16"barrel .22lr

sniperman

hi all, anyone know any dealers who stocks new cz .22 lr with 16"barrels?.looking to trade in,thanks all.

noeleire

sniperman wrote: »

hi all, anyone know stocks new cz .22 lr with 16"barrels?.looking to trade in,thanks all.

Is it the cz 455 what county are you in ..

Cass

Paul O'Halloran in Drangan keeps a healthy stock of them.

sniperman

noeleire wrote: »

Is it the cz 455 what county are you in ..

hi im after the cz452 with 16" barrel,im in tipperary,thanks,would also like the 455 at the right price,im tradeing up a 2 year old 452.

sniperman

Cass wrote: »

Paul O'Halloran in Drangan keeps a healthy stock of them.

thanks cass,thats great;)

One shot on kill

Sorry now.

Are you tradeing in a 2year old 452 to of a new one. Am I right in thinking that. Reason why I ask is did cz stop making the 452. I know plenty of dealers still have new ones for sale.

sniperman

One shot on kill wrote: »

Sorry now.

Are you tradeing in a 2year old 452 to of a new one. Am I right in thinking that. Reason why I ask is did cz stop making the 452. I know plenty of dealers still have new ones for sale.

hi lad,yes im looking to trade up a cz452,i bought it new about 2 years ago.as i know chopping the barrel is not within the law,id like a 16" barrel,new,dont know if cz have stopped makeing the 452.

German pointer

From what I understand is that CZ have stopped making the 452 and are replacing it with the 455

lefthooker

By no means am I telling you what to do,....

But if you're happy with how your rifle performs and the only reason you want to trade is because you want the same CZ with a 16" barrel, well I wouldn't be trading.

sniperman

lefthooker wrote: »

By no means am I telling you what to do,....

But if you're happy with how your rifle performs and the only reason you want to trade is because you want the same CZ with a 16" barrel, well I wouldn't be trading.

yes i agree to a point,but with the mod on it,it is really long,and i would prefer a shorter barrel,i asked on here a while ago about getting it chopped,and was told it was illegal

lefthooker

I didn't say don't get a 16" barrel on your rifle, I just said I wouldn't be trading a perfectly good rifle. If ya get what I mean;);)

The whole barrel chopping issue is very much a grey area and this debate has come up many times. Gunsmiths are shortening and rethreading barrels every day of the week so I think them would be in the best place to advise.

Since you can prove your rifle is available with a 16" barrel I don't think you can run into too much bother. I think the barrel chopping illegality might be more confined to chopping your shotgun down to its foreend

Cass

lefthooker wrote: »

The whole barrel chopping issue is very much a grey area and this debate has come up many times.

The only grey is the buying of factory rifles with barrels shorter than 20 inches. As your license is legal authorisation this entitles you to carry/own the rifle, but technically it's still illegal to own one. Hence the confusion more than grey area. Only a court case will sort it out in terms of getting a definitive answer.

As for cutting a barrel to below 20 inches. That is as clear as day and no grey area at all. You cannot do it. The only legal reason to cut a barrel is to remove a fault or repair a defect. However the law is very clear and precise. It must be rebuilt to a length of no less than 20 inches. How this is done is not explained only that it must be.

So in short:

• Buying a rifle with short barrel = Grey area
• Cutting a barrel below the legal limit = Illegal.

Gunsmiths are shortening and rethreading barrels every day of the week so I think them would be in the best place to advise.

If they are cutting barrel below this limit without the need (no damage, fault, etc) then they are in breach off the firearms act if they do not rebuild the barrel to the minimum legal length. The fact that they do it does not constitute permission or legal authority. They are not the ones that will will suffer if a member of AGS decides to enforce the law to the letter.

Since you can prove your rifle is available with a 16" barrel I don't think you can run into too much bother.

The FCA1 does not allow for "Barrel length" as part of the details you fill in when applying. Hence the reason for the grey area. Once you get your license it constitutes legal authorisation to own/possess the firearm. It is contradictory at best and confusing at a minimum. It is also the reason why we keep saying a court case would be needed to clearly define the position on this issue. However who wants to be the first?

Plus if the court case was taken or simply an SI signed by the minister which clearly said no matter how the barrel came to be below 20" (factory or cutting) that it was illegal it would mean an end to any rifle with a barrel shorter than 20". So goodbye to all the short CZ 455s, all the Rugers, etc, etc. Would seriously impact certain sports.

I think the barrel chopping illegality might be more confined to chopping your shotgun down to its foreend

Nope. It applies to all firearms with the only difference being the shotgun cannot be shorter than 24" (barrel). A rifle 20".

lefthooker

How can buying a rifle with a short barrel off the shelf be a grey area if its the DOJ that grants the import license to the dealer???

Archaic and unclear contradictory firearms laws

Cass

Because on the import license, and on the FCA1 for the person buying, it never asks for the barrel length.

It's the same with many things. They are either contradictory or simply baffling. For example certain callers are illegal to use, but completely legal to sell. There are many more like this. They make no sense, confuse people, lead to speculation, and can cost someone their firearm.

sniperman

Cass wrote: »

Because on the import license, and on the FCA1 for the person buying, it never asks for the barrel length.

It's the same with many things. They are either contradictory or simply baffling. For example certain callers are illegal to use, but completely legal to sell. There are many more like this. They make no sense, confuse people, lead to speculation, and can cost someone their firearm.

i think the laws needs to be up dated,a person that dont know these grey areas buying a firearm can land himself in hot water through no fault of his own,stupid laws really.