The E.U. Is really starting to ****ing annoy me

meoklmrk91

I would have been a proponent of the E.U. I think it has done a lot of good for Ireland but recently they are really starting to piss me off with their nanny state ways. Here is just a couple of things the E.U. Is currently trying to ruin.

Regulating/banning e-cigs which are considered to be harmless
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10178573/EU-vote-on-electronic-cigarettes-makes-no-sense.html

Speed limiters in all our cars.
http://news.sky.com/story/1135815/eu-may-order-speed-limiters-fitted-to-uk-cars

Would they ever **** off and leave us do what we want, an adult should be allowed to smoke an e-cig, a normal cig or a menthol cig, which the E.U. banned, they shoukd be allowed to drive whatever speed they want, an adult should be allowed to do what they want so long as it does not cause harm to anyone else.

Fr_Dougal

The EU should go back to their own country.

Saab Ed

What! Only now!

wazky

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The EU should go back to their own country.

Well said Father!

Driveby Dogboy

wazky wrote: »

Well said Father!

its not the greeks, its the chinese he's after!

Sir Humphrey Appleby

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

I would have been a proponent of the E.U. I think it has done a lot of good for Ireland but recently they are really starting to piss me off with their nanny state ways. Here is just a couple of things the E.U. Is currently trying to ruin.

Regulating/banning e-cigs which are considered to be harmless
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10178573/EU-vote-on-electronic-cigarettes-makes-no-sense.html

Speed limiters in all our cars.
http://news.sky.com/story/1135815/eu-may-order-speed-limiters-fitted-to-uk-cars

, an adult should be allowed to do what they want so long as it does not cause harm to themselves.

And **** everyone else, huh!
So by your reasoning an adult should be allow rape a child so long as they don't harm themselves doing it!

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

And **** everyone else, huh!
So by your reasoning an adult should be allow rape a child so long as they don't harm themselves doing it!

Jesus that's a bit extreme
I'm sure 'don't harm anyone else' is a given

Esoteric_

An adult should be allowed drive as fast as they like? Er, don't think so. What about pedestrians, or other drivers?

As for e-cigs - I sell them for a living (amazing job, huh? :rolleyes: ) and they are NOT all harmless. Jesus, some were taken off the market recently enough because they contained formaldehyde. The ones I'm selling are harmless, and contain an ingredient list, as do many others, but realistically, my manufacturer could be putting rat's píss in them and I wouldn't actually know. Some people like to know what they're putting into their bodies. That said, they can't be any more harmful than real cigarettes.

hatrickpatrick

Agree with the OP. The EU is almost immune to democratic pressure due to the sheer size of the constituencies involved, which is why I've always thought it should have as little power over social politics as possible (regarding civil liberties, banning things, etc)

meoklmrk91

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

And **** everyone else, huh!
So by your reasoning an adult should be allow rape a child so long as they don't harm themselves doing it!

Dude that was actually meant to say that they don't cause harm to anyone else, editing original post now.

Days 298

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

And **** everyone else, huh!
So by your reasoning an adult should be allow rape a child so long as they don't harm themselves doing it!

Are you f*cking serious. Your sick escalation make me question your reasoning.

Elbaston

70mph seems fast enough - Ive been wondering how long til something like this would come along, ....saw it years in advance wise old owl that I am.

If theres a speed limit in a country - and that limit is agreed not to be passed by a motorist in that country - then why should they need cars that pass the legal limit.


(legal track racing and other niches aside)

Ive hit 80+ once or twice, on motorways, I shouldn't have and dont intend to again.

No need ta be baytin along at 80.

Fratton Fred

Esoteric_ wrote: »

An adult should be allowed drive as fast as they like? Er, don't think so. What about pedestrians, or other drivers?

As for e-cigs - I sell them for a living (amazing job, huh? :rolleyes: ) and they are NOT all harmless. Jesus, some were taken off the market recently enough because they contained formaldehyde. The ones I'm selling are harmless, and contain an ingredient list, as do many others, but realistically, my manufacturer could be putting rat's píss in them and I wouldn't actually know. Some people like to know what they're putting into their bodies. That said, they can't be any more harmful than real cigarettes.

