water fast

dpp v mcgee

Is it possible to undertake a water fast while working? I'm going to do a 14 day one for health benefits.

john_cappa

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

Is it possible to undertake a water fast while working? I'm going to do a 14 day one for health benefits.

What health benefits do you expect?

john_cappa

Double post oops!

dpp v mcgee

john_cappa wrote: »

What health benefits do you expect?

increased mental clarity

MadYaker

No water for 14 days or no liquids for 14 days? Everything humans drink is mostly made of water. You'll be dead within a week without it.

Seriously there are no health benefits to giving up water.

john_cappa

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

increased mental clarity

How is that going to result?

dpp v mcgee

MadYaker wrote: »

No water for 14 days or no liquids for 14 days? Everything humans drink is mostly made of water. You'll be dead within a weekbenefits to giving up water.

What you mentioned is a dry fast. I will be drinking water for fourteen days.

john_cappa wrote: »

How is that going to result?

I don't know I'm not a scientist but it's one of the alleged benefits.

Orla K

It's not really a water fast, it's a food fast. No food for x amount of days, which lets be honest here it's just like anorexia without the body dismorphic disorder.

dpp v mcgee

Orla K wrote: »

It's not really a water fast, it's a food fast. No food for x amount of days, which lets be honest here it's just like anorexia without the body dismorphic disorder.

And yours is just one opinion out of thousands of others?

Although I do agree with you, the fasting community refer to it as water fasting to distinguish it from juice fasting and dry fasting. I didn't make it up.

btw fasting isn't a new fad, its been around for thousands of years.

Orla K

And trust me most people will share my opinion.

I've decided to be blunt, so I'm probably going to offend you

A 'water fast' is just plain stupid. The majority of people in the fasting community are misguided at best. I'm going to say no, you shouldn't do this while working your performance will more than likely suffer but I bet ye you only came on here because you wanted someone to say 'yeah go for it' you just want to do it and I doubt you'll listen to anyone with a different opinion.

I also never said you made it up, just that the name can be misleading.
I also never mentioned it being a fad or not and I don't care what it is, it's stupid.

I will say that I had to do a 'water fast' with my cat before for one day, because even though he had severe digestive(and it was red/brown squirty severe!) after that he just needed a special diet.

So there is a point to it, but it's stupid to do it when not needed. Just eat real food ffs.

john_cappa

Orla K wrote: »

And trust me most people will share my opinion.

I've decided to be blunt, so I'm probably going to offend you

A 'water fast' is just plain stupid. The majority of people in the fasting community are misguided at best. I'm going to say no, you shouldn't do this while working your performance will more than likely suffer but I bet ye you only came on here because you wanted someone to say 'yeah go for it' you just want to do it and I doubt you'll listen to anyone with a different opinion.

I also never said you made it up, just that the name can be misleading.
I also never mentioned it being a fad or not and I don't care what it is, it's stupid.

I will say that I had to do a 'water fast' with my cat before for one day, because even though he had severe digestive(and it was red/brown squirty severe!) after that he just needed a special diet.

So there is a point to it, but it's stupid to do it when not needed. Just eat real food ffs.

Echos my sentiments.

But the body needs to detox! We need to clean the badness out. Actually the body has this amazing organ called the liver whose function is just that!

dpp v mcgee

Orla K wrote: »

And trust me most people will share my opinion.

Not from what I read. Perhaps the ill informed?

Orla K wrote: »

I've decided to be blunt, so I'm probably going to offend you

A 'water fast' is just plain stupid. The majority of people in the fasting community are misguided at best. I'm going to say no, you shouldn't do this while working your performance will more than likely suffer but I bet ye you only came on here because you wanted someone to say 'yeah go for it' you just want to do it and I doubt you'll listen to anyone with a different opinion.

Was the title a dead giveaway? I've my mind made up on the matter and I'm going one step further and trying it to see if lives up to wht people have been saying about it.

Orla K wrote: »

I also never said you made it up, just that the name can be misleading.

Yes and that point I agreed with you.

