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The NOT TV licence thread

  • 30-09-2013 04:20PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    RTÉ received €183.6 million in TV Licence revenue in 2011. As a result of an estimated 10%-15% evasion in the licence fee, RTÉ have sucessfully lobbied for a 'poll' tax style system.

    Would you support such taxation if such revenue could only be spend on:

    1. TV Broadcasts of national importance. Political events, State events and State sports events coverage. NO OTHER TV subsidies and all RTÉ output would be sold off as commercial enterprise.

    2. RTÉ would continue to broadcast RTÉ Radio 1, 2, Lyric and RnG.

    3. A greater percentage of the fee than present (7%) say 10% would go to the BCI to give production grants for Irish independant film-making and broadcasting.

    4. RTÉ Performing groups to be rebranded simply National and funded as before:

    RTÉ National Symphony Orchestra
    RTÉ National Concert Orchestra
    RTÉ National Vanbrugh Quartet
    RTÉ National Philharmonic Choir
    RTÉ Cór na nÓg (National Youth Choir)

    5. RTÉ Publishing to continue as now (it is self funded)

    6. RTÉ News to produce a free 24 hour Irish news channel and web presence broadcast via web streaming media/iTunes/Roku/SmartTV.


    In this format, would you support a Media Tax - if so would €100 a household be acceptable?

    Given a scaled back RTÉ would a €100 Media Tax be acceptable? 159 votes

    Yes
    0% 0 votes
    No
    30% 48 votes
    RTÉ iaguar
    69% 111 votes


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Comments

  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭Vinz Mesrine


    I will never support any kind of entertainment tax, especially for a pathetic institution like RTE who are completely incapable of making a decent TV or Radio show.

    Because of this i am in court in December and still have no intention of paying a TV licence or the ridiculous fine they will try to serve on me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭fl4pj4ck


    I would pay a Radio license if there was one as I only listen to the radio from time to time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    I will never support any kind of entertainment tax, especially for a pathetic institution like RTE who are completely incapable of making a decent TV or Radio show.

    Because of this i am in court in December and still have no intention of paying a TV licence or the ridiculous fine they will try to serve on me.

    What becomes of the other arts? Independent film-making and music for instance?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    MadsL wrote: »
    What becomes of the other arts? Independent film-making and music for instance?

    Fúck em.

    Or come up with another way to fund them that doesn't involve RTE. I would like to see RTE privatised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Fúck em.

    Why, should Irish tax payers not support the arts? Film-making is a significant competitive advantage that Ireland has to bring jobs and investment income into the country.

    "Feck em" seems a bit counter-productive?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 326 ✭✭Savoir.Faire


    I believe in a state owned public service broadcaster, and I think RTE does a middling to reasonable job considering the circumstances. Lots of the ranting about RTE is the usual poor mouth stuff that some Irish people do for a living.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Yeah you re right, I should have thought before posting. I edited my original post.

    I just really don't like RTE. I haven't ever paid for a TV license but this broadcasting charge will be unavoidable despite that fact that there is no TV in my house and I never listen to any of the muck RTE broadcast on the radio.

    The RTE symphony orchestra are good though, Id pay to support them alright. But not all the idiot broadcasters in RTE on 6 figure salaries. Its a joke.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭Vinz Mesrine


    I believe in a state owned public service broadcaster, and I think RTE does a middling to reasonable job considering the circumstances. Lots of the ranting about RTE is the usual poor mouth stuff that some Irish people do for a living.

    What circumstances?

    They get millions upon millions a year through TV licence fees and advertising and as i already stated, are completely incapable of producing a decent show(apart from maybe Love/Hate). The Late Late Show? The Saturday Night Show? No thanks, id rather keep the money in my pocket instead of financing that garbage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    MadsL wrote: »
    Why, should Irish tax payers not support the arts? Film-making is a significant competitive advantage that Ireland has to bring jobs and investment income into the country.

    "Feck em" seems a bit counter-productive?

    Could you please specify if it is a small F or large one in "arts". :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    MadYaker wrote: »
    I would like to see RTE privatised.

    Isn't that what I am proposing above?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    MadsL wrote: »
    Isn't that what I am proposing above?

    Almost.

    I doubt there'd be much interest in a 24 hour irish news channel. Though. Does anybody actually watch those? Most of the time there is nothing newsworthy happening so they end up reporting rubbish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Fúck em.

    I would like to support that motion.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 326 ✭✭Savoir.Faire


    What circumstances?

    They get millions upon millions a year through TV licence fees and advertising and as i already stated, are completely incapable of producing a decent show(apart from maybe Love/Hate). The Late Late Show? The Saturday Night Show? No thanks, id rather keep the money in my pocket instead of financing that garbage.

    So you'd suggest they operate strictly using advertising revenue. What would be onus on them to produce things like Nationwide, The Documentary on One radio series, Art Lives and so forth?

    It would end up like TV3 - Paul William's Celebrity Scumbag Lives. Where Paul goes undercover with Amanda Brunker and Gerald Kean to investigate what our celebrities get up to once the cameras are off. Episode one shows Brian Ormond scratching his ass and throwing a cigarette butt out the window of his car.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,926 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    I would like to support that motion.

