Sean O'Rourke Today Show

mgn

Thank f*ck we wont have to listen to that clown Harris for much longer

generalgerry

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Missed the start of it...what is Harris's concern here?

The anonymity of the woman who brought the virus in to the country. It's a good interview with O'Rourke, worth a listen back.

I think if anybody wonders why Sean O'Rourke is going to retire from the job, they should just listen to the frustration of trying to get a straight answer from Simon Harris today.

Brendan Bendar

generalgerry wrote: »

How in God's name are you meant to know if you are in danger or not if they wont even let people know what train, plane and automobile the woman was on. Ridiculous, but what would you expect from Harris.

Fair play to Sean O'Rourke for picking him up on his nonsense.

Fair play to Harris, every nutjob in the country texting in with bullschidt and bolloxology.

Bottom line, the experts say all folk who have been in need of contact have been contacted.

That’s good enough for me, there are times when one needs to trust the experts, we do it every day.

O’Rourke asking if Harris would stake his career on the doctors advice?

Did you ever hear such rubbish.... he has to accept the advice, he not a doctor... very poor of O’Rourke.

No we prefer to listen to some dough boy eating chips in his taxi texting in bull.

Grow the fchuurk up folk........

glasspicklejar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Fair play to Harris, every nutjob in the country texting in with bullschidt and bolloxology.

Bottom line, the experts say all folk who have been in need of contact have been contacted.

That’s good enough for me, there are times when one needs to trust the experts, we do it every day.

O’Rourke asking if Harris would stake his career on the doctors advice?

Did you ever hear such rubbish.... he has to accept the advice, he not a doctor... very poor of O’Rourke.

No we prefer to listen to some dough boy eating chips in his taxi texting in bull.

Grow the fchuurk up folk........

To make this more general... If a user of public transport was identified as having Covid-19 and the HSE knew they travelled on bus ABC at 13:50 on this date between locations X and Y, how would the HSE identify the other passengers on that bus? I agree that we have to trust the experts, but just answer that hypothetical question.

If in this case of Italy- Dublin- Belfast they are 100% sure they have contacted the other users of the form of transport, it must have been a taxi where the other users were know to the patient.

terryduff12

Trust the experts �� how good did they deal with the CervicalCheck scandal on the ball were they? Experts also are in charge of building a cheap hospital in Dublin.

Brendan Bendar

glasspicklejar wrote: »

To make this more general... If a user of public transport was identified as having Covid-19 and the HSE knew they travelled on bus ABC at 13:50 on this date between locations X and Y, how would the HSE identify the other passengers on that bus? I agree that we have to trust the experts, but just answer that hypothetical question.

If in this case of Italy- Dublin- Belfast they are 100% sure they have contacted the other users of the form of transport, it must have been a taxi where the other users were know to the patient.

I have no idea glass, no idea.

It is none of my business,and nothing to do with me , not my skill set.

However if the chief qualified officer in charge announces that all those who need to be contacted have been contacted that’s good enough for me in this event.

I was laughing at all these ‘ contributors’ who were countering with other issues.

They must be all living in an ideal world where nothing ever goes wrong.

If I send in my motor in to a qualified person for a service and am told the car is fully serviced,I don’t drive it home and start checking everything in detail, I take the engineers report.

FFS let’s have a bit of sense here, O’Rourke was way over the top here.

elperello

HSE has poor credibility among the public.

Harris knows this and still even on his way out the door he allows himself to be a mouthpiece for "experts".

Colm Brophy's ham fisted attack on S'OR only served to make a bad situation worse.

FrancieBrady

Minister who disappeared for two months to avoid accountability and scrutiny, avoids questions on his competence. Those asking the questions get attacked on here instead.

Surprised?

glasspicklejar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I have no idea glass, no idea.

It is none of my business,and nothing to do with me , not my skill set.

However if the chief qualified officer in charge announces that all those who need to be contacted have been contacted that’s good enough for me in this event.

So the news suggests it was the Enterprise train and anyone can buy a ticket on that train, don't have to reserve online, etc... So how does the chief qualified officer know? I appreciate I'm not a doctor, but my question isn't a clinical one, just a simple 'How do you identify people that were on a train if they can just buy a ticket with cash and board the train?'

Brendan Bendar

elperello wrote: »

HSE has poor credibility among the public.

Harris knows this and still even on his way out the door he allows himself to be a mouthpiece for "experts".

