Vicon spreader- anyone ever have this problem.

20silkcut

I can't get the hopper to sit back in to the frame properly. The most frustrating aspect is that I can't see why it won't .
It always sat right just one day it decided not too. The spreader did not get a bang or anything.

I said I would try here before I take the angle grinder to the frame and make it sit back right.

I attached a photo showing the gap at the bottom of the hopper.

pakalasa

I have one of the older types. What exactly did you do with it? Did you strip anything underneath?
Had you this plate off?

arais

should there be a rubber ring there? I had a cosmo and there was a rubber seal in that area

20silkcut

pakalasa wrote: »

I have one of the older types. What exactly did you do with it? Did you strip anything underneath?
Had you this plate off?

The front bearing went in it at the same time as this problem arose. The gap was there before I stripped it for that. I just ignored it and hoped it would all come back right. But it hasn't. Didn't touch the part your showing. Just the front bearing.

20silkcut

arais wrote: »

should there be a rubber ring there? I had a cosmo and there was a rubber seal in that area

No it just sits there. Can be taken on or off very easily. But usually sits snug.

towzer2010

Should there not be a rubber seal there? I have a cosmo that's based on the same design and there's a rubber seal at the bottom of the auger.

td5man

20silkcut wrote: »

The front bearing went in it at the same time as this problem arose. The gap was there before I stripped it for that. I just ignored it and hoped it would all come back right. But it hasn't. Didn't touch the part your showing. Just the front bearing.

Did you have a trailer on the spreader hitch that could have bent the frame down.

Figerty

Would say you haven't reassembled correctly somewhere along the line. Something is above something else when it should be below it. the hopper should drop down into the plate. I don't think there as seal missing.

Have a look at the manual for your machine

http://www.triplehequipment.com/viconmanuals.htm

blue5000

OP there are two bolts with a long handle on the nuts either side of the frame to hold on the hopper. Have you them open? They can sieze up from fertiliser corroding them.

lab man

20 silkcut, all is fine, some times when putting them back the hopper just won't fit on the square frame i bet it will rock back and forth on the frame. what you do is put the hopper on the ground upside down, and put the frame down on it and when its together lift it with a front loader to stand it back upright, lab man

20silkcut

Thanks some great help here always pays to ask the audience before taking the drastic angle grinder option.

20silkcut

Ok tried turning upside down and the gap was still there. Tried cutting the frame that did not work either. Time to call in the experts I think. Damn frustrating problem. Even put a round bale (not smart) in it to force the gap to close. It seems a small enough problem but its a major pain in the ass. Have a field of after grass waiting for fertiliser and a herd of bullocks waiting to get into it.
Can get a loan off a neighbour no bother but it is so frustrating having spent 800 quid buying this thing and 500 quid last year on a set of bearings and another 200 this year and then every one else has no trouble with their vicon spreaders and says there great , well I think they are absolutely sh1t and a massive rip off.
Apologies for the rant just had to get it off my chest. I know it's a used one imported from uk probably worked its socks off. Really I was codded by the gangster I bought it off.

pakalasa

20silkcut wrote: »

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Time for a deep breath. Don't force it. You'll do damage.
Ok, there are two side bolts, are these down fully in the slots? Also on the front of the hopper, there is a plate with a hole that sits down over a pin on the frame. Have you it sitting in this?
Can you take a pic of where the hopper it is contacting all round?
It may be the wrong hopper for the frame?
We have our one 20 Years. Never gave much trouble, except rust from time.

td5man

It depends on the size of spreader as to how the hopper is held on.
Its sounds like the bottom of the frame has bent Down.

Cavanjack

20silkcut wrote: »

Ok tried turning upside down and the gap was still there. Tried cutting the frame that did not work either. Time to call in the experts I think. Damn frustrating problem. Even put a round bale (not smart) in it to force the gap to close. It seems a small enough problem but its a major pain in the ass. Have a field of after grass waiting for fertiliser and a herd of bullocks waiting to get into it.
Can get a loan off a neighbour no bother but it is so frustrating having spent 800 quid buying this thing and 500 quid last year on a set of bearings and another 200 this year and then every one else has no trouble with their vicon spreaders and says there great , well I think they are absolutely sh1t and a massive rip off.
Apologies for the rant just had to get it off my chest. I know it's a used one imported from uk probably worked its socks off. Really I was codded by the gangster I bought it off.

Did the 500 quid on bearings include labour or was that just for parts? I've one stripped at the minute and didn't think I'd have to spend anywhere near 500 on bearings

td5man

Cavanjack wrote: »

Did the 500 quid on bearings include labour or was that just for parts? I've one stripped at the minute and didn't think I'd have to spend anywhere near 500 on bearings

Bearings including aluminium housing should be around 150-200, the housing is the dearest bit.