I totally agree with regulating e-cigs, as I think most vapers do, but banning them is just caving in to pressure from the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries who have the money to lobby Brussels.

wexie

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Speed limiters in all our cars.
http://news.sky.com/story/1135815/eu-may-order-speed-limiters-fitted-to-uk-cars

That's a ****ing dumb idea, there are many many roads in this country, as well as the UK where you can still quite handily go SPLAT quite spectacularly doing 70MPH.

Good thing it's not going to happen in our lifetime.

As soon as someone asks : "and err...who's going to be paying for all this technology and having it fitted...." All the dumb bureaucrats will go quiet for a minute, scratch there heads and go " well....err.....we hadn't gotten that far yet" and the whole idea will come to a standstill.

These people don't actually live in the real world, haven't even a remote concept of what the real world might look like for real people and couldn't possibly begin the come up with real world solutions for real world problems.

The sooner they're all hung from their scrotums from the trees on the Champs Elysee (or wherever else is convenient) the better.

Make a nice tourist attraction....

/rant

Sir Humphrey Appleby

bluewolf wrote: »

Jesus that's a bit extreme
I'm sure 'don't harm anyone else' is a given

Well the OP was very specific before the near ninja edit, I was merely showing how extreme that point could take to.

Esoteric_

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I totally agree with regulating e-cigs, as I think most vapers do, but banning them is just caving in to pressure from the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries who have the money to lobby Brussels.

If they're regulated and put into pharmacies, like people seem to be screaming out for, I'll be out of a job, but I definitely agree with regulation. Banning them is just fcuking ridiculous. They're a hundred times better for you than a cigarette. Plus, my strawberry juice tastes lovely, I'd be devastated if they banned it. :pac:

Karl Stein

Banning e-cigs would be monumentally stupid and hand their sale and supply to criminals.

wexie

Elbaston wrote: »

70mph seems fast enough - Ive been wondering how long til something like this would come along, ....saw it years in advance wise old owl that I am.

If theres a speed limit in a country - and that limit is agreed not to be passed by a motorist in that country - then why should they need cars that pass the legal limit.


(legal track racing and other niches aside)

Ive hit 80+ once or twice, on motorways, I shouldn't have and dont intend to again.

No need ta be baytin along at 80.

While that's not in itself a bad argument....would you want technology in your car that can limit it's speed against your wishes? Especially technology dreamt up by some ****wit in Brussels?

Cause I sure as hell don't

meoklmrk91

Elbaston wrote: »

70mph seems fast enough - Ive been wondering how long til something like this would come along, ....saw it years in advance wise old owl that I am.

If theres a speed limit in a country - and that limit is agreed not to be passed by a motorist in that country - then why should they need cars that pass the legal limit.

[size1](legal track racing and other niches aside)[/size1]

Ive hit 80+ once or twice, on motorways, I shouldn't have and dont intend to again.

No need ta be baytin along at 80.

I think all drivers at some stage have been in a situation where putting the foot down saved their lives or atleast saved them from crashing, I know I have. BTW I drive a 1ltr polo so it's not like I would be hitting 70mph nevermind anything above it very often.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I totally agree with regulating e-cigs, as I think most vapers do, but banning them is just caving in to pressure from the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries who have the money to lobby Brussels.

Completely agree with this.

losthorizon

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

I would have been a proponent of the E.U. I think it has done a lot of good for Ireland but recently they are really starting to piss me off with their nanny state ways. Here is just a couple of things the E.U. Is currently trying to ruin.

Regulating/banning e-cigs which are considered to be harmless
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10178573/EU-vote-on-electronic-cigarettes-makes-no-sense.html

Speed limiters in all our cars.
http://news.sky.com/story/1135815/eu-may-order-speed-limiters-fitted-to-uk-cars

Would they ever **** off and leave us do what we want, an adult should be allowed to smoke an e-cig, a normal cig or a menthol cig, which the E.U. banned, they shoukd be allowed to drive whatever speed they want, an adult should be allowed to do what they want so long as it does not cause harm to anyone else.

Never believe an english link to a story about the EU or Europe in general. Mostly its pure bull. I was in Gibraltar during the so called trouble recently and would you know it, I had no trouble crossing the border. No hold ups - nothing. In fact the only people who asked me for a passport were the Gib side not the Spanish side.

meoklmrk91

Esoteric_ wrote: »

If they're regulated and put into pharmacies, like people seem to be screaming out for, I'll be out of a job, but I definitely agree with regulation. Banning them is just fcuking ridiculous. They're a hundred times better for you than a cigarette. Plus, my strawberry juice tastes lovely, I'd be devastated if they banned it. :pac:

I personally think they should be regulated as in there is a set of ingredients on the bottle, the juices are made with the same standards that food is prepped with. Labs have to be inspected for cleanliness, safety.

