VW Caddy 1.6 TDi 75 BHP Remap?

The Pontiac

Thinking about buying a new Caddy. There's about €1600 in the difference between the 75bhp and 102bhp.

Would remapping the 75bhp version be a mad thing to do on a brand new van? What would be a safe output for this engine? Don't want it eating clutches etc.

It would probably invalidate the warranty too.

Just sold my 150bhp Saab, and feel the 75bhp Caddy will drive me nuts.

Test driving Caddys on Saturday.

corkgsxr

Can ya not get the 2 litre. Far better engine imo.

If not id just go for the higher output

Anan1

I'd sooner pay €1600 less the cost of the remap more for the 102bhp with a warranty.

mullingar

I'd buy the 102 and get that remapped to 130-140!

Drummerboy08

corkgsxr wrote: »

Can ya not get the 2 litre. Far better engine imo.

If not id just go for the higher output

Mad money compared to the 1.6.

dsgking

go for the 2.0 140, over 5 years it would pay for itself, well worth it and would be rare when selling

Henry Ford III

Are the engines identical?

For example apparently the current Focus 1.6 TDCI 115bhp has a different turbo and injectors to the 95bhp version.

bazz26

Isn't there a 90bhp 1.6 TDi Caddy too?

Remember that any VW recommended software updates that a dealer applies when it's in for a service can override any remap you have done.

Drummerboy08

dsgking wrote: »

go for the 2.0 140, over 5 years it would pay for itself, well worth it and would be rare when selling

How would it pay for itself?

The Pontiac

Thanks for all the replies. Have read all and taken advise on board.

Don't think a remap is a good choice now tbh.

I'll test drive on Saturday and see. The 2.0 140bhp is out of the question, too expensive.

A 12 reg 1.6 102 bhp is another option.

corkgsxr

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

How would it pay for itself?

Less problems.

If I was buying new I wouldn't buy a 1.6 diesel in a fit.

tossy

corkgsxr wrote: »

Less problems.

If I was buying new I wouldn't buy a 1.6 diesel in a fit.

That's flawed thinking surely.

Remap always makes sense no matter what (turbo)engine you have

Drummerboy08

corkgsxr wrote: »

Less problems.

If I was buying new I wouldn't buy a 1.6 diesel in a fit.

Care to expand on that?

Bpmull

corkgsxr wrote: »

Less problems.

If I was buying new I wouldn't buy a 1.6 diesel in a fit.

It's a 1.6 vag diesel not a 1.6hdi peugoet engine. My parents have never had an issue with there 1.6tdi octavia. There a good engine you'd rarely here anything bad about them. I know someone with a 1.6tdi roomster with 200k km on it and nothing major has gone wrong with it. However if it was a 1.6hdi engine I could understand your concern. As I have a 1.6tdci focus which has my heart broken.

I never understand the European obsession with sticking crap engines into vehicles.

What's worse is companies will only buy the weakest engine for employees and they have to drive the crap out of them which is worse for economy.

Op I wouldn't buy the 1.6, not even the 104 ps.

It's ridiculous the price of cars with decent engines.

bazz26

In fairness it's a van. They are usually not tuned for quick 0-60 times or top speeds like a car. I'd imagine a 1.6 TDi Caddy has a different torque curve to that of a Golf with the same engine. An empty Caddy would be a lot lighter too.

It's not just about speed or about 0-100 times, it's about comfort and not having the stress of having to drive the nuts out of the vehicle which is also inefficient.

Sure it's just a van but having driven underpowered vans in my day I can only say I wished they had a lot more power, even the old 1.9PD in the 06 Caddy I drove could have done with a lot more power. I couldn't imagine a 75 ps one, though I did drive a few straight non turbo 98-00 caddy's who were torture to drive. And could hardly go past 100 km/h with your foot to the floor with a roof rack and ladders.

bazz26

I don't know, a lot of Caddy type vans I see on the road tend to be driven like the were stolen but then again they are probably driven that way by drivers who don't give a toss because they don't own them.

lomb

Only people with an interest in cars would want the large engined version ergo they would be willing to pay more. It is a laugh when a base golf is 20k and something with a reasonable level of power is 30. The difference in cost to VW would be less than 1k even including the extras. OZ makes alloys under the MSW brand with all the approvals that run straighter and are stronger than any oem wheel for less than 130e per wheel in 18s. Im sure VW would pay less than half that. The original wheels on a base golf would still cost something so no real cost to VW.

