Disabled parking spaces. Do you..

Artful_Badger

Ghost Buster wrote: »

You are simply reiterating the same 'odds' are they wont be needed and sure I'll only be a minute' bunkum over and over without engaging with the actual points of any poster which counters this.

That's just simply a lie. I have addressed every point put to me and explained my reasons for having my opinion. If several people want to bring up the same thing then I'm inevitably going to be repeating my argument.

Posters addressing me and my opinion telling me I'm wrong here not the other way round. So its up to them to make a reasonable argument as to why I'm wrong.

Artful_Badger

malkmoose wrote: »

But it's not for you to decide that. You should abide by the law/rule set out by the business. Its not 'suggested parking', the business has decided to set out disabled and parent child spaces. They sometimes don't allow people in their shops wearing pyjamas or tops off etc. just another rule.

The decision you can make is not go there.

Of course its up to me to decide, a business has no authority over me other than to recommend behavior which is there for the benefit of the business and refuse me service if I am being a problem or call the actual authorities if I'm breaking the law. Its a business and it does what it does to cater for their customers and abide by regulations. They are legally required to have these spaces, to cater for customers with certain needs and do what they can to make sure those spaces are available when people need them.

I see no reason why not strictly adhering to rules of the car park is a problem if my actions are not affecting anyone and I'm not breaking the law as laid down by the actual authorities (as far as I'm aware its not illegal to park without a permit in a disabled spot in a private car park). The business wont be affected and the people who need the spaced wont be affected.

Senna

There are two customer disabled spaces right in-front of my work (with more at another entrance) and both could be used by genuine disabled people for most of the day.
I used to try and make sure they were free for disabled drivers but now I don't bother, a couple of times I asked drivers if they realised that was a disabled spot (were there was no sticker on the window and they had no obvious disability) but they were actually disabled or were picking up a disabled person, the grief I got from them was ridiculous. If they cant realise that I was only trying to help "them", then **** them. Disabled people can be w*nkers too.

bruschi

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Of course its up to me to decide, a business has no authority over me other than to recommend behavior which is there for the benefit of the business and refuse me service if I am being a problem or call the actual authorities if I'm breaking the law. Its a business and it does what it does to cater for their customers and abide by regulations. They are legally required to have these spaces, to cater for customers with certain needs and do what they can to make sure those spaces are available when people need them.

I see no reason why not strictly adhering to rules of the car park is a problem if my actions are not affecting anyone and I'm not breaking the law as laid down by the actual authorities (as far as I'm aware its not illegal to park without a permit in a disabled spot in a private car park). The business wont be affected and the people who need the spaced wont be affected.

the fact you cant actually see why its wrong, and only speak of legal terms says it all.

There is a thing called morals. its that nagging feeling other people get when they do something against their better judgement. There is also something called common courtesy too. Its being decent and as a phrase goes, not being a dick.

Why do you think that it is ok for you to park in a disabled spot whenever the mood takes you? And why do you think that many more dont do it, and dont block up these spots which leaves you free to park in them?

Does the extra few metres you save walking actually help you?

Artful_Badger

bruschi wrote: »

the fact you cant actually see why its wrong, and only speak of legal terms says it all.

There is a thing called morals. its that nagging feeling other people get when they do something against their better judgement. There is also something called common courtesy too. Its being decent and as a phrase goes, not being a dick.

Why do you think that it is ok for you to park in a disabled spot whenever the mood takes you? And why do you think that many more dont do it, and dont block up these spots which leaves you free to park in them?

Does the extra few metres you save walking actually help you?

I'm not only speaking in legal terms, that would be clear to you if you read my other posts. I am only speaking in legal terms in relation to the "rules" of the supermarket. I sincerely doubt anyone get their morals from a supermarket.

And I have addressed the other points several times and its going to be a pointless endeavor to go over them again. If you are actually interested in my view on those points read back through my posts I have covered them all.

At this point I'm afraid I'm gonna have to bow out of this discussion as its just going to go in circles peppered with ignorant digs by people with no interest in anything but insulting others. I've made my views known and defended them in a reasonable manner and I havent read anything anyone has posted that makes me think I am wrong to hold those views. If anyone has read all my posts and wishes to continue the discussion or make a point by all means pm me.

Ghost Buster

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I'm not only speaking in legal terms, that would be clear to you if you read my other posts. I am only speaking in legal terms in relation to the "rules" of the supermarket. I sincerely doubt anyone get their morals from a supermarket.