I do not want be buying my juices from a pharmacist who knows nothing about e-juice. I want to buy from a decent vendor that knows their stuff and I want to be able to buy whatever flavour juice I want.

Son Of A Vidic

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Speed limiters in all our cars.
http://news.sky.com/story/1135815/eu-may-order-speed-limiters-fitted-to-uk-cars

And what about kunts who do 55Kph in a 100Kph zone? Or the mentally ill guy who suddenly speeds up to try and kill you, just because you're in the process of overtaking him?

hatrickpatrick

Banning e-cigs has about as much to do with protecting people's health as minumum alcohol pricing would have here in Ireland. Hint: The only health they're interested in protecting is the bank balance of one vested interest or another.

P_1

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

I personally think they should be regulated as in there is a set of ingredients on the bottle, the juices are made with the same standards that food is prepped with. Labs have to be inspected for cleanliness, safety.

I do not want be buying my juices from a pharmacist who knows nothing about e-juice. I want to buy from a decent vendor that knows their stuff and I want to be able to buy whatever flavour juice I want.

Also I don't really want to be having to spend silly money on flavourless juices which probably would happen once any regulation kicks in.

Hello. How are you?

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Speed limiters in all our cars.
http://news.sky.com/story/1135815/eu-may-order-speed-limiters-fitted-to-uk-cars

I can see that going DRASTICALLY wrong if they brought it into Ireland :rolleyes:
Imagine the speed was regulated by satellite, imagine, with the dipsticks (ie, the RSA), the satellite would pick the car up wrong, or they would forget to update the dossier when they build new roads or other such tomfoolery and people would either end up being able to do 120 in a housing estate or limited to 30 kph on a motorway :rolleyes: . Just wait and see.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh good 'aul Ireland.

shopaholic01

Hello. How are you? wrote: »

I can see that going DRASTICALLY wrong if they brought it into Ireland :rolleyes:
Imagine the speed was regulated by satellite, imagine, with the dipsticks (ie, the RSA), the satellite would pick the car up wrong, or they would forget to update the dossier when they build new roads or other such tomfoolery and people would either end up being able to do 120 in a housing estate or limited to 30 kph on a motorway :rolleyes: . Just wait and see.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh good 'aul Ireland.

Eh no, speed would be limited to a max 120kph.

Hello. How are you?

shopaholic01 wrote: »

Eh no, speed would be limited to a max 70kph.

70 kph or 70 mph (the latter being from a British publication). If so, what does that do to the German Autobahn stretches which are speed limitless?

shopaholic01

Hello. How are you? wrote: »

70 kph or 70 mph (the latter being from a British publication). If so, what does that do to the German Autobahn stretches which are speed limitless?

Edited my post to 120kph. It doesn't limit your speed depending on your location, it just limits the max speed a car can reach. It's proposed for the UK, not Germany.

I don't agree with it, btw.

woodoo

I wonder if the automatic slowing of cars in response to speed limits would be dangerous.

Hello. How are you?

shopaholic01 wrote: »

Edited my post to 120kph. It doesn't limit your speed depending on your location, it just limits the max speed a car can reach. It's proposed for the UK, not Germany.

I don't agree with it, btw.

Neither do I. I have often hit 180 - 200 kph on the M6, on which I regularly drive and I have never had a crash or even a near-miss.

Sigourney

Esoteric_ wrote: »

An adult should be allowed drive as fast as they like? Er, don't think so. What about pedestrians, or other drivers?

As for e-cigs - I sell them for a living (amazing job, huh? :rolleyes: ) and they are NOT all harmless. Jesus, some were taken off the market recently enough because they contained formaldehyde. The ones I'm selling are harmless, and contain an ingredient list, as do many others, but realistically, my manufacturer could be putting rat's píss in them and I wouldn't actually know. Some people like to know what they're putting into their bodies. That said, they can't be any more harmful than real cigarettes.

I'd rather inhale used smoke than the vapour from those e-cigarettes. I find it sickening.

Dyr

They're going to stop drivers from breaking the law?

