Definitive list of Gun Clubs in IRE

EPointer=Birdss

All,

Seen some older threads but still not clear.

As of today is there a firm, definitive list of gun cub (not shooting clubs) in this country?

Also does it have to be NARGC registered to be a recognized club?

Cheers
EP

TriggerPL

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

All,

Seen some older threads but still not clear.

As of today is there a firm, definitive list of gun cub (not shooting clubs) in this country?

Also does it have to be NARGC registered to be a recognized club?

Cheers
EP

Does not have to be registered with NARGC to be recognised as a club !

EPointer=Birdss

TriggerPL wrote: »

Does not have to be registered with NARGC to be recognised as a club !

Which is partially why I am struggling to find a full listing I'm guessing.

What is advantage of registration over not?

Cass

Only educated guesses but:

• Strength in numbers. The more people the stronger the voice.
• Have their say/voice heard when it comes to legislative issues, hence their members have a say.
• Group coverage for insurance. Better returns.
• NARGC are an NGB meaning they have state recognition and easier access to funding from the ISC (Irish Sports Council).

TriggerPL

Cass wrote: »

Only educated guesses but:

• Strength in numbers. The more people the stronger the voice.
• Have their say/voice heard when it comes to legislative issues, hence their members have a say.
• Group coverage for insurance. Better returns.
• NARGC are an NGB meaning they have state recognition and easier access to funding from the ISC (Irish Sports Council).

In argument .

Using our club as an example .

IFA countryside alliance (fbd I think )
The insurance covers us out side of shooting , covered dogs and other sports u might be involved in .

Trailing , NARGC would not cover trails with there standard cover and we had to give 200 ( again in or abouts ) per trail for cover . That 1200 a year out of club funds .

NARGC does not cover a member over 60 to shoot at a trail we found out this year, as we had a member not insured with us and covered buy NARGC .

When choosing insurance we had a local judge , solicitor back then look over both covered and we were advised to take the cover from fbd .

There starting to get numbers more and more too .

Like I said this was what happened with our club , I would have no problem joining the NARGC , and have found them helpful on legal issues before .

TriggerPL

Am I right in saying that NARGC is not insurance but a compensation fund too .

Cass

TriggerPL wrote: »

In argument .

You win.

Seriously i don't know hence the "educated guess" part. I pay my club membership and have the cover with the NARGC and that's all i know.

TriggerPL wrote: »

Am I right in saying that NARGC is not insurance but a compensation fund too .

Yup.

cavan shooter

I would say there is a list of Clubs available from the various bodies to which they are affiliated to. Contact NARGC and ask for a list for your area, contact the CAI and IFA for similar information. That should give you a definitive list of Clubs. When two people get together anf form a Club with constitution and rules I'd say its a recognised Club.

Now what do you want the list of Clubs for?, because I bet that will be your first question you will be asked to answer. Hope it helps

Lastin

I would think a list of nargc clubs would not be made available for security reasons (gun theft etc) I would imagine that you will be asked to leave your details to be passed on to the nearest club or county body.

Cass

Lastin wrote: »

........ for security reasons (gun theft etc)

Not seeing this. Could you explain?

ace86

try this there is contact details they point ya in the right direction:
http://www.nargc.ie/links/club-links.aspx

Lastin

If the NARGC gives out a list of gun clubs they will mostly be addresses of either secretaries or chairmen, a handy list for those who want to steal guns.
Everyone who handles members lists must keep this in mind.

TriggerPL

Lastin wrote: »

If the NARGC gives out a list of gun clubs they will mostly be addresses of either secretaries or chairmen, a handy list for those who want to steal guns.
Everyone who handles members lists must keep this in mind.

Are you having a giraffe ! Lad if they want to know they will ! And don't need a list to tell them .

What to stop me going into a pub for dinner or a barbershop and chat away say I'm moving into town and want to join the gun club , would ya know who to contact . With in 5 mins they be telling ya where there house Is .

Lastin

TriggerPL wrote: »

Are you having a giraffe ! Lad if they want to know they will ! And don't need a list to tell them .

I agree but there is no point in making it any easier for them.

What to stop me going into a pub for dinner or a barbershop and chat away say I'm moving into town and want to join the gun club , would ya know who to contact . With in 5 mins they be telling ya where there house Is .

maybe but there is nothing to be gained by advertising it.

TriggerPL

Lastin wrote: »

maybe but there is nothing to be gained by advertising it.

That's where your wrong. Gun clubs are in decline because of that reason .
People not realising that there one in there area . Because of no advertising .


Or older member not wanting new member in case they shake the tree .

And a club has to advertise its AGM so it going to be advertised anyway .

Cass

Lastin wrote: »

maybe but there is nothing to be gained by advertising it.

But they are on;

• Facebook
• Twitter
• Association websites
• Boards
• Magazines
• Club Websites
• etc

So it's not hard to find someone if you want to by cross referencing the various social media they use. Plus, as said, they advertise themselves anyway.

EPointer=Birdss

TriggerPL wrote: »

That's where your wrong. Gun clubs are in decline because of that reason .
People not realising that there one in there area . Because of no advertising .


Or older member not wanting new member in case they shake the tree .

And a club has to advertise its AGM so it going to be advertised anyway .

Just on that last point. Is that club practice or legislated requirements of a club?

Is there formal legislation around gun clubs or as said earlier can it be a group of lads & permissions titled as a club? Like what is recognized as a "proper" club.
If no legal requirements any group, syndicate etc could be a club no?

Sparks

EPointer=Birdss wrote: »

Is there formal legislation around gun clubs or as said earlier can it be a group of lads & permissions titled as a club? Like what is recognized as a "proper" club.
If no legal requirements any group, syndicate etc could be a club no?

Short answer, no.

Longer answer, there are special legal requirements for target shooting rifle/pistol clubs, but not for shotgun target shooting clubs or hunting gun clubs. There are the usual kind of thing you get with organised clubs - AGMs, committees and all that - but nothing in the legislation that I've ever seen.

mikeyboo

TriggerPL wrote: »

That's where your wrong. Gun clubs are in decline because of that reason .
People not realising that there one in there area . Because of no advertising .


Or older member not wanting new member in case they shake the tree .

And a club has to advertise its AGM so it going to be advertised anyway .

this is so so true,the older lads in our club dont want to do a single thing,this year we had or 1st AGM in 6yrs :eek:,and we dont get many lads to turn up so we couldnt get them out,but theres only 3 young lads that are turning to inprove it.

cavan shooter

Just picked up on this and I do not want to raise a dead post but can shed some light her for lads based on some experience:

To form any Club a group of people need to get together and decide to form a Club. A Club exists once there is a constitution with aims and objectives etc and a set of Rules for the Club Membership to abide to. This is normally an unincorporated association.

Next you need to decide on Officers for that Club, Officers run the club on behalf of the members but take direction from the members at meetings AGM's etc. Your constitution for example can state the degree of autonomy the Officers and Committee have prior to reverting to a meeting:

To get recognition of your Club you should try and see if there is a formal body or Organisation to affiliate to or recognise you. There are other ways to get recognition:

Register with a Local sports Council or partnership.

On the subject of stagnant clubs, change the top table or set up a rival club, clubs are ran by their members notby 3 people.