Colm Brophy's ham fisted attack on S'OR only served to make a bad situation worse.

What should he do, tell the fully qualified and trained people to stand aside and take over himself although totally unqualified professionally in any medical field?

Great idea that :rolleyes:

mikep

Areas of the HSE has poor credibility OK but when the SARS virus was on the go it was detected Sligo ( I think) the hospital there ran things according to the relevant protocol and contained the situation. HSE deserve some credit where it is due.
Yesterday another expert on the radio stated that they were very satisfied on how the HSE experts were handling things..

Sometimes we have to allow the professionals to do their job without the constant, ill informed, commentary/scare mongering..

Nevin Parsnipp

elperello wrote: »

HSE has poor credibility among the public.

Harris knows this and still even on his way out the door he allows himself to be a mouthpiece for "experts".

Colm Brophy's ham fisted attack on S'OR only served to make a bad situation worse.

Wouldn't call it ham fisted.....those baloon trousered fat cats in RTE need to be called out on occasion.

O'Rourke is generally fair and balanced ...but his treatment of Minister Harris was way out of order and properly called out by Brophy.

elperello

No problem with the professionals doing the best they can with the resources available to them.

Harris was on national radio supposedly to communicate with the public.

He should have taken charge of the narrative rather than remain the prisoner of "advisers".

mikep

I expect the "advisers" in this case are the experts who know what they are talking about.

I didn't hear him on SOR but when he was on D+D of TFM he was relaying what he has been told by the experts...that is his job..He doesn't need to know more than them and thankfully is not running about making statements that aren't based on expert advice..

Brendan Bendar

glasspicklejar wrote: »

So the news suggests it was the Enterprise train and anyone can buy a ticket on that train, don't have to reserve online, etc... So how does the chief qualified officer know? I appreciate I'm not a doctor, but my question isn't a clinical one, just a simple 'How do you identify people that were on a train if they can just buy a ticket with cash and board the train?'

I have no idea, and the news doesn’t know either, but somebody knows and the chief medical officer has pointed out that all those who needed to be contacted have been contacted.

There’s the answer,glass, there’s loads of stuff the public are not party to for obvious reasons, otherwise these tools and nut cases would start the conspiracy theories and cause total panic.

Bit of sense glass, that’s all that’s required, stay calm, don’t panic.


Simples.

Brendan Bendar

elperello wrote: »

No problem with the professionals doing the best they can with the resources available to them.

Harris was on national radio supposedly to communicate with the public.

He should have taken charge of the narrative rather than remain the prisoner of "advisers".

He did communicate, just you didn’t like it,and couldn’t resist having a ‘cut’ and showing your lack of understanding how situations like this are best handled.

Every event like this has its uninformed band of stirrers .

elperello

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

Wouldn't call it ham fisted.....those baloon trousered fat cats in RTE need to be called out on occasion.

O'Rourke is generally fair and balanced ...but his treatment of Minister Harris was way out of order and properly called out by Brophy.

S'OR was doing his job.
Brophy didn't call him out he attacked his reputation as a journalist.

elperello

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

He did communicate, just you didn’t like it,and couldn’t resist having a ‘cut’ and showing your lack of understanding how situations like this are best handled.

Every event like this has its uninformed band of stirrers .

Hopeless ad hominem attack.

Brendan Bendar

elperello wrote: »

Hopeless ad hominem attack.

In what way...

elperello

I don't lack understanding.
I'm not uninformed.
I'm not a stirrer.

But then it's not all about you and me.

Brendan Bendar

elperello wrote: »

I don't lack understanding.
I'm not uninformed.
I'm not a stirrer.

But then it's not all about you and me.

My apologies but I was not referring to you as a ‘stirrer’.

With respect, your posts indicate a lack of understanding as to how to handle events like this.

Expecting an unqualified person to not accept the advice of a highly qualified person with training in the field,and communicate differently, for me would indicate a lack of understanding.

But if I was wrong there, my apologies there too.

elperello

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

My apologies but I was not referring to you as a ‘stirrer’.

With respect, your posts indicate a lack of understanding as to how to handle events like this.

Expecting an unqualified person to not accept the advice of a highly qualified person with training in the field,and communicate differently, for me would indicate a lack of understanding.

But if I was wrong there, my apologies there too.

Apologies accepted but unnecessary.