[QUOTE=dsgking;86290678

I have a 1.9 dsg caddy chipped, bought new nearly 6 years ago and not one bit of trouble yet thank god, I wouldn't swap for a new 1.6 version[/QUOTE]

Old 1.9 is a noisy tractor though.

Make sure to get the DSG oil changed every 40K miles.

Do the garages even do this ?

sofitalliah

dsgking wrote: »

life is too short for spending it on the road. you wouldn't get home until all hours with 75hp. I would rather have the power myself but everyone is different. it is safer to have the power and torque for passing out anyway.

if you had to put a trailer on a 1.6 75hp or 102hp it would be on its knees. you wont beat cc's , all these small engines are maxed out and that's why they are all giving turbo and injector trouble.

I have a 1.9 dsg caddy chipped, bought new nearly 6 years ago and not one bit of trouble yet thank god, I wouldn't swap for a new 1.6 version

Ah now in all fairness landing home hours late because its a 75ps unit is a bit far fetched now isnt it.;)

Its all how you drive not what you drive, I often see people driving big barges who fail to complete a overtaking manoeuvre whilst a clapped out Corolla can pass no bother.

dsgking

Deleted User wrote: »

Old 1.9 is a noisy tractor though.

Make sure to get the DSG oil changed every 40K miles.

Do the garages even do this ?

noisey enough alright but id rather have making noise than putting a tow rope on it, its still for work at the end the day, you still need a car if you have a van anyway.

ya got the dsg oil done once at 65 kms and will prob be due again in 6 months time. about 180 euro at a main vw garage dealer

For me it's more comfort than speed, I don't like fighting with the gears all the time to get the damn thing moving.

I like to have a bit of poke for overtaking. And mountain climbing. I don't like the sound of a stressed diesel engine.

dsgking

Deleted User wrote: »

For me it's more comfort than speed, I don't like fighting with the gears all the time to get the damn thing moving.

I like to have a bit of poke for overtaking. And mountain climbing. I don't like the sound of a stressed diesel engine.

530d so is your best bet

dsgking

dsgking wrote: »

530d so is your best bet

Sure, a 530-535 D might actually get me back into diesel again, but the price of them 2nd hand is mad. And they usually have mad mileage.

Seriously though, a decent bit of power, even the 140 ps would be far better in the Passat.

Indeed I'm sure is fantastic, what's the fuel economy like ?

Road tax ? I presume the 535 is auto ?

dsgking

dsgking wrote: »

can only be got in auto, road tax 1500, 35 ish to the gallon driving normal hard driving 25 - 26

jaysus, 35 ish mpg, would be nice if I had a short commute, but If I was working in Dublin that is 60 Euro's in the prius. Would be about 110 in the 535. :eek:

The 3.0L petrols hardly do much worse than that ? converting to LPG would probably be more like 45-50 mpg on Diesel.

George Dalton

Just to throw in an on-topic post. I'm not sure if there is a remap available for the 75bhp 1.6TDI Caddy yet. I do know Joe Power was working on it a couple of months back when I enquired about it for a customer but I'm not sure if he is offering it yet.

Drummerboy08

Fairly sure he can map them at this stage.

Not 100% but the last time I spoke to him about it he could.

Gary ITR

George Dalton wrote: »

Just to throw in an on-topic post. I'm not sure if there is a remap available for the 75bhp 1.6TDI Caddy yet. I do know Joe Power was working on it a couple of months back when I enquired about it for a customer but I'm not sure if he is offering it yet.

