Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Gerry Hatrick

Kingp35 wrote: »

As long as it's safe, clean and well maintained, cyclists will use it. Otherwise they will use the road.

What a silly comment. If a road is full of potholes should a car driver use the path?

Stay in the cycle lanes and stop putting yourself and others at danger.

Kingp35

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

What a silly comment. If a road is full of potholes should a car driver use the path?

This part is not worth a response.

Stay in the cycle lanes and stop putting yourself and others at danger.

That's the whole point. Often times cycling on the road IS SAFER than using the cycling lane. Until this is resolved you'll continue to see cyclists using the road instead of an unsafe cycle lane.

dubrov

You seem to think a cyclist using the road is comparable to a car driving on the path.

DelBoy Trotter

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

What a silly comment. If a road is full of potholes should a car driver use the path?

Stay in the cycle lanes and stop putting yourself and others at danger.

A cyclist has as much right to use the road as a car/van/truck. A car does not have the right to use the path.

If a road is a two lanes, and the left lane is full of potholes, glass/general crap that's pushed to the left of the road, pedestrians, kids, dog, lampoles, etc., you can be sure most people will drive in the right lane. The same applies to cyclists.

rubadub

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

If a road is full of potholes should a car driver use the path?.

That would be illegal. In most cases they will take a different route or drive very slowly causing traffic to build up in both cases, then authorities would hopefully see this and fix the issue. Just like the dun laoghaire cobblestone debacle.

AndrewJRenko

Cyrus wrote: »

If there are dedicated cycle paths should cyclists be confined to them rather than choosing to use them or the road ?

I know at present they aren’t but if we move to a phase of building more infrastructure something like that would make sense I think .

Same for motorways, right? Drivers should be fined if they drive on local roads whenever a motorway is available?

If we're building these motorways, that would make sense, I think.

RosieJoe

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Same for motorways, right? Drivers should be fined if they drive on local roads whenever a motorway is available?

If we're building these motorways, that would make sense, I think.

Same for threads/forums, right? Posters should be reprimanded if they use incorrect areas for discussing something that clearly belongs elsewhere

Cyrus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Same for motorways, right? Drivers should be fined if they drive on local roads whenever a motorway is available?

If we're building these motorways, that would make sense, I think.

I know you are trying to be smart but that really didn’t hit the mark at all.

Try again

ted1

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

What a silly comment. If a road is full of potholes should a car driver use the path?

Stay in the cycle lanes and stop putting yourself and others at danger.

Spoking like a person who has never cycled..,,

AndrewJRenko

Cyrus wrote: »

I know you are trying to be smart but that really didn’t hit the mark at all.

Try again

Why would the same principle not apply to motorways? Get rid of all the traffic on the old road at Shankill and push them onto the M11. What's not to like?

Cyrus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why would the same principle not apply to motorways? Get rid of all the traffic on the old road at Shankill and push them onto the M11. What's not to like?

Because it’s not the same principal

Johnspark

Coast road modification is a disaster.... I mean really ! Even if they have a big push for cyclists that’s ok but it’s one way out of DL , should be a one way into DL !! I think some retail / restaurants will suffer due to to this

Awaaf

Johnspark wrote: »

Coast road modification is a disaster.... I mean really ! Even if they have a big push for cyclists that’s ok but it’s one way out of DL , should be a one way into DL !! I think some retail / restaurants will suffer due to to this

It is a huge plus for pedestrians in my opinion. I guess ultimately when Covid is over there a decision will have to be made. Even though it inconveniences me somewhat when I am driving I would like that it is kept.

AndrewJRenko

Cyrus wrote: »

Because it’s not the same principal

It's exactly the same principle. The only difference is that the restriction is pointed at you, which wasn't what you had in mind.

ted1

Johnspark wrote: »

Coast road modification is a disaster.... I mean really ! Even if they have a big push for cyclists that’s ok but it’s one way out of DL , should be a one way into DL !! I think some retail / restaurants will suffer due to to this

I think it could be improved by reversing the flow on Georges street lower. That would mean you could get from Monkstown to Dun Laoighre without having to take diversions.

It’s far from a disaster

Awaaf

ted1 wrote: »

I think it could be improved by reversing the flow on Georges street lower. That would mean you could get from Monkstown to Dun Laoighre without having to take diversions.