20silkcut

Ok don't know how to do this properly so will do them as individual posts.

Here is a pic of the screw at bottom of hopper this is tightened as tight as it will go.

20silkcut

This is the one at the other side.

20silkcut

These are the housing screws

20silkcut

This is where I cut the frame

20silkcut

This is where I tried to pull the frame together by twisting the rope but did not solve the problem.

20silkcut

Cavanjack wrote: »

Did the 500 quid on bearings include labour or was that just for parts? I've one stripped at the minute and didn't think I'd have to spend anywhere near 500 on bearings

500 quid includes labour yes. Got it done in a garage.

pakalasa

Completely diferent from the one I have. Jasuz, the old design is a lot better. Can you throw up a pic of the tractor side?

dharn

Is the hopper sitting snugly on the top of the frame ,from what I can see it seems to be up off the frame under the top lip of the hopper, is it not just kept in place with 2 rubber stretchy yokes

20silkcut

dharn wrote: »

Is the hopper sitting snugly on the top of the frame ,from what I can see it seems to be up off the frame under the top lip of the hopper, is it not just kept in place with 2 rubber stretchy yokes

Thats right It is kept in place by the two rubber latches. The hopper is sitting snugly on the tractor side but not on the spout side. When i manoeuvre it to sit snugly on the spout side it is off on the tractor side and the bottom is out completely. There appears to be nothing stopping it from sitting in snugly but not even the weight of a bale of silage could force it into place or its own weight upside down.

Pakalasa, here is a picture from the tractor side :

pakalasa

Is this the type? Is the frame the same? If the frame didnt get strained then the lower part must have moved in some way.
You could use c-clamps all around the top, tighten up slowly guiding it into the lower part as you go.

dharn

I have the exact same model, im really baffelled looking at it, all I can think is that the plate and the revolving plate that opens must be reassembled incorrectly they dont seem to be level , does the machine work , run smoothly ?

arais

This is proberbly a very stupid question but since your'e not making much headway can't think of much else

any chance the hopper is turned back to front , ie rotated 90 degrees

dharn

No you can see the vicon stickers on the back so thats not it on reading again I see the problem happened before the bearing was done ,so all I can think of is that the frame is bent its like as if the hopper I tilted forward , as if the frame was reversed in to something

20silkcut

dharn wrote: »

No you can see the vicon stickers on the back so thats not it on reading again I see the problem happened before the bearing was done ,so all I can think of is that the frame is bent its like as if the hopper I tilted forward , as if the frame was reversed in to something

That could well be the cause. I was filling out of a big 500kg bag which was on a trailer. I hit the trailer once or twice when backing up to it. Trailer was a big heavy steel former truck body. That must be the cause. The frame must have warped. Surprised it didn't happen anyone here before though. What is the solution??? Angle grinder. Get the hopper sitting right and re-weld the frame around it ??

Figerty

Silkcut,
Something about this tells me there is something wrong with the reassesmbley.You should have noticed the bent frame before as it serioulsy out of line now, although when you did loosen everything it could have popped.
Could you take a photo of the side of the machine while mounted. If the frames is strained, then it will be out of parallel.

nashmach

Has to be a bent frame.

Set the spreader on the ground.

Check if the ground is level in all directions and then measure the distance to the top of the frame. Should all be the same size.

I'm surprised you didn't do more harm if you gave it a good thud!

blue5000

Sorry thought you had an older vicon, disregard my earlier post. Are some of these slightly higher in the front? Or is the hopper the same height all round, can you check is the hopper in the same position as it was. Like is the front of the hopper at the front of the machine? Sorry can't explain it clearer.

nashmach

blue5000 wrote: »

Sorry thought you had an older vicon, disregard my earlier post. Are some of these slightly higher in the front? Or is the hopper the same height all round, can you check is the hopper in the same position as it was. Like is the front of the hopper at the front of the machine? Sorry can't explain it clearer.

402 here and it is the same height all around - that looks like a 602 or 802.

Figerty

nashmach wrote: »

402 here and it is the same height all around - that looks like a 602 or 802.

Its an 802 it was on the picture on the first post.

arais

dharn wrote: »

No you can see the vicon stickers on the back so thats not it on reading again I see the problem happened before the bearing was done ,so all I can think of is that the frame is bent its like as if the hopper I tilted forward , as if the frame was reversed in to something

yes I saw the pics later, would really love to get a look at this ,

have2flushtwice

hi 20, I can see from the posts that you are getting very frustrated at this stage, and who wouldn't. So i'll add my idea to help troubleshoot.

by any chance when you sent the spreader to the garage to fit new bearings, would the frame have been bent out of its shape by the bearing press?
it might not be the hopper at all.

if this is the case, bring the lot to the garage and tell them to reassemble.
hope this helps.