not allowed to use toilet

byhookorbycrook

GarIT wrote: »

I'm pretty well aware, I'm only out of school two years and I've a brother still in primary school. It might be difficult for a teacher to manage a class of a load of little kids but you need to come up with another solution rather than denying their basic rights.

Errr... I am not denying anyone basic rights except myself.:rolleyes:

GarIT

An Coilean wrote: »

Actually, I disagree with the interperation of the law you are suggesting. I may well be wrong, but I don't believe that a duty of care that does indeed cover a reasonable access to toilet facilities implys a right to use them when ever you feel like it.




I have been in the situation in the RDF where if I needed to go to the toilet, there is no way I could have gone. If you are out on the Square you really cant just wander off to the toilet if you feel like it.
I have and would deal with it by using the toilet when I have the oppertunity and holding it until i next have the oppertunity.

I don't recall seeing the word reasonable anywhere, and the department of Education did completely agree with me when I threatened legal action and the school was asked to refrain from telling people that they cant go and to just make a note of when they do instead which the parents can see.

Maybe you can manage it, not everyone can. Especially children.

GarIT

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Errr... I am not denying anyone basic rights except myself.:rolleyes:

I didn't mean you as in yourself but more of another way of saying oneself or something like that.

An Coilean

GarIT wrote: »

I don't recall seeing the word reasonable anywhere, and the department of Education did completely agree with me when I threatened legal action and the school was asked to refrain from telling people that they cant go and to just make a note of when they do instead which the parents can see.

Maybe you can manage it, not everyone can. Especially children.

That they prefered to placate you rather than go through the hassel of going to court over such a small issue does not necessarily mean that you are right.
Thats the problem with having an excessivly litigious culture, its one of the reasons the US health care system is so expencive, doctors order lots and lots of tests that in reality are not necessary for fear of being sued. The tests are not actually necessary, but they order them to cover their own ass in case they get sued, quite possibly what is happening in your case, easier for the Dept. to plámás you than risk getting sued even if you are probably wrong.

araic88

As pointed out, most primary schools have toilets adjacent to each classroom so it isn't a big issue. I taught different age groups in a school like this & kids basically just had to let me know they were going. If I was explaining something, I just told them to wait a few minutes.
However in the school I'm in now 'toileting' is a bigger issue ;-) I have 2nd class and the nearest toilets are at the end of the corridor. There is a cloakroom beside it and there were issues before of things going missing from bags etc. At the principal's request, I bring all 26 to the toilets twice a day, so there's only ever an hour between chances to use them (when you include break times ) It's a nuisance but it works I guess. The kids don't often ask to go otherwise. Maybe they're worried if someone's one direction keyrings go missing from the cloakroom, their classmates will think it was them :P
Most teachers I know are not unreasonable about this at all, especially with younger kids. I see infants trot down to the toilets together regularly :-)

pooch90

Going to school is not the same as working in a school.
Yes, there are kids who will need to go urgently, we will know these children. We're not morons. We also know the ones who are going purely to get out of doing work.

Saying that explaining something over again is our job is just an ignorant thing to come out with. The curriculum is overloaded as it is, there actually isn't enough time to do the full allocation of time per subject since they introduced the extra hour in literacy and numeracy. I'm sure you'd be the first one whinging that the child didn't get their art this week because teacher had to explain the maths 6 times due to people in and out of the class.

GarIt, actually no we can't just ask the teacher across the hall to keep an eye on them while we go to the toilet because, if something happened then we'd be liable.

GarIT

pooch90 wrote: »

GarIt, actually no we can't just ask the teacher across the hall to keep an eye on them while we go to the toilet because, if something happened then we'd be liable.

That's funny, in 14 years of education I have never met a teacher that wasn't happy enough to leave a class completely unsupervised for a few minutes. From junior infants to around 2nd class they just sent 6th class students in to mind us.

pooch90

Still not meant to.

handlemaster

Personally I would talk to the teacher about it. I wouldn't care to much about the PC crap myself. If my child wants to use the toilet they can no its and buts about it. There would be a problem if it happened again.

byhookorbycrook

Asked and answered so am locking thread.