Ghost Buster wrote: » You are simply reiterating the same 'odds' are they wont be needed and sure I'll only be a minute' bunkum over and over without engaging with the actual points of any poster which counters this.
malkmoose wrote: » But it's not for you to decide that. You should abide by the law/rule set out by the business. Its not 'suggested parking', the business has decided to set out disabled and parent child spaces. They sometimes don't allow people in their shops wearing pyjamas or tops off etc. just another rule. The decision you can make is not go there.
Artful_Badger wrote: » Of course its up to me to decide, a business has no authority over me other than to recommend behavior which is there for the benefit of the business and refuse me service if I am being a problem or call the actual authorities if I'm breaking the law. Its a business and it does what it does to cater for their customers and abide by regulations. They are legally required to have these spaces, to cater for customers with certain needs and do what they can to make sure those spaces are available when people need them. I see no reason why not strictly adhering to rules of the car park is a problem if my actions are not affecting anyone and I'm not breaking the law as laid down by the actual authorities (as far as I'm aware its not illegal to park without a permit in a disabled spot in a private car park). The business wont be affected and the people who need the spaced wont be affected.
bruschi wrote: » the fact you cant actually see why its wrong, and only speak of legal terms says it all. There is a thing called morals. its that nagging feeling other people get when they do something against their better judgement. There is also something called common courtesy too. Its being decent and as a phrase goes, not being a dick. Why do you think that it is ok for you to park in a disabled spot whenever the mood takes you? And why do you think that many more dont do it, and dont block up these spots which leaves you free to park in them? Does the extra few metres you save walking actually help you?
Artful_Badger wrote: » I'm not only speaking in legal terms, that would be clear to you if you read my other posts. I am only speaking in legal terms in relation to the "rules" of the supermarket. I sincerely doubt anyone get their morals from a supermarket. And I have addressed the other points several times and its going to be a pointless endeavor to go over them again. If you are actually interested in my view on those points read back through my posts I have covered them all.
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Senna wrote: » There are two customer disabled spaces right in-front of my work (with more at another entrance) and both could be used by genuine disabled people for most of the day. I used to try and make sure they were free for disabled drivers but now I don't bother, a couple of times I asked drivers if they realised that was a disabled spot (were there was no sticker on the window and they had no obvious disability) but they were actually disabled or were picking up a disabled person, the grief I got from them was ridiculous. If they cant realise that I was only trying to help "them", then **** them. Disabled people can be w*nkers too.
Artful_Badger wrote: » I sincerely doubt anyone get their morals from a supermarket.
malkmoose wrote: » corporate bodies are bad therefore everything they do is bad is not an arguement
paddy147 wrote: » Saw a security cash van parked accross 2 wheelchair/disabled spaces in Tesco Artane yesterday An elderly man asked them why they had to park there...answer he got from the cash n transit fella was ....."sorry sir we dont have time to stand and talk to you".
ButtersSuki wrote: » Could you take a picture and post it here if you see that again? Might shame security firm and tesco at least into taking some action.
Jimoslimos wrote: » Never. Now Parent & Child spaces, they're fair game!
Artful_Badger wrote: » I see no reason why not strictly adhering to rules of the car park is a problem if my actions are not affecting anyone and I'm not breaking the law as laid down by the actual authorities (as far as I'm aware its not illegal to park without a permit in a disabled spot in a private car park). The business wont be affected and the people who need the spaced wont be affected.
Jimoslimos wrote: » Now Parent & Child spaces, they're fair game!
Painted Pony wrote: » This of course hinges on the fact that the reason you have no material effect on anything is because most people don’t take the same attitude as you. And here I see a bit of a problem. There are many behaviours that you could engage in which will not lead to any substantial problem, provided others don’t follow suit in any great number. You could be as wasteful as you like with water. You could fly-tip / burn your household waste. You could drive in the empty turn right lane to make better progress going straight. You could refuse to pay your residence association charge. And many, many other things. All in all, you could be a very naughty badger and in all cases argue that the impact of your actions has very little effect … provided there are no other naughty badgers! Granted, some of the above are illegal but I think this is a side issue. Most of us who desist from such behaviour, don’t do so because of the legal consequences. This I find curious. Surely they are more or less identical scenarios? Both types of spaces afford a degree of convenience to a particular users by virtue of the spaces been a little wider. But both can, and in the not so distant past, had to manage without so they are not essential. Same difference surely?
Knine wrote: » Disabled Spaces are essential for many disabled drivers & passengers. They can mean the difference between being able to park the car or having to go home.