Orla K wrote: »

I also never mentioned it being a fad or not and I don't care what it is, it's stupid.

I will say that I had to do a 'water fast' with my cat before for one day, because even though he had severe digestive(and it was red/brown squirty severe!) after that he just needed a special diet.

So there is a point to it, but it's stupid to do it when not needed. Just eat real food ffs.

Right. Of all the opinions of water fasting I've read and the reasons people chose to oppose it, yours is by the far dumbest I've read.

Orlaw3136

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

Was the title a dead giveaway? I've my mind made up on the matter and I'm going one step further and trying it to see if lives up to wht people have been saying about it.

Belt away so - why do you need anyone's advice or opinions ? Why bother asking for them

Off with you and enjoy yourself *yawn*.

Orla K

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

Not from what I read. Perhaps the ill informed?



Was the title a dead giveaway? I've my mind made up on the matter and I'm going one step further and trying it to see if lives up to wht people have been saying about it.



Yes and that point I agreed with you.



Right. Of all the opinions of water fasting I've read and the reasons people chose to oppose it, yours is by the far dumbest I've read.

It wasn't a very well written one or elaborate one because it's late and I normally like to have my laptop off by this time because I don't like the laptop messing with my melatonin and sleep. I can have a much more detailed reply as to why it's stupid tomorrow. This is a discussion forum too so it's absolutely pointless just to post something for someone to give you the green light on something your probably going to try anyway.

dpp v mcgee

Orla K wrote: »

It wasn't a very well written one or elaborate one because it's late and I normally like to have my laptop off by this time because I don't like the laptop messing with my melatonin and sleep. I can have a much more detailed reply as to why it's stupid tomorrow. This is a discussion forum too so it's absolutely pointless just to post something for someone to give you the green light on something your probably going to try anyway.

judging by your previous posts it's comforting to know that it wouldn't make a hell of a lot of difference if you posted during the day since your opinion is geared towards things such as 'soya milk is bad for you' not considering that it has been a diet staple in Asia for thousands of years, where (if it can be said) the people on mass are far healthier there than those in the west. You also advocate whey protein shakes and porridge and eggs (together!) for breakfast.

God forbid if I lived in a country where cow's milk wasn't available, what would I do for my protein and calcium, I would likely die!

MadYaker

Your brain needs nutrients from food to function. So how exactly could not eating bring increased mental clarity?

Can you define increased mental clarity for us? Seems a very vague definition.

john_cappa

OP is trying to insinuate that someone who replied to their thread is stupid lol.

Irony is strong here!

JJayoo

OP don't listen to the haters, but can you please keep a log of your 14 day fast, a detailed log.

Henry9

JJayoo wrote: »

OP don't listen to the haters, but can you please keep a log of your 14 day fast, a detailed log.

Definitely do it, some people are so closed minded and negative, they could probably use some more mental clarity themselves!

Porridge & eggs for breakfast? Together? Go back to Russia!

Henry9

john_cappa wrote: »

Irony is strong here!

You probably need to detox to clear out the excess iron. Have you considered a water fast?

Hatfry

OP to be honest this water fasting you speak of does make sense to a certain extent, but 14 days sounds a bit out there, doesn't seem natural at all. I can imagine you will be very lethargic and depleted in various nutrients by the end of it, that's if you can stick it out.

While you will possibly benefit from the detoxification process your body will go through there are much better tried and tested ways to achieve the mental clarity and detox effects of a fast that you desire.

Check out the "warrior diet", I gave it a go for a couple months before and I did feel increased focus and mental clarity throughout the day up until the big meal, also afaik the lack of food throughout the day lets your body focus on healing and detoxifying itself rather than digesting food.

Coffee enemas will also speed up your livers capacity to detoxify by a reported 700% in some cases. Also make you feel very very healthy and focused from experience

Mellor

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

btw fasting isn't a new fad, its been around for thousands of years.

Hatfry

MadYaker wrote: »

Your brain needs nutrients from food to function. So how exactly could not eating bring increased mental clarity?