How dare they!!

oppenheimer1

wexie wrote: »

While that's not in itself a bad argument....would you want technology in your car that can limit it's speed against your wishes? Especially technology dreamt up by some ****wit in Brussels?

Cause I sure as hell don't

I think everyone is missing a very important point. The idea of speed limiters is merely a PROPOSAL. Like many proposals they won't see the light of day.

The idea of limiting speed to the maximum limit is dangerous as there are situations where breaking the limit might be the best way to avoid an accident. For this reason I doubt it will get beyond proposal stage, like many other ideas.

Gummy Panda

Wtf is e-juice?

OneArt

Sigourney wrote: »

I'd rather inhale used smoke than the vapour from those e-cigarettes. I find it sickening.

Because tobacco has such a lovely smell.

E-cig smoke usually smells sweet and lingers for a minute or two, then it disperses. Tobacco smoke hangs around and the smell gets into clothes, furniture etc. I've smoked one for a solid four months and I don't stink the way I used to when I smoked normal cigarettes.

I agree that e-cigs should be regulated though, but turning them into medical products is ridiculous. (Also 4mg nicotine? Who gets a hit out of that?) No, they're not good for you but then again neither is a cup of coffee or alcohol. Their risk to people around them is pretty low as well. There are FAR worse things than even tobacco smoke being pumped into the air.

P_1

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Banning e-cigs has about as much to do with protecting people's health as minumum alcohol pricing would have here in Ireland. Hint: The only health they're interested in protecting is the bank balance of one vested interest or another.

Exactly, remember that every tenner that somebody spends on juice equals about a hundred they're not spending on smokes.

JustAddWater

Hello. How are you? wrote: »

Neither do I. I have often hit 180 - 200 kph on the M6, on which I regularly drive and I have never had a crash or even a near-miss.

You can bet that's what they all say... Until it happens to them

Aidric

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Wtf is e-juice?

Street name for crushed up yokes.

Esoteric_

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Wtf is e-juice?

Liquid nicotine, usually flavoured to taste like tobacco, or cake, or sweets, or fruit, or whatever really. It's used in electronic cigarettes.

dmc17

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The EU should go back to their own country.

EU should go back to Craggy Island

Fratton Fred

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Wtf is e-juice?

You might like this one http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/gummybear.htm

conorhal

Well, just this week we signed a thousand pages of EU directives into law without so much as a single debate on the legislation.

Oh, and just so you know, if you've put any food in your black bin this week, you are in contravention of a new EU directive on food waste (part of those 1000 pages) and potentally subject to a 30 thousand euro fine or 3 months in jail.......


Funk the EU.

wexie

conorhal wrote: »

Well, just this week we signed a thousand pages of EU directives into law without so much as a single debate on the legislation.

Oh, and just so you know, if you've put any food in your black bin this week, you are in contravention of a new EU directive on food waste (part of those 1000 pages) and potentally subject to a 30 thousand euro fine or 3 months in jail.......


Funk the EU.

What else am I supposed to do with it? Refuse company took away our compost bin and says 'they can now separate it'?

conorhal

wexie wrote: »

What else am I supposed to do with it? Refuse company took away our compost bin and says 'they can now separate it'?

You clear you plate and eat your veg or your going to jail young man!

Flibbles

OneArt wrote: »

neither is a cup of coffee or alcohol.

Not to nitpick, but coffee is pretty unbelivably good for you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/coffee-health-benefits

caff

conorhal wrote: »

Well, just this week we signed a thousand pages of EU directives into law without so much as a single debate on the legislation.

Oh, and just so you know, if you've put any food in your black bin this week, you are in contravention of a new EU directive on food waste (part of those 1000 pages) and potentally subject to a 30 thousand euro fine or 3 months in jail.......


Funk the EU.

yup no debate at all, I mean what is a consulation period... and what are all those MEP elections for? What does the Commissioner appointed by our elected government do? Oh yes its all very undemocratic....
http://www.environ.ie/en/Environment/Waste/FoodWasteRegulations/

Mike 1972

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Agree with the OP. The EU is almost immune to democratic pressure due to the sheer size of the constituencies involved, which is why I've always thought it should have as little power over social politics as possible (regarding civil liberties, banning things, etc)

The EU's record in potecting civil liberties trumps that of the national governments of most of its states by a long shot.

