So I think I just caught a dealer clock a car I'm interested in

Peanut2011

S28382 wrote: »

The OP is giving off the impression that he wont be reporting it any authorities. Im pretty sure in some way he is right not to as why would it be worth his time for something that prob wont be looked into deep enough for the dealer to be punished if needs be.

Just to be clear on this, clocking a car is not illegal, selling it under falls pretences is.

As long as you ask the dealer if the car is clocked or not and if you have a proof it has been and they do not confirm it then you have a case against them.

Not before that.

S28382

Peanut2011 wrote: »

Just to be clear on this, clocking a car is not illegal, selling it under falls pretences is.

As long as you ask the dealer if the car is clocked or not and if you have a proof it has been and they do not confirm it then you have a case against them.

Not before that.

I know its not illegal i never said it was.

mathepac

S28382 wrote: »

The OP ...

My post doesn't reference anything OP posted ...

S28382

mathepac wrote: »

My post doesn't reference anything OP posted ...

Sorry ill amend it for you......... The P..........

Anan1

dantastic wrote: »

Yup. And I've walked away from several privately advertised cars there now advertised as something they have owned and cherished for years and years only to find it's been trading hands twice in the last 3 months.

You will need to sort through a lot of chaff, but there are some questions you can ask that will help you to save wasted trips. Things like: Is this your own car? How long have you owned it? Is it registered in your own name? Can you talk me through the service history? This will help to filter a lot of sellers out on the phone.

aisr1ofk43dpy5

I think the OP should have waited till he's seen the mileage on the car for himself and asked the dealer why it was advertised earlier with less mileage before starting a thread with the title this one has.

dantastic

Ahmad Nervous Temperance wrote: »

I think the OP should have waited till he's seen the mileage on the car for himself and asked the dealer why it was advertised earlier with less mileage before starting a thread with the title this one has.

This is boards, you can't ask for a pancake recipe here without the thread turning in to a train wreck.

There is a lot of junk about and there are a lot of people quite capable of talking the talk as well so it really is down to you to ensure you get what you think you get.

I'm still going to go look at this one. I'm not turned off by the mileage. I do recon altering the mileage is a bit of an act of desperation and I'm thinking how to best cash in on that.

fl4pj4ck

and what makes you think (if of course the accusations are true) the dealer didnt clock it down by let's say 200k?
wouldnt that put you off if you knew?

Eric Cartman

S28382 wrote: »

But do you really want to buy a clocked car the hassle of selling on a clocked car is not worth it and as asked before are you going to tell any potential new owner that the car was clocked?

if the OP would be happy to buy it and its good value for a car with 90k on it then Id say go ahead, the OP could have it clocked back to 90k and have a very cheap motor.

However OP If you do take the car I would have a mechanic inspect it and service it straight away, the odds of that dealer having looked after it are quite bad.

Anan1

dantastic wrote: »

I'm still going to go look at this one. I'm not turned off by the mileage. I do recon altering the mileage is a bit of an act of desperation and I'm thinking how to best cash in on that.

Honestly, don't. Best case scenario is you waste your time, worst is you get shafted. With the best will in the world, these people have a lot more knowledge and experience than you.

Yawns

I wonder was one ad stating the mileage in km, whilst the different ad in miles.

aisr1ofk43dpy5

dantastic wrote: »

This is boards, you can't ask for a pancake recipe here without the thread turning in to a train wreck.

There is a lot of junk about and there are a lot of people quite capable of talking the talk as well so it really is down to you to ensure you get what you think you get.

I'm still going to go look at this one. I'm not turned off by the mileage. I do recon altering the mileage is a bit of an act of desperation and I'm thinking how to best cash in on that.

But you don't even know the mileage has been altered. From what I understand you've seen an earlier add where the car is down as having more mileage but there could be an innocent explanation for that.

dantastic

Ahmad Nervous Temperance wrote: »

But you don't even know the mileage has been altered. From what I understand you've seen an earlier add where the car is down as having more mileage but there could be an innocent explanation for that.

I'm saying it got an A+ on the duck test.

dantastic

Yawns wrote: »

I wonder was one ad stating the mileage in km, whilst the different ad in miles.

Stating both miles and kms. They both dropped and equivalent of 30k.

EazyD

Straight out ask about the discrepancy, you'll know fairly quick from their response whether its a genuine mistake or not.

Anan1

dantastic wrote: »

I'm saying it got an A+ on the duck test.

I don't think you have the experience to assess that.

visual

Peanut2011 wrote: »

Just to be clear on this, clocking a car is not illegal, selling it under falls pretences is.

As long as you ask the dealer if the car is clocked or not and if you have a proof it has been and they do not confirm it then you have a case against them.

Not before that.

It is not illegal for anyone to modify their mileage but it is totally illegal NOT to declare this when been sold. Saying nothing or misrepresenting the mileage is fraud.

The new buyer doesn't have to ask is mileage genuine if its not declared it is implied.

Just as the registration numbers is implied to be correct for that car.

Hope that cheers up all the clockers out there

aisr1ofk43dpy5

dantastic wrote: »

I'm saying it got an A+ on the duck test.

Still don't think you have enough information to say the car is clocked. When I saw the thread title I was expecting to hear you walked in on him doing it.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

fl4pj4ck wrote: »

if they're with SIMI you could surely report it to them
dunno if gards will react to something like this, they should imho

Garage owner's union set up to promote garages self interest, not the general public's?

What would they do?

Cee-Jay-Cee

I think your wasting your time as he can simply say it was a mistake and that someone else mixed up the mileage with that of another car. Unless he specifically told you the mileage was xxx on a specific date and now is advertising it with lower mileage then your not going to get very far.

If the car has an older style mechanical odometer which will generally shows signs if having been interfered with (ie the numbers are out of line especially the first digit) then you will have a job proving otherwise.

Go and look at the car, inspect the wear/tear on seats carpets pedals etc and the odometer (if mechanical type) and judge yourself and if you are still interested then bring up the discrepancy in the mileage in the two ads and see if he has a plausible excuse.

Del2005

dantastic wrote: »

Right so calm down every one ffs!

I have yet to see the car in person so I cannot confirm what it says on the odometer right now.
What I know is the car has been with the dealer for some time and this is the second major price drop. I also know that with this price drop the listings were updated with a new mileage.

The overall condition of the car would strongly suggest the higher mileage to me.

Report, ya, hahaha. Can't see that help either myself or anyone else for that matter.

Blackmail, strong choice of words. I'd like to call it bargaining power. If they are trying to sell me something with 60k and I can tell them, buddy, it's actually 90k. Can't see how that is blackmail.

When they first advertised the car it had 90k, now they have it at 60k. How do you know 90k was the correct mileage if you suspect they are clockers?

Peanut2011 wrote: »

Just to be clear on this, clocking a car is not illegal, selling it under falls pretences is.

As long as you ask the dealer if the car is clocked or not and if you have a proof it has been and they do not confirm it then you have a case against them.

Not before that.

Private sales you have to ask questions, dealers have to tell all they know.