases. House names suddenly becoming numbers, town lands being changed etc etc.

    At least if you've the PRA + postcode it's a bit easier to look up!


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    #35
    SpaceTime
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Really? Does it read type written envelopes only, or your Granny's cursive, or even poorly legible scrawl?

    Not a legal issue I know just curious how that could work.

    It apparently reads both and where poorly legible scrawl flummoxes it, someone's presented with an image of the front of the envelope where they try to read it manually and key the address details in.

    At least it'd have more of a chance of reading just one line of code rather than 4 or 5 lines of scrawl.

    I'd say the majority of letters are probably typed labels anyway these days anyway.


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    #36
    hullaballoo
    Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,712 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    I presume it's the same technology that allows automatic cheque lodgement machines read the scrawled writing on them? It's not 100% accurate at reading handwritten notes but it's close enough for the purpose of identifying necessary aspects.


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    #37
    SpaceTime
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    I'd assume so but I think it's been around quite a while and probably has a lot more specialised software and powerful computers behind it.

    They're pretty expensive pieces of kit I would imagine and quite specialised.

    There's a youtube clip on the Royal Mail's system there : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BVHPmGIxBQ

    An Post's setup's not too different to that at those big mail centres.


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    #38
    Mykola
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    Mark my words the first thing these "postcodes" will be used for is the broadcasting charge.


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    #39
    GerardKeating
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    Condatis wrote: »
    Over the past few years signs have been erected at street corners in Dublin suburbs. These signs have a letter and numbers.

    Are they part of the new post code system?

    the numbers starting with "L" ??

    That's the "number" of the road
    "N" for Primary Routes
    "R" for Regional
    "L" for Local


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    #40
    GerardKeating
    Registered Users Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    Paulw wrote: »
    Yep, you are missing something. Every individual property will have it's own unique postcode -

    http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/2013/RABBITTE+GETS+GREEN+LIGHT+NEXT+GEN+POSTCODE+BY+2015.htm
    Mykola wrote: »
    Mark my words the first thing these "postcodes" will be used for is the broadcasting charge.

    But most Houses already have a unique code, the electric MNRP, and the Property tax number, they do not need to post code for the Broadcasr charge, they will just stick it on the Propery tax


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    #41
    TheChizler
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    Mykola wrote: »
    Mark my words the first thing these "postcodes" will be used for is the broadcasting charge.
    Go on?


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    #42
    trad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭trad


    Pity it couldn't be done by an Irish Company


    Registered office: 71 Victoria Street, Westminster, London SW1H 0XA. Registered in England No. 2081330.


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    #43
    source
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    Mykola wrote: »
    Mark my words the first thing these "postcodes" will be used for is the broadcasting charge.

    You've been given many reasons on this thread as to why we believe you're wrong.

    Why do you believe what you're saying is right?


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    #44
    TheChizler
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    It mightn't be quite on the legal topic, but are these codes coordinate based? i.e. are they basically loc8 codes, just government procured => horribly expensive?


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    #45
    SpaceTime
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    TheChizler wrote: »
    It mightn't be quite on the legal topic, but are these codes coordinate based? i.e. are they basically loc8 codes, just government procured => horribly expensive?

    Nobody knows yet as they've only announced very basic details of it. All we know is that it's a 7-character alphanumeric code that identifies each house and that the first 3 characters will be the general area.

    We also know that it's not going to be language-biased to either English or Irish.

    ...

    This is really straying off a legal topic though :)

    I think most people are agreeing that it's still just an address code so it will not be a data protection issue.


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    #46
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,266 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    An Post own GeoDirectory. Essentially the sorting system retains every version of every address that it has ever been presented with and associates them with a code. If it gets an of version of an address, it tries to match it to the code.
    Mykola wrote: »
    Mark my words the first thing these "postcodes" will be used for is the broadcasting charge.

    But An Post already have a database of every address in the country.


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    #47
    Going Forward
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    Victor wrote: »
    But An Post already have a database of every address in the country.

    Which indicates that An Post doesn't actually need a "Postcode" system costing E16 million.

    Why not let/make them share their own system with with the emergency services and encourage the general public to educate themselves about their own co-ordinates to prevent Joe the taxi or DHL getting lost and save us all E16 million?


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    #48
    Victor
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    Oh, there is data protection exemptions for the collection of taxes anyway.

    I'm not sure if Geodirectory is human friendly - the codes might be quite long.


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    #49
    SpaceTime
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    Going Forward wrote: »
    That would indicate that An Post doesn't actually need a "Postcode" system costing E16 million.

    Why not let/make them share their own system with with the emergency services and encourage the general public to educate themselves about their own co-ordinates to prevent Joe the taxi or DHL getting lost?

    Because their system doesn't identify every house either. It's completely proprietary internal system and identifies postal workers routes and sorting offices. That's all very useful if you want an ambulance or a pizza delivered to your nearest An Post depot.

    It would be about as useful as using your local bank branch code as part of your address !

    The last phase of it relies on the postman/woman's local knowledge.

    The term "postcode" is a bit of a misleading phrase anyway. It's got a lot more to do with things that aren't post. It's basically unique, coded geographical addressing. It's not really just an aid to mail sorting which is what some of the more primitive systems used on the continent and the US etc are.


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    #50
    July Rain
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    Does anybody know why millions of Euro is going to be spent on an new system when the loc8 system was offered to the department for free ?


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    #51
    TheChizler
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    July Rain wrote: »
    Does anybody know why millions of Euro is going to be spent on an new system when the loc8 system was offered to the department for free ?
    And have some addresses lose the Dublin 4 status, are you mad?! ;)


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    #52
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,266 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    July Rain wrote: »
    Does anybody know why millions of Euro is going to be spent on an new system when the loc8 system was offered to the department for free ?

    Would it be free to users?


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    #53
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    TheChizler wrote: »
    And have some addresses lose the Dublin 4 status, are you mad?! ;)
    What's happening to Dublin post codes under the new system? Won't they be redundant anyway?

    I can see why there might be some genuine reticence about upsetting the Dublin post code system, for any implications it might have for asset values.


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    #54
    July Rain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 196 ✭✭July Rain


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    What's happening to Dublin post codes under the new system?

    D4 will become D04 followed by unique household number.


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    #55
    SpaceTime
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    July Rain wrote: »
    D4 will become D04 followed by unique household number.

    That's one possibility. As yet we don't know the finer details.


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    #56
    Paulw
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,381 Mod ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    That's one possibility. As yet we don't know the finer details.

    No, that has been confirmed by the Dept of Communications. Dublin areas will keep their number. D4 becomes D04, D11 stays as D11, etc.


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    #57
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Where was that confirmed?


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    #58
    Paulw
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    Same as when I posted the link earlier in the thread - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86949857&postcount=19

    On the Dept of Communications website. Google is your friend. :D


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    #59
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    July Rain wrote: »
    Does anybody know why millions of Euro is going to be spent on an new system when the loc8 system was offered to the department for free ?

    Because loc8 was rubbish. Never worked on a single satnav for me and couriers calling to me couldn't get it to work either. The codes followed very little order as well. Rest assured it would never be for free from a private company.


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