It’s far from a disaster

This makes sense in my opinion.

JayRoc

ted1 wrote: »

I think it could be improved by reversing the flow on Georges street lower. That would mean you could get from Monkstown to Dun Laoighre without having to take diversions.

It’s far from a disaster

Good point, is the reason for the current direction that there are several northbound bus routes that go up that street?

Could those routes just as easily go up by the dart station and right onto Cumberland st ( essentially a reverse of what the southbound buses do) ?

Cyrus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's exactly the same principle. The only difference is that the restriction is pointed at you, which wasn't what you had in mind.

It’s not ,

The motorway isn’t running alongside the road

AndrewJRenko

Cyrus wrote: »

It’s not ,

The motorway isn’t running alongside the road

Are you sure about that? It looks like the Dublin Road in Shankill runs alongside the M11.

Cyrus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Are you sure about that? It looks like the Dublin Road in Shankill runs alongside the M11.

Must be my eyesight because there is a big gap between the two

AndrewJRenko

Cyrus wrote: »

Must be my eyesight because there is a big gap between the two

It's about 200m gap at Crinken Glen, not much in the context of motorway driving. Why shouldn't motorists be required to use their dedicated infrastructure in the same way that you want cyclists to be required to use their dedicated infrastructure?

And have you any particular plans for dealing the routine parking on cycle lanes by vans, trucks and cars?

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23freethecyclelanes&src=typed_query&f=image

josip

Wet and windy here in Dun Laoghaire today

fixXxer

josip wrote: »

Wet and windy here in Dun Laoghaire today

Any crashing waves? thought about going down with the camera.

Cyrus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's about 200m gap at Crinken Glen, not much in the context of motorway driving. Why shouldn't motorists be required to use their dedicated infrastructure in the same way that you want cyclists to be required to use their dedicated infrastructure?

And have you any particular plans for dealing the routine parking on cycle lanes by vans, trucks and cars?

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23freethecyclelanes&src=typed_query&f=image

Why you insist on talking about two separate roads is beyond me, I’m talking about a road where part of that road has been designated for cyclists, imo cyclists should use them.

As for vans trucks and cars breaking the law I presume the same vigour of law and order will be brought on them as cyclists breaking red lights etc

AndrewJRenko

Cyrus wrote: »

Why you insist on talking about two separate roads is beyond me, I’m talking about a road where part of that road has been designated for cyclists, imo cyclists should use them.

Because it's the same issue - use of dedicated infrastructure. The motorway is a FULL road designated for motorists, so motorists should use it and keep local roads free, right?

Would you expect cycle lanes like these to be mandatory for cyclists.
https://irishcycle.com/2015/11/05/images-25-reasons-why-cyclists-dont-use-cycle-lanes

Cyrus wrote: »

As for vans trucks and cars breaking the law I presume the same vigour of law and order will be brought on them as cyclists breaking red lights etc

If that's the same vigour of law and order brought on the 98% of motorists that break urban speed limits, I wouldn't have much confidence there.

ted1

josip wrote: »

Wet and windy here in Dun Laoghaire today

Yep. Average speed on the cycle path heading towards Monkstown was only about 17kmh, on the way back it was 30kmh

Tabnabs

Any chance the bickering over road and cycling infrastructure can either return to DL only or be taken elsewhere, it's boring at this stage.

rubadub

Tabnabs wrote: »

Any chance the bickering over road

it's not even bnickering, it's cringeworthy trolling at this stage, the feigned ignorance about it being "beyond me" is fooling nobody. Making yourself out to be stupid in an attempt to look smart -it doesn't work, quite the opposite effect.

Cyrus

rubadub wrote: »

it's not even bnickering, it's cringeworthy trolling at this stage, the feigned ignorance about it being "beyond me" is fooling nobody. Making yourself out to be stupid in an attempt to look smart -it doesn't work, quite the opposite effect.

Indeed well said

AndrewJRenko

Cyrus wrote: »

Indeed well said

From https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114420125&postcount=1045

Why you insist on talking about two separate roads is beyond me, I’m talking about a road where part of that road has been designated for cyclists, imo cyclists should use them.

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