Roger_007

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

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Would they ever **** off and leave us do what we want, an adult should be allowed to smoke an e-cig, a normal cig or a menthol cig, which the E.U. banned, they shoukd be allowed to drive whatever speed they want, an adult should be allowed to do what they want so long as it does not cause harm to anyone else.

I just love the way Irish people resort to blaming someone else whenever they have a gripe about anything. This is nothing new.

Once upon a time we had an Island of Saints and Scholars.
Then the nasty Vikings came along and fu*ked us up with their rape and pillage.
Then the Normans came and stole all our land.
The Normans morphed into the English who bled us dry' for 800 years.
Then the EU came along and took over the country by bribing us with loads of money but they wanted us to abide by silly rules and regs.
Then the bankers came along and codded us by bribing us with even more money. (Well we thought it was free money but apparently they now want it back).
Then the IMF came along and gave us loads of money to pay our debts but apparently they want us to behave responsibly by not spending money we don't have, (the cheek of them).
Then the Germans came along and took over the EU by giving everyone money but they seem to want to have some say in what is done with the money, (the cheek of them too).

Why don't we just vote ourselves out of the EU, tell the IMF to take a hike and tell the Germans to fu*k off back to Deutschland.
We would free to make our own laws. We could realise DeValera's dream of an island of comely laughing maidens and strong sporting youths etc. etc.. In short, we could go back to being an Island of Saints and Scholars again free from all these nasty 'foreign' people telling us what to do.......

Oh sh1t.....was that my alarm clock.......better wake up and go to work.......feckin dreaming again.

conorhal

Roger, that's no worse then the self flagilating goons that throw up their hands and bemoan ever having left 'the union'.
The EU has no business rooting through my bins. That's a rediculous level of interference. I was more then happy to be part of the EEC when the European project was about economic coperation. This 'rubbish' however has gone too far.

Wibbs

Roger_007 wrote: »

Once upon a time we had an Island of Saints and Scholars.

Indeed and the joke is when we were we weren't inward looking. The very opposite in fact, we looked out, looked to the world, sought to find our place in that world while keeping the threads that made us who we were alive. We studied and copied any of the classical texts we could lay our hands on, while also writing down the Tain. We went out to Europe and Europe came to us. We were more "European" than we've ever been before and I'd argue since and we were the better for it and Europe itself might well have been a different landscape if we hadn't been.

As for the rest? Limiting cars to 120 is largely pointless, though the holier than thou handwringers would love it. Well they would as being seen to do the right thing is what gives them the horn, actually doing the right thing eludes as it requires the application of logic. For a start the roads have never been safer, yet cars today are on average far more powerful than even two decades ago and where do most fatal accidents happen? Back roads. Hitting a tree at 120 will kill you just as efficiently as hitting it at 140. Plus human nature comes into play. People will be more likely to aim for the limit regardless. E-cigs? Vested interests ahoy. If all smokers went to vaping the tax take would plummet. The tobacco companies would face huge losses and the pharmacies, more the "official" nicotine delivery "smoking cessation"* companies would take a hit too. That's a lot of guns pointing at vaping and regulation is how they'll pull the trigger.




*which are proven to not work for that and are nearly as expensive as smoking.

Shenshen

Wibbs wrote: »

As for the rest? Limiting cars to 120 is largely pointless, though the holier than thou handwringers would love it. Well they would as being seen to do the right thing is what gives them the horn, actually doing the right thing eludes as it requires the application of logic. For a start the roads have never been safer, yet cars today are on average far more powerful than even two decades ago and where do most fatal accidents happen? Back roads. Hitting a tree at 120 will kill you just as efficiently as hitting it at 140. Plus human nature comes into play. People will be more likely to aim for the limit regardless. E-cigs? Vested interests ahoy. If all smokers went to vaping the tax take would plummet. The tobacco companies would face huge losses and the pharmacies, more the "official" nicotine delivery "smoking cessation"* companies would take a hit too. That's a lot of guns pointing at vaping and regulation is how they'll pull the trigger.




*which are proven to not work for that and are nearly as expensive as smoking.

Well, reading the article, the suggestion is not to limit the cars to 120kph flat, but to whatever the speed limit would happen to be in the road they're driving on.
So that should indeed cut down a little on people wrapping themselves round trees at 120 kph.
To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind that particular regulation - you can still go to a race track with your souped up Subaru Impregnant or whatever and get your speed kick, you just won't be able to hold your races on public roads any more. Sounds like a win-win to me.