Can you define increased mental clarity for us? Seems a very vague definition.

The sympathetic nervous system will be dominant throughout the fast and will bring with it increased focus and mental clarity.

IrishLad90

Go for it. volvic challenge would have been a better way to start the thread. but hey who am i to judge.
get a 2 litre bottle mark times on it at every 200ml and have that much drank by then e.g 2pm 4pm

Chancer3001

This'll work out fine.

I hate it when food makes me stupid.

oq4v3ht0u76kf2

For what it's worth, I've done a couple of eighty hour fasts - I'm not sure what the correct name for them is per the "fasting community" but all I had during the eighty hours was water and a teaspoon of salt every day (for some reason sodium was deemed important during the fast).

Hunger comes in waves but generally dissipates pretty quickly once you're drinking lots of water. The hunger waves did feel a little more "intense" during the middle of the fast but that was probably just the psychological peak between "I've just started fasting" and "nearly there, I can eat soon" rather than anything physiological.

I continued training and working during the fasts but as my "normal" diet is low-carb (<20g/day) I am pretty well keto-adapted so my primary energy source was still there (body fat... I have plenty).

My main motivation for the first one was just to see if I could do it... motivation for the second was to measure the impact on IGF-1 (it dropped, as expected).

I won't lie, the first meals after both fasts were pretty excellent but at the same time I felt like I could probably have gone on a couple of days more.

Fourteen days sounds pretty rough though... if I was committing to that I'd want some hard data pre- and post-fast so I could see what the impact was and whether it was worth it.

There you go. Totally anecdotal experience from a stranger on the Internet who's done ~24% as long of a fast as you're planning.

Oryx

What are the purported benefits of such a fast? 'Mental clarity' is too subjective to me.

I've heard of short fasts or the intermittent ones which do seem to have benefits and people reported the whole mental clarity thing too
But 14 days...?
No

Dravokivich

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

increased mental clarity

Sure it'll get you focused. Focused on food...

cc87

http://www.theclearpill.com/

conzy

Are you doing this to lose weight?

Assuming you have a BMR of 2000cals or so you will essentially create a 28000 calorie defecit which is 8lbs of fat..

But you will probably lose a lot of muscle / die and be beyond miserable for the duration of the experiment.

Why not hit the gym and eat well and lose that 8lbs over 4-5 weeks and get stronger while you're at it?

dpp v mcgee

MadYaker wrote: »

Your brain needs nutrients from food to function..

Correction, your brain needs nutrients and glucose to function.

MadYaker wrote: »

So how exactly could not eating bring increased mental clarity?

When the body enters a fasted state it enters into a state of ketosis from my understanding of it. Ketosis is when the body switches to burning body fat for energy.

Like another poster said, the sympathetic nervous system is dominant during the fasting period bringing with it heightened clarity.

john_cappa wrote: »

OP is trying to insinuate that someone who replied to their thread is stupid lol.

Irony is strong here!

Scorn not his simplicity. :rolleyes:

Oryx wrote: »

What are the purported benefits of such a fast? 'Mental clarity' is too subjective to me.

There's plenty of info on youtube and the net.

Oryx

There's plenty of info on youtube and the net.

Yeah, but I thought we were discussing it here.

dpp v mcgee

conzy wrote: »

Are you doing this to lose weight?

Assuming you have a BMR of 2000cals or so you will essentially create a 28000 calorie defecit which is 8lbs of fat..

But you will probably lose a lot of muscle / die and be beyond miserable for the duration of the experiment.

Why not hit the gym and eat well and lose that 8lbs over 4-5 weeks and get stronger while you're at it?

I don't have problems with weight, I'm a very active person. I'm doing it for detox and personal experimental research.

cc87

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

There's plenty of info on youtube and the net.

But theres no real evidence to support it. Even evidence for fasting in general isnt great, most studies are short term fasting (under 24hr) and involve either elite athletes or special populations, neither of which are much use for the weekend warrior or general population.