And I have addressed the other points several times and its going to be a pointless endeavor to go over them again. If you are actually interested in my view on those points read back through my posts I have covered them all.

I'll simply take some joy in the fact that 99% of people watching you park in a disabled space think youre a c8nt.



The 1% being Fred Swanson who has just finished chastising his own Mother for breeding him.

Fred Swanson

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Gosub

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Yeah, but as long as they don't produce kids, you're golden.

Nitochris

Senna wrote: »

There are two customer disabled spaces right in-front of my work (with more at another entrance) and both could be used by genuine disabled people for most of the day.
I used to try and make sure they were free for disabled drivers but now I don't bother, a couple of times I asked drivers if they realised that was a disabled spot (were there was no sticker on the window and they had no obvious disability) but they were actually disabled or were picking up a disabled person, the grief I got from them was ridiculous. If they cant realise that I was only trying to help "them", then **** them. Disabled people can be w*nkers too.

Well here's a disability rights perspective (Australian): http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/12/01/an-open-letter-to-abled-people-who-like-to-glare-at-people-who-use-disabled-parking-spaces/

It links to another article (American) that addresses the subject matter of this thread (and deals with the points of those abled who park in the disabled spaces)
http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/08/26/open-letter-disabled-parking/

malkmoose

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Of course its up to me to decide, a business has no authority over me other than to recommend behavior which is there for the benefit of the business and refuse me service if I am being a problem or call the actual authorities if I'm breaking the law. Its a business and it does what it does to cater for their customers and abide by regulations. They are legally required to have these spaces, to cater for customers with certain needs and do what they can to make sure those spaces are available when people need them.

I see no reason why not strictly adhering to rules of the car park is a problem if my actions are not affecting anyone and I'm not breaking the law as laid down by the actual authorities (as far as I'm aware its not illegal to park without a permit in a disabled spot in a private car park). The business wont be affected and the people who need the spaced wont be affected.

Its not for you to decide. What if someone came in to your home and decided what his definition of being considerate was. Playing music at 2am or whatever

remsburgsgirl

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Of course its up to me to decide, a business has no authority over me other than to recommend behavior which is there for the benefit of the business and refuse me service if I am being a problem or call the actual authorities if I'm breaking the law. Its a business and it does what it does to cater for their customers and abide by regulations. They are legally required to have these spaces, to cater for customers with certain needs and do what they can to make sure those spaces are available when people need them.

I see no reason why not strictly adhering to rules of the car park is a problem if my actions are not affecting anyone and I'm not breaking the law as laid down by the actual authorities (as far as I'm aware its not illegal to park without a permit in a disabled spot in a private car park). The business wont be affected and the people who need the spaced wont be affected.

Unbelievable


I think you are losing a battle here in trying to justify why you think it's okay to park in disabled spaces...it's sad really...next it'll be the mobility scooters in shopping centres you are 'entitled' to use...just admit you are lazy...please god almighty be honest with yourself for once!!! :pac:



(Loving how Fred Swanson is liking your posts! Think how great ye'd be together making life all bitter and self important for yourselves!)


And lastly to comment on the OP....disabled spaces >> for the disabled badge holders (I'm not a lazy person)
Parent & child spaces >>> for parents with babies/toddlers...purely for the reason of it being safer for the kids...surely who would argue with that??

DoozerT6

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I sincerely doubt anyone get their morals from a supermarket.

Give Tesco time...give them time....

Fred Swanson

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Ghost Buster

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Prob' because people dont buy groceries and try to load them and kids into a car what with council car parks being different to super market car parks and that ... d-ya think. ?

Why do you hate families and mothers and kids?
Would it help to talk?
Call your Ma.
Tell her you love her.

Fred Swanson

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Ghost Buster

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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At this stage i call Troll. Nice one. You are probably a nice person really and not the hate filled arse hole you are pretending to be.!!!:D

remsburgsgirl

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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A gimmick...whatever you want to call it...it was a very nice thing for them to think of putting them there...to think of others...considerate...common decency probably drove them to do it...I know you probably wouldn't understand these things though

malkmoose

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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corporate bodies are bad therefore everything they do is bad is not an arguement

dark crystal

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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What groups? Their customers?

Yeah, dumb move alright.

Ghost Buster

malkmoose wrote: »

corporate bodies are bad therefore everything they do is bad is not an arguement

SSSSSh. Fred has mother issues.Oedipus Syndrome perhaps.;)

Knight who says Meh

Since getting involved in this thread has anyone, like me, become mobilised and incentivised to give out more to folk parking in disabled spaces?
Or in the case of two posters here to park across two or more spaces and throw stones at the disabled beggers?