Ya he can map them a few months now

ltdslipdiff

Wild card here...the 'new' Kangoo isn't as noddy looking anymore, drives better and can be got with a 110bhp dCi with 6 speed and a/c. 5 Year Warranty too. Its also torquier that the Caddy TDi.....

The Pontiac

Thanks for all the excellent advice. Going to Blackwater Motors today and will report back!

The Pontiac

The new Kangoo looks much better alright. Nearly everyone tells me to get a Caddy though.

From my limited research, it appears all the 1.6 tdi engines are the same, just powered differently before they left the factory.

It'd seem mad to pay the premium (€1600 ish) for the 102 bhp, if someone like Joe Power can work his magic on the 75 bhp version. Maybe bring it to 100 horses.

I saw the Fiat Doblo van on carzone with 1.6 105 hp and I think 115 hp for 12,800 euro's ?

I know what I'd be buying and it wouldn't be a Caddy 75 hp at 16,500 Euro's.

You could get A/C and all for a lot less.

Fiat make cracking cars these days, and great engines.

The Pontiac

Deleted User wrote: »

I saw the Fiat Doblo van on carzone with 1.6 105 hp and I think 115 hp for 12,800 euro's ?

I know what I'd be buying and it wouldn't be a Caddy 75 hp at 16,500 Euro's.

You could get A/C and all for a lot less.

Fiat make cracking cars these days, and great engines.

Any link? Thanks. But this is surely after VAT, thus making it €1300 dearer than an entry-level Caddy.

bazz26

It is plus VAT:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Fiat/Doblo/1.6TD-SWB/34413644617589480/

R.O.R

I reckon you could get a better discount off a doblo than a caddy..

The Pontiac

bazz26 wrote: »

It is plus VAT:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Fiat/Doblo/1.6TD-SWB/34413644617589480/

Was thinking that too. Nice enough van though.

The Pontiac

Just paid a deposit on a new pre-registered Caddy. It's the 75 bhp version, and it didn't feel too bad to drive at all. Can't really justify the price premium for the 102 bhp at the moment.

I need a van fast and don't want to wait 6-8 weeks for options like air-con etc.

My one has the electric pack! Imagine that - electric windows and front fog lights.

Thanks again for the advice. Might look into increasing the power down the line a bit.

Just waiting on my VAT number to arrive.

tossy

The Pontiac wrote: »

Just paid a deposit on a new pre-registered Caddy. It's the 75 bhp version, and it didn't feel too bad to drive at all. Can't really justify the price premium for the 102 bhp at the moment.

I need a van fast and don't want to wait 6-8 weeks for options like air-con etc.

My one has the electric pack! Imagine that - electric windows and front fog lights.

Thanks again for the advice. Might look into increasing the power down the line a bit.

Just waiting on my VAT number to arrive.

Best of luck with it.

D16TURBO

I've been looking about mapping my own car recently and have seen plenty of companies able to remap the 1.6 tdi VAG engine even the 75 bhp in the caddy can be brought up to 140 bhp. There are some members over on Briskoda who have done this to their 75 bhp Fabia's so its worth a look.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/264027-16-tdi-remap/

GTDolanator

Deleted User wrote: »

I saw the Fiat Doblo van on carzone with 1.6 105 hp and I think 115 hp for 12,800 euro's ?

I know what I'd be buying and it wouldn't be a Caddy 75 hp at 16,500 Euro's.

You could get A/C and all for a lot less.

Fiat make cracking cars these days, and great engines.

Have you actually sat in a new doblo?

cheap horrible and nasty goes for the combo too

Mycroft H

GTDolanator wrote: »

Have you actually sat in a new doblo?

cheap horrible and nasty goes for the combo too

Caddy isn't 4k euros better. Doblo is a fine van for what it is.

The Pontiac

D16TURBO wrote: »

I've been looking about mapping my own car recently and have seen plenty of companies able to remap the 1.6 tdi VAG engine even the 75 bhp in the caddy can be brought up to 140 bhp. There are some members over on Briskoda who have done this to their 75 bhp Fabia's so its worth a look.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/264027-16-tdi-remap/

I was reading about this in the UK forums too.

