Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

Blut2

BeerNut wrote: »

Stated hours in the planning material, but those are weeknight; you're right that 12.30 will be closing time on Friday and Saturday. I still can't imagine city centre revellers wanting to make an evening of it in Wetherspoon, any more than they do in the similarly brightly-lit Devitt's down the street.

That is exactly what happened in the Blackrock Wetherspoons when there was a late night option across the road, though. Every Friday night the pub would be packed, with about 33%-50% of the crowd being large groups of under 25s predrinking there before heading to Flash Harrys across the road later on. Does Devitts sell 200ml of vodka for 10eur? or 2eur pints? Because those are the key draws for young people, not the level of brightness.

Wetherspoons doesn't need to be at all lively to get a big crowd of young people who'll predrink there before heading to a club. It mightn't be as cheap as a bag of cans, but its far easier to host a large group there than in their parents house. And its way cheaper than any other pubs. So people will just go there to load up on booze before heading to a more lively place later on.

I'd be willing to bet money the Camden St location will be absolutely full of young people at weekends having predrinks there before heading to Coppers or D2 or similar, bouncers permitting.

errlloyd

I worked for a large accounting firm in that area (there are a few). Most of the graduates who start there, start on around 24k, I think it comes to 1650 a month after tax. That's not a lot for people paying Dublin rent working all the hours under the sun. They're on that or not much more for 3.5 years.

They're a serious cohort who will drink in Spoons. Not quite "working poor" but young people, who want a good night out, work on Camden Street, but live far away. I'd say the pub will do very very well.

Muahahaha

I would say the hotel end on Camden St will do very well too, not just with tourists but also people coming to Dublin for GAA weekends. It will be interestiing to see how they price the rooms.

Hotblack Desiato

Would the GAA types drink in an "English" pub though?

TireeTerror

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Would the GAA types drink in an "English" pub though?

Boring post.

D Trent

TireeTerror wrote: »

Boring post.

Boring to you
But a valid post all the same
The Wetherspoons in Derry, a predominantly catholic and GAA fanatic city, is no more.

radharc

D Trent wrote: »

Boring to you
But a valid post all the same
The Wetherspoons in Derry, a predominantly catholic and GAA fanatic city, is no more.

Derry a GAA fanatic city?? They don’t even have a senior GAA club, it is a soccer obsessed city.

irish_goat

radharc wrote: »

D Trent wrote: »

Boring to you
But a valid post all the same
The Wetherspoons in Derry, a predominantly catholic and GAA fanatic city, is no more.

Derry a GAA fanatic city?? They don’t even have a senior GAA club, it is a soccer obsessed city.

True that. We did drink in Wetherspoons too but the offer on the buildings plus Wetherspoons strategic plan for the north seem to have prompted the sale more than anything.

donaghs

errlloyd wrote: »

I worked for a large accounting firm in that area (there are a few). Most of the graduates who start there, start on around 24k, I think it comes to 1650 a month after tax. That's not a lot for people paying Dublin rent working all the hours under the sun. They're on that or not much more for 3.5 years.

They're a serious cohort who will drink in Spoons. Not quite "working poor" but young people, who want a good night out, work on Camden Street, but live far away. I'd say the pub will do very very well.

I'd agree. There's all sort of demographics crying out for a Weatherspoons in a southside city location. Some people just want cheap booze, but plenty of people I know also can't wait to get a decent pint of IPA (devils backbone or shipyard?) for around €4. Compared to some local pubs charging €6 for a "craft" pint. I see some Irish Weatherspoons are also doing 2 for €5 on Punk IPA 33cl bottles. So bring it on.

Chelon

donaghs wrote: »

I'd agree. There's all sort of demographics crying out for a Weatherspoons in a southside city location. Some people just want cheap booze, but plenty of people I know also can't wait to get a decent pint of IPA (devils backbone or shipyard?) for around €4. Compared to some local pubs charging €6 for a "craft" pint. I see some Irish Weatherspoons are also doing 2 for €5 on Punk IPA 33cl bottles. So bring it on.

Totally. Especially when the cask ale scene seems to be dying on its' feet in Dublin. I was in L. Mulligan last month (my go to place as they always seem to have it on). None on offer and I was told they don't even stock it in January as sales are so poor. At least they're not serving vinegar like several other places I've tried in Dublin. You don't tend to get these problems in a JDW and all at an exceptional price

Idbatterim

Ive stoped going out anywhere near as frequently as I used too, Im not being robbed E6 a pint in Dublin anymore! Its one thing much later on into the night, but I reckon wetherspoons will be manic until close!

donaghs

Great Wood in Blanchardstown selling pints of punk ipa for around €4.75 and Shipyard for around €3.75? This weekend. Please make these deals available in the city centre

Subcomandante Marcos

donaghs wrote: »

Great Wood in Blanchardstown selling pints of punk ipa for around €4.75 and Shipyard for around €3.75? This weekend. Please make these deals available in the city centre

All spoons in Ireland have these deals permanently.