Granted theres loads of anecdotal evidence about it and thats all good but even the most ardent of fasting supporters would say a 14 day fast is madness.

However even looking at the claims made about water fasts, because you arent eating food you have more energy to expend on healing your body and so on, unless you have an abundance of fat stores on your body, where will this energy come from?

dpp v mcgee

cc87 wrote: »

However even looking at the claims made about water fasts, because you arent eating food you have more energy to expend on healing your body and so on, unless you have an abundance of fat stores on your body, where will this energy come from?

Will power

Blacktie.

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

Will power

Magic!

amazingemmet

Despite how bad an idea this might be I'm totally in favour of people experimenting with their bodies in various ways. So please please please ignore the naysayers and keep a log.

Obviously if you wanted to do this properly, you'd do it with medical supervision, getting blood work done before starting, at the middle point and end point.

Your water would have a decent amount of minerals added to it for this you can get stuff called "azomite" (this is just generally good stuff to add to your water even if non fasting). Personally I'd get a water filter as it tastes nicer then tap water.

Morninglory

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

Is it possible to undertake a water fast while working? I'm going to do a 14 day one for health benefits.

****ing hell man, dont do it.

Chancer3001

Isaac Newton used to stick pins in his eyes, just to see what'd happen.

So hey, go knock yourself out.

I guarantee you won't last the week.

Your common sense will eventually kick in

Pretzill

I had to fast once for a medical procedure - it was liquid only for three days only - I could drink water, clear unfizzy drinks, no alcohol, clear light soup or bovril. After the first day where I was so hungry everyone looked like a basted turkey ala Tom & Jerry, it wasn't too bad and I really only drank water. I was so hungry for food I don't think I would have lasted more than 3 days.

But I felt great. But doing it longer no way! IMHO

Drained_Empty

hi dpp, I know you said to google it and look at youtube videos but can you link me to the best source in your opinion on this, or exactly the protocol you are sticking to.

It does sound ridiculous. And dangerous. I will set my stall up here so there is no doubt.

If you are going to drink exactly tap water and nothing else for 14 days, which is essentially starvation not fasting, I think you should at least be taking some kind of mineral supplement so you receive your daily recommended potassium and sodium. Otherwise you are going to massively dilute the chemical balance of your body, causing a hyponatremic and hypokalemic state.

Higher state of conciousness? nirvana? heightened state of awareness? detox? I think you'll go through all of cramps, nausea, hunger, confusion, lethary, irritation before you find any euphoria.

Be careful in any case!

Chancer3001

Op, regarding detox, maybe read this

http://skeptoid.com/mobile/4083

thegreatiam

Oryx wrote: »

What are the purported benefits of such a fast? 'Mental clarity' is too subjective to me.

About half way through you get the mental epiphany that youre hungry and that anyone who needlessly starves them selves is a muppet.

Some people just need to experience this realisation first hand rather than simply accepting the fact.

Alf Veedersane

Teresa Raspy Lamb wrote: »

I won't lie, the first meals after both fasts were pretty excellent but

Did it for 24 hours and couldn't manage more than a small chicken and mushroom bake.

I felt cheated by that.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

amazingemmet wrote: »

I'm totally in favour of people experimenting with their bodies in various ways.

titter........:D

What would be interesting would be the bodyfat % before and after...is it possible that you would eat away any muscle you have? I couldnt see it being healthy to starve yourself for 14 days, what happens after a massive 20k calorie binge....

Alf Veedersane

Adeline Uneven Sprinter wrote: »

what happens after a massive 20k calorie binge....

Euphoria.

thegreatiam

then, 24 hours later, a 20kcal dump. make sure to warm up correctly before starting.

Alf Veedersane

thegreatiam wrote: »

then, 24 hours later, a 20kcal dump. make sure to warm up correctly before starting.

Probably need to invest in a gumshield for biting down on for that too.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S376iimvXIQ

thegreatiam

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Probably need to invest in a gumshield for biting down on that too.

probably should not bite down on a 20kcal poo. even with a shield.