After the driving it today though I think 140 bhp would be too much. It just would feel right for a van imo. The torque wasn't bad from the 75. It wouldn't drive me nuts (not yet anyway).

I'd say 100 bhp would be perfect.

The Pontiac

BX 19 wrote: »

Caddy isn't 4k euros better. Doblo is a fine van for what it is.

But the Caddy isn't €4k dearer.

I got mine for €11,900 excluding VAT. About €15700 before VAT. I was only concerned of the figure after VAT.

That makes the Caddy €400 cheaper than the Doblo linked earlier.

The Caddy will hold its value much better too. They fetch crazy money used.

corkgsxr

Deleted User wrote: »

I saw the Fiat Doblo van on carzone with 1.6 105 hp and I think 115 hp for 12,800 euro's ?

I know what I'd be buying and it wouldn't be a Caddy 75 hp at 16,500 Euro's.

You could get A/C and all for a lot less.

Fiat make cracking cars these days, and great engines.

Yep there so good the corporation stopped buying them.

Snapping timing chains

Wiper and window motors go.

Heater radiators leak quite commonly

Very easy to tip over.

General opinion is the ford transit connect is best of the bunch with the 1.8

They don't use caddys though.

An post have found the caddys best.

And the berlingo and variants the worst

I drove the 70 hp and the 90 hp transit connect, granted they were 2006-8 ish models.

The 70 hp was really annoying to drive, I mean I could hardly over take, and fighting with the gears really was a tiring pile of crap to drive.

The 90 was much better, I could have done with more.

The handling was decent and the steering had good feel.

Worst of all was the noise, it was really tiring and the radio was useless, the van was so loud that the radio had to be turned up too loud and was distorted.

Have to say one of the worst vans ever.

Maybe they are better now ?

Henry Ford III

D16TURBO wrote: »

I've been looking about mapping my own car recently and have seen plenty of companies able to remap the 1.6 tdi VAG engine even the 75 bhp in the caddy can be brought up to 140 bhp. There are some members over on Briskoda who have done this to their 75 bhp Fabia's so its worth a look.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/264027-16-tdi-remap/

Brakes, suspension, transmission etc. would all become suspect with nearly double the stock engine power.

The Pontiac

There's a new model Connect due in 2014.

ted1

I've a 07 1.9tdi caddy its my second 07 one. At 200k they begin to give lots if problems . DMF, wiring looms, oil going into cooling system, etc, etc

corkgsxr

corkgsxr wrote: »

Yep there so good the corporation stopped buying them.

Snapping timing chains

Wiper and window motors go.

Heater radiators leak quite commonly

Very easy to tip over.

General opinion is the ford transit connect is best of the bunch with the 1.8

They don't use caddys though.

An post have found the caddys best.

And the berlingo and variants the worst

Well in my experience of driving vans, the volkswagens were the most unreliable of all, I clocked over 300,000 miles in them. Worst was the newer caddy, not the current facelift but the previous with the pd engines.

I had 2 of them from new and the flywheel and front left wheel bearing failed after 15,000 Kms and the next one the flywheel failed, but I didn't own it by then.

Maybe the facelift is better and as vans go they are probably the nicest on the road but I'd certainly be taking out an extended warranty on them.

I had the 1.9 pd 104 hp and I couldn't imaging driving anything less, it would drive me mad. The 2.0l wasn't available at the time but it would have been my first choice.

I drove the combo with the 1.3 multijet and it wasn't bad, but at higher speeds it lacked, same engine as the fiat, I found it very economical it was a good engine.

The 1.6 fiats have no timing chains. And are reliable.

I haven't heard much problems with the fiats, one of the companies I worked had Opel and fiat vans and they were very reliable.

I found the caddy suspension poor as it banged over bumps with a hard thud. Maybe the facelift is better ?