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Religious fundamentalism as mental illness
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And as I said they're more likely to be literalists when it comes to their scriptures.clairefontaine wrote: »No Wibbs, what I mean is within Protestanism you have a multitude of options, at least in the US, episcopalian, Anglican, Lutheran, etc eat...there a re hundreds.
That's not a valid comparison. That's like saying Christians have options. After all they can be Catholic, Episcopalian, Anglican, Lutheran, etcAnd the Jews have options too. You can be reformed and not Orthodox for example.
As Nodin said Catholicism is but one branch of Christianity and "you follow this or don't" applies to the other branches too. Actually one could argue that a la carte Catholics are more prevalent than say a la carte Lutherans, though Anglicans/CoI/CoE would be ahead of even them. Hell I'm old enough to remember such a la carte notions back in the last of the bad old days of Irish Catholicism.Catholics don't do this. You follow or you don't.
Take the US. Survey after survey shows that basically half of all Americans polled believe in creationism and only 15% believe in evolution(what the rest believe is up for grabs and some headscratching). I'll bet the farm that the number of US Catholics that believe in creationism is low. Oddly nigh on 80% of Americans believe in angels. I would have thought that kinda thing more a catholic notion, but there you go. These are the same people who nigh on built the middle of the 20th century. They put men on the moon for feck sake and those that did weren't east coast intellectuals, they were corvette driving good old boys for the most part. Real giants of progress, yet today too many think fossils are remains of Noahs flood. WTF? I'm still holding out hope for the 30% of American folks who see this as bullshít.
Sure it's daft, but it's an interesting philosophical/theological construct all the same. Most protestants would believe in the trinity and that's an even bigger fudge, though again interesting in how these guys in the early days worked that problem out.Transubstantiation. Are you kidding me?
Local colour on the faith and while the church has had an uneasy relationship with such practices it usually chooses to ignore them. Again, less literalist. PLus as Benny_Cake said it's as much local culture as anything. Easter in Spain or Italy is bloody great for a knees up and simply having fun, very inclusive too. I know a couple of Italian agnostic/atheist blokes who dress up in the pointy hats and help carry the processional floats at easter. All part of the craic. Build a hangover for Jesus.How about those guys in the Phillipines who crucify themselves on Good Friday? Or some of the weird stuff in Latin America? Or those weird parades in Spain?
Actually Irish catholicism is more akin to more puritan protestant thought in that respect. It's about the dourest Catholicism in Europe there was. Real vale of tears stuff, while the latins were busy getting pissed in the same vale.:D
The Catholic church was usually quite good at that local stuff. Incorporating existing "pagan" cultural stuff into the bosom of mother Rome. Not least in Ireland. The amount of "holy wells" a good example. Such wells were integral parts of the old Celtic religion and when christianity kicked off here they just brought them into the fold. They even turned a bunch of the existing warrior caste into warriors for christ.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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And as I said they're more likely to be literalists when it comes to their scriptures.
That's not a valid comparison. That's like saying Christians have options. After all they can be Catholic, Episcopalian, Anglican, Lutheran, etc
As Nodin said Catholicism is but one branch of Christianity and "you follow this or don't" applies to the other branches too. Actually one could argue that a la carte Catholics are more prevalent than say a la carte Lutherans, though Anglicans/CoI/CoE would be ahead of even them. Hell I'm old enough to remember such a la carte notions back in the last of the bad old days of Irish Catholicism.
Take the US. Survey after survey shows that basically half of all Americans polled believe in creationism and only 15% believe in evolution(what the rest believe is up for grabs and some headscratching). I'll bet the farm that the number of US Catholics that believe in creationism is low. Oddly nigh on 80% of Americans believe in angels. I would have thought that kinda thing more a catholic notion, but there you go. These are the same people who nigh on built the middle of the 20th century. They put men on the moon for feck sake and those that did weren't east coast intellectuals, they were corvette driving good old boys for the most part. Real giants of progress, yet today too many think fossils are remains of Noahs flood. WTF? I'm still holding out hope for the 30% of American folks who see this as bullshít.
Sure it's daft, but it's an interesting philosophical/theological construct all the same. Most protestants would believe in the trinity and that's an even bigger fudge, though again interesting in how these guys in the early days worked that problem out.
Local colour on the faith and while the church has had an uneasy relationship with such practices it usually chooses to ignore them. Again, less literalist. PLus as Benny_Cake said it's as much local culture as anything. Easter in Spain or Italy is bloody great for a knees up and simply having fun, very inclusive too. I know a couple of Italian agnostic/atheist blokes who dress up in the pointy hats and help carry the processional floats at easter. All part of the craic. Build a hangover for Jesus. Actually Irish catholicism is more akin to more puritan protestant thought in that respect. It's about the dourest Catholicism in Europe there was. Real vale of tears stuff, while the latins were busy getting pissed in the same vale.:D
The Catholic church was usually quite good at that local stuff. Incorporating existing "pagan" cultural stuff into the bosom of mother Rome. Not least in Ireland. The amount of "holy wells" a good example. Such wells were integral parts of the old Celtic religion and when christianity kicked off here they just brought them into the fold. They even turned a bunch of the existing warrior caste into warriors for christ.
My guess as to what most Americans believe re creationism or evolution, is that they don't care either way. It doesn't really come up in conversation. Fossils are remains of Noah's flood? That's a new one on me. Don't know ONE single person who believes that.
As for angels, that's all the new agey market. Sucker born every minute. Snake oil salesman. Etc.
Catholics are a minority in the US, mostly Boston and Chicago. The Mexicans might tip the balance in California. I don't know. I reckon most Catholics in the west don't actually believe in transubstantiation, but that technically makes them non believers, not Catholics.0 -
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