    Seconded.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    So you'd suggest they operate strictly using advertising revenue. What would be onus on them to produce things like Nationwide, The Documentary on One radio series, Art Lives and so forth?

    It would end up like TV3 - Paul William's Celebrity Scumbag Lives. Where Paul goes undercover with Amanda Brunker and Gerald Kean to investigate what our celebrities get up to once the cameras are off. Episode one shows Brian Ormond scratching his ass and throwing a cigarette butt out the window of his car.

    Brian Ormond is on the RTE books, so if he is scratching his ass then it will be a public funded scratch.

    There was no culture or arts in Ireland before RTE............ or so they would have you believe.
    When the Late Late show is showing multiple youtube clips like it did last Friday night, it's easy to see that creativity there is dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Give us something that resembles the standard of the BBC and we might have less of a problem paying it


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭Vinz Mesrine


    So you'd suggest they operate strictly using advertising revenue. What would be onus on them to produce things like Nationwide, The Documentary on One radio series, Art Lives and so forth?

    It would end up like TV3 - Paul William's Celebrity Scumbag Lives. Where Paul goes undercover with Amanda Brunker and Gerald Kean to investigate what our celebrities get up to once the cameras are off. Episode one shows Brian Ormond scratching his ass and throwing a cigarette butt out the window of his car.

    Is that any less entertaining than what they show already?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    MadYaker wrote: »
    .

    The RTE symphony orchestra are good though, Id pay to support them alright. But not all the idiot broadcasters in RTE on 6 figure salaries. Its a joke.

    Not so good as they don't loose something like 20grand a week or something crazy like that - if they were all that great they'd be able to make money at it surely?
    Why should tax payers subsidise that, but not hip hop, or dance music? It's elitist bolloxology is all it is.


  • Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Johnathan Scarce Widow


    MadsL wrote: »
    Isn't that what I am proposing above?

    A tax is not privatisation no :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    No since if you don't avail of a service you shouldn't have to pay for it. No taxation without representation. Spend some of their money on better means of detecting evasion.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Could you please specify if it is a small F or large one in "arts". :)

    You have no support for Irish independent film productions like Intermission, Once, Adam & Paul, Agnes Brown, Breakfast on Pluto and the like??

    Could you specify if I should insert an F for these acclaimed films?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 326 ✭✭Savoir.Faire


    Give us something that resembles the standard of the BBC and we might have less of a problem paying it

    The Republic has about the population of Greater Manchester. It's unfair to make comparisons like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Ush1 wrote: »
    No taxation without representation.

    The phrase is taxation without representation is tyranny, and certainly doesn't apply here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    MadsL wrote: »
    Why, should Irish tax payers not support the arts? Film-making is a significant competitive advantage that Ireland has to bring jobs and investment income into the country.

    "Feck em" seems a bit counter-productive?

    I believe we should support the arts, but some weird dancing band of New age alternative shaven headed albinos who would rather pretend their artists than get a proper job?

    **** em.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    bluewolf wrote: »
    A tax is not privatisation no :confused:

    I'm proposing splitting the funding, and only funding National events as TV production, plus a web news function.

    The commercial aspects of RTE being sold off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    MadsL wrote: »
    The phrase is taxation without representation is tyranny, and certainly doesn't apply here.

    No the phrase is what I said before:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_taxation_without_representation

    And why doesn't it apply? If I don't have a means of receiving the service I shouldn't have to pay for it.

    Am I taxed? Yes. Does RTE represent me? No.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 326 ✭✭Savoir.Faire


    mikom wrote: »
    Brian Ormond is on the RTE books, so if he is scratching his ass then it will be a public funded scratch.

    There was no culture or arts in Ireland before RTE............ or so they would have you believe.
    When the Late Late show is showing multiple youtube clips like it did last Friday night, it's easy to see that creativity there is dead.

    Apart from an occasional nod by Newstalk (generously funded by Denis O'Brien) none of the independents dedicate much time to contemporary Irish History, art or the Irish language. When I see Spin 103 create a meticulously researched and produced 3 part radio series on the 1913 lockout then I might reappraise my decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    I believe we should support the arts, but some weird dancing band of New age alternative shaven headed albinos who would rather pretend their artists than get a proper job?

    **** em.

    Which "weird dancing band of New age alternative shaven headed albinos" got TV licencing funding last year, I must have missed that show. Shame, sounds interesting ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Ush1 wrote: »

    Stand corrected.
    And why doesn't it apply? If I don't have a means of receiving the service I shouldn't have to pay for it.
    Because it isn't a TV licence tax, but a Support National Media and Arts tax.
    You are capable of attending the National Concert Hall, or seeing an Irish independent film I assume?
    Am I taxed? Yes. Does RTE represent me? No.

    I have disbanded RTE above - your taxes are managed by elected representives, so no, your phrase does not apply in the case I'm proposing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    The Republic has about the population of Greater Manchester. It's unfair to make comparisons like that.

    Amazing how much great TV and radio has come out of Manchester over the years

    population size was never the problem its the lack of real talent feeding at the Montrose trough


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