MonkstownHoop

donaghs wrote: »

Great Wood in Blanchardstown selling pints of punk ipa for around €4.75 and Shipyard for around €3.75? This weekend. Please make these deals available in the city centre

Punk is 3.75 in Dun Laoghaire

rubadub

donaghs wrote: »

Great Wood in Blanchardstown selling pints of punk ipa for around €4.75 and Shipyard for around €3.75? This weekend. Please make these deals available in the city centre

Prices can vary, they are not very open about their prices. I would expect city centre to be more than backrock or dun laoghaire.

This was dun laoghaire on patricks day. Great Wood is usually more expensive so might not have had these prices.

Geuze

I expect JDW prices to be below Dublin bar prices.

Beamish at 295 is below Dublin prices, ok.

But Jameson at 495 seems dear.

I paid 4.00 for it on Meath street last week.

It is 4.00-4.20 in provincial Ireland.

Odd pricing by them............

rubadub

Geuze wrote: »

But Jameson at 495 seems dear.

I think you can make it a double for a very good price, and you might either get a free pepsi or very low price pepsi with it (and some other mixers). Coke is there but costs more, but still a lot cheaper than most pubs.

Blut2

Yeah, that price includes a mixer. Its usually about 7eur for a double spirit in Blackrock (again including mixer) which is very good value. A double Jameson & Pepsi would be almost twice that (13-14eur) in town.

Geuze

Ok, so it seems they have a higher than expected margin on a single, but a lower margin on a double.

Ok, I suppose this causes the average spend to rise, as people choose double gins and double vodkas, ok.

But if somebody wants to sample a range of better whiskies, e.g. Redbreast, they hardly want doubles?

SteM

Geuze wrote: »

But if somebody wants to sample a range of better whiskies, e.g. Redbreast, they hardly want doubles?

But they're going to Wetherspoons to get drunk as cheaply as possible, not sample a range of whiskies.

Geuze

A fair point.

In contrast, I see their prices as a chance to buy Redbreast and Jameson 18.

rubadub

Geuze wrote: »

But if somebody wants to sample a range of better whiskies, e.g. Redbreast, they hardly want doubles?

I reckon they want to simply encourage larger amounts to be ordered, similar to how so many pubs charge a ridiculous premium on half pints. They see full pints as the norm and spoons see doubles as the norm. A double has about the same units of alcohol as a pint.

if someone wants a single redbreast 12 year old I can see on a menu I have that it is 7.75, a double is 9.75. The price increase is 2 euro no matter how expensive the spirit, so it probably encourages people to go for doubles even more on expensive ones.

A redbreast is 8.50 in bull & castle

http://www.fxbuckley.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/BC-Drinks-Menu.pdf

A double grey goose & mixer is 7.95 in spoons, in bull & castle it is €19.70.

I see the coke in spoons is 1.95, but to upgrade to a fentimans mixer instead of the free ones is just 30cent.

odyssey06

In England the standard spirits measure is smaller than here? So I think "making it a double" is more common there as a double would be only 50 mls. A double here would be 2x35 = 70.

Two English doubles would be approximately three Irish singles.

So my guess, could be wrong, is that Spoons are carrying over this from the UK tradition.
Of course, it also makes "processing" sense as same amount of labour involved in pouring a double as a single.

rubadub

odyssey06 wrote: »

Of course, it also makes "processing" sense as same amount of labour involved in pouring a double as a single.

Yes, this is what i was getting at about encouraging more to be ordered. Also glass collection and cleaning is the same, less tables littered with loads of glasses.

I imagine you only get the same amount of "free" or rather "included in the price" mixer with the double as a single.

Very good point about the UK where doubles seem the norm.

Blut2

SteM wrote: »

But they're going to Wetherspoons to get drunk as cheaply as possible, not sample a range of whiskies.

I don't think this is really accurate. As others have mentioned, the price savings on high end spirits are even better than on cheap ones. I know plenty of people who if they're on a quiet night will happily drink a few Redbreasts or similar in 'spoons. At savings of almost 10eur a drink on a double there vs in one of the other local pubs its a pretty huge difference.

donaghs

SteM wrote: »

But they're going to Wetherspoons to get drunk as cheaply as possible, not sample a range of whiskies.

This point has already been answered throughout the thread in relation to craft beer. People are waiting for a Dublin city centre to buy craft beer that's sometimes almost half the price of the nearby pubs.

BeerNut

Licence granted to Abbey Street (subject to planning compliance) and it's due to be open by Christmas. No word on Camden Street but I'm guessing it's a bigger job.

Subcomandante Marcos

BeerNut wrote: »

Licence granted to Abbey Street (subject to planning compliance) and it's due to be open by Christmas. No word on Camden Street but I'm guessing it's a bigger job.

Great spot for a spoons.

L1011

Doesn't say where the extinguished licence is coming from which is the kind of barely relevant detail I live off

Idbatterim

Fantastic. I have had enough of the being bled dry in Dublin when drinking. Hence I’ve massively curtailed it ... can’t wait for the Camden streeet one to open!