Had a row two days ago and a satisfying 'Oh I didn't see the bright blue square on the ground so I shall move!!:rolleyes:' today

Fred Swanson

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paddy147

Saw a security cash van parked accross 2 wheelchair/disabled spaces in Tesco Artane yesterday


An elderly man asked them why they had to park there...answer he got from the cash n transit fella was ....."sorry sir we dont have time to stand and talk to you".

ButtersSuki

paddy147 wrote: »

Saw a security cash van parked accross 2 wheelchair/disabled spaces in Tesco Artane yesterday


An elderly man asked them why they had to park there...answer he got from the cash n transit fella was ....."sorry sir we dont have time to stand and talk to you".

Could you take a picture and post it here if you see that again? Might shame security firm and tesco at least into taking some action.

paddy147

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Could you take a picture and post it here if you see that again? Might shame security firm and tesco at least into taking some action.

Me take pictures,and post them on boards......I dont ever do that..:pac::pac::pac::D

hamsterboy

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Never.

Now Parent & Child spaces, they're fair game!

^^ This!!!! Oh GOD THIS!!! ^^

Painted Pony

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I see no reason why not strictly adhering to rules of the car park is a problem if my actions are not affecting anyone and I'm not breaking the law as laid down by the actual authorities (as far as I'm aware its not illegal to park without a permit in a disabled spot in a private car park). The business wont be affected and the people who need the spaced wont be affected.

This of course hinges on the fact that the reason you have no material effect on anything is because most people don’t take the same attitude as you.

And here I see a bit of a problem. There are many behaviours that you could engage in which will not lead to any substantial problem, provided others don’t follow suit in any great number.

You could be as wasteful as you like with water. You could fly-tip / burn your household waste. You could drive in the empty turn right lane to make better progress going straight. You could refuse to pay your residence association charge. And many, many other things.

All in all, you could be a very naughty badger and in all cases argue that the impact of your actions has very little effect … provided there are no other naughty badgers!

Granted, some of the above are illegal but I think this is a side issue. Most of us who desist from such behaviour, don’t do so because of the legal consequences.

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Now Parent & Child spaces, they're fair game!

This I find curious. Surely they are more or less identical scenarios? Both types of spaces afford a degree of convenience to a particular users by virtue of the spaces been a little wider. But both can, and in the not so distant past, had to manage without so they are not essential. Same difference surely?

Ghost Buster

Painted Pony wrote: »

This of course hinges on the fact that the reason you have no material effect on anything is because most people don’t take the same attitude as you.

And here I see a bit of a problem. There are many behaviours that you could engage in which will not lead to any substantial problem, provided others don’t follow suit in any great number.

You could be as wasteful as you like with water. You could fly-tip / burn your household waste. You could drive in the empty turn right lane to make better progress going straight. You could refuse to pay your residence association charge. And many, many other things.

All in all, you could be a very naughty badger and in all cases argue that the impact of your actions has very little effect … provided there are no other naughty badgers!

Granted, some of the above are illegal but I think this is a side issue. Most of us who desist from such behaviour, don’t do so because of the legal consequences.

This I find curious. Surely they are more or less identical scenarios? Both types of spaces afford a degree of convenience to a particular users by virtue of the spaces been a little wider. But both can, and in the not so distant past, had to manage without so they are not essential. Same difference surely?

Fred and Jimo had poor upbringings. They dont say please or thank you, hold open a door for those following behind or let people out in traffic. Sure you dont have to do that. Being nice is for suckers.

Knine

No Parent & Child Spaces are nice to have. Make it easier for parents. Certainly not essential.

Disabled Spaces are essential for many disabled drivers & passengers. They can mean the difference between being able to park the car or having to go home.

I am both a parent and the holder of a permit for a disabled passenger. I easily managed kids, buggies etc without a parent & child space.

Painted Pony

Knine wrote: »

Disabled Spaces are essential for many disabled drivers & passengers. They can mean the difference between being able to park the car or having to go home.

I’m afraid I don’t see why disabled spaces are absolutely essential TBH (I’m thinking of people in wheel chairs in particular). If there are none available then they will likely have to find two regular adjacent empty spaces, probably some distance from the shop. Inconvenient, and possibly a little dangerous, but possible.

Of course it may be that the car park is full and this cannot be done. But in that case you’ll end up having to go home anyway!

In any case, on the overall optional – convenient scale, I don’t think these two types of reserved spaces are as far apart as people attitudes to them might suggest