What we have here is just a difference of opinion about Minister Harris's communication strategy today.

glasspicklejar

Maybe the facial recognition system installed on the Enterprise allowed the powers that be to identify the passengers that 'randomly' shared the journey with the patient. /s
Maybe they were the only passengers in that carriage.
I don't think it's unreasonable to ask how 'randomers' would be identified in these circumstances.
As someone on radio said, fear of the virus is a virus itself and they obviously are trying to manage that. However, providing 'woolly' answers or 'trust us' answers only goes so far.

Ger Roe

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Expecting an unqualified person to not accept the advice of a highly qualified person with training in the field,and communicate differently, for me would indicate a lack of understanding.

I am old enough to have been let down by expert opinion on very many occasions over many years. The whole country has.... don't build an extra lane on the M50, the banks are fine, there is no bailout required, we will solve the trolley crisis, the children's hospital will come in on budget - we have an expert overseeing board in place, e vote machines will be a game changer, don't link up the two luas lines etc, etc, etc... excuse me for being cynical, but all the experts have to do is to deny the bleeding obvious until they reach the same common sense conclusion that 'non experts' did on day one, and then they simply change policy after getting some other best practice opinion.

Many a politician has gone down by taking expert opinion as gospel and not even trying to tease out the apparent contradictions... it's too easy to hide behind the expert opinion and then have someone else to blame.

Sean O Rourke was absolutely right to challenge and put the common sense argument forward. Expert opinion is only best practice until it is forced to change.

Brendan Bendar

Ger Roe wrote: »

I am old enough to have been let down by expert opinion on very many occasions over many years. The whole country has.... don't build an extra lane on the M50, the banks are fine, there is no bailout required, we will solve the trolley crisis, the children's hospital will come in on budget - we have an expert overseeing board in place, e vote machines will be a game changer, don't link up the two luas lines etc, etc, etc... excuse me for being cynical, but all the experts have to do is to deny the bleeding obvious until they reach the same common sense conclusion that 'non experts' did on day one, and then they simply change policy after getting some other best practice opinion.

Many a politician has gone down by taking expert opinion as gospel and not even trying to tease out the apparent contradictions... it's too easy to hide behind the expert opinion and then have someone else to blame.

Sean O Rourke was absolutely right to challenge and put the common sense argument forward. Expert opinion is only best practice until it is forced to change.

Unfortunately you are completely wrong ger.

You are conflating ‘how to handle a situation’ with actually ‘handling a situation’

Let me try to explain how events like this are planned.

Let’s say there is a terrorist attack on our city, a serious attack with possibly more to come.

Now there, like in the current situation, there are highly qualified, highly trained personel on hand, trained operatives, facilities available to manage expectations of the citizens.

Then the event event momentum changes and another facet comes up,
there has been contact and now the public are involved and want information.

Those in charge, untrained, will then be asked by the media for info.

They will go to the trained experts and request guidance as how to handle this .

The experts will take in the potential panic of the public and advise those in charge how to relay to the media what exactly is happening but not contributing to fueling panic.


Those who understand how to ‘handle’ the overall event for public consumption are properly trained.

O’Rourke was way way offside pillorying Harris, way offside.

Very surprised at his lack of understanding but the media have another agenda, and fair play to Harris he was spot on in putting him in his box.

Just a suggestion for yourself, hindsight is great after the event, you need to differentiate planning from execution.

Topper lad.

generalgerry

First case of Coronavirus in the East of Ireland. I wonder were they one of the one's that were contacted by Harris.

Jinglejangle69

generalgerry wrote: »

First case of Coronavirus in the East of Ireland. I wonder were they one of the one's that were contacted by Harris.

Why do you wonder that?

Brendan Bendar

generalgerry wrote: »

First case of Coronavirus in the East of Ireland. I wonder were they one of the one's that were contacted by Harris.

ger, letting yourself down, why don’t you concentrate on the subject matter instead of trying to troll the thread.

generalgerry

It will be interesting to see if history judges Brendan's aloof, "Ministerial" responses as kindly as the actual Minister's.

Brendan Bendar

generalgerry wrote: »

It will be interesting to see if history judges Brendan's aloof, "Ministerial" responses as kindly as the actual Minister's.

Doubt it, however the procedure being followed is correct.

Manage the public, manage the problem.

Otherwise every flapper in the country would be becoming a Coronavirus expert.