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first abortion has taken place in Ireland (under new legislation)

  • 23-08-2013 08:03AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭


    So the first abortion has taken place in Ireland under the new legislation

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/first-abortion-carried-out-under-new-legislation-1.1502946

    The first termination of a pregnancy carried out under the provisions of new abortion legislation has taken place at the National Maternity Hospital on Holles Street, Dublin.
    The termination of the twin pregnancy was carried out on a patient who was almost 18 weeks’ pregnant in view of the risk to her life and the unviability of her pregnancy, according to sources at the hospital. Foetal heartbeat were present.

    Prepare for the howls of anguish from Youth Defence
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,883 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    I hope those right-wing nuts don't find out who she is


  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,657 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I'm delighted they were able to save that womans life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    That is just a disgraceful headline.

    First off, the procedure would have been done without the legislation:
    “Even before the passage of the legislation, Holles Street would have carried out terminations in cases like this, where the prognosis for the pregnancy was very poor,” a senior hospital source said last night. “What’s changed is that we can do our work in the best interests of patients without fear of a possible Medical Council case.”

    Secondly, there is a semantic difference between the term 'abortion' and the term 'termination of an unviable pregnancy', as used elsewhere in the article.

    Attention-grabbing and insensitive. Well done IT.
    I hope the parents are ok.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    It was done under the new legislation though. It's good to see its now easier save a woman's life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Sinfonia wrote: »
    That is just a disgraceful headline.

    First off, the procedure would have been done without the legislation:


    Secondly, there is a semantic difference between the term 'abortion' and the term 'termination of an unviable pregnancy', as used elsewhere in the article.

    Attention-grabbing and insensitive. Well done IT.
    I hope the parents are ok.


    As far as I'm aware, it's still illegal to have a termination based on the viability of the foetus.

    I thought the legislation meant that a termination could only be carried out if the mother's life was in danger?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So the first abortion has taken place in Ireland under the new legislation

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/first-abortion-carried-out-under-new-legislation-1.1502946

    The first termination of a pregnancy carried out under the provisions of new abortion legislation has taken place at the National Maternity Hospital on Holles Street, Dublin.
    The termination of the twin pregnancy was carried out on a patient who was almost 18 weeks’ pregnant in view of the risk to her life and the unviability of her pregnancy, according to sources at the hospital. Foetal heartbeat were present.

    Prepare for the howls of anguish from Youth Defence
    I'd say Youth Defence will keep their heads well down on this one. If they raise any objection, they will have to admit that they would prefer to see the woman die.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Sinfonia wrote: »
    That is just a disgraceful headline.

    First off, the procedure would have been done without the legislation:


    Secondly, there is a semantic difference between the term 'abortion' and the term 'termination of an unviable pregnancy', as used elsewhere in the article.

    Attention-grabbing and insensitive. Well done IT.
    I hope the parents are ok.

    I agree but it also states
    What’s changed is that we can do our work in the best interests of patients without fear of a possible Medical Council case.”

    That's the significant part, Before legislation if they carried out this procedure there was a chance (albeit a small one) that they could be up before the medical council and facing charges.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    As far as I'm aware, it's still illegal to have a termination based on the viability of the foetus.

    I thought the legislation meant that a termination could only be carried out if the mother's life was in danger?

    The mothers life was in danger
    The case bears a number of similarities to that of Savita Halappanavar, in that the woman’s membranes had ruptured and she was demonstrating signs of sepsis.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Eight Ball


    Fantastic news.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Woodbrook80


    I think if the pregnancy was left any longer the same thing would have happened as the Galway case last year as sepis was setting in


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Yay I just received my miniature flag!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    Terribly sad news. & heartbreaking for the family.

    Can't believe their tragic story is being sloshed around in this jubialint way on AH.

    Twins. : (


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    It's good to see that doctors can finally do something without being fearful of being criminally charged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    I hope those right-wing nuts don't find out who she is
    I'd be hoping the media doesn't f**k up in that regard!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    Terribly sad news. & heartbreaking for the family.

    Can't believe their tragic story is being sloshed around in this jubialint way on AH.

    Twins. : (

    Exactly. God help them going through that and then reading about on the papers. It shouldn't really be 'news'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    I think its terrible this is making headline news. That unfortunate woman and what she's been through and now she's a talking point to be chucked around.

    I thought the point of the legislation was to save lives...not to hold it up for all to see and pass judgement on.

    I hope she's recovering well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Who the hell releases this information from a hospital for public consumption?

    Give people some privacy FFS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    Caliden wrote: »
    It's good to see that doctors can finally do something without being fearful of being criminally charged.

    I think they always could, couldn't they? In a situation where the mother was developing a life threatening illness?

    The problem with the halapanavaar case was they didnt know how ill she was or that she was in danger? *can open worms everywhere*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Terribly sad news. & heartbreaking for the family.

    Can't believe their tragic story is being sloshed around in this jubialint way on AH.

    Twins. : (

    No one is celebrating this woman's loss but i will admit to being happy to see the death grip that the church has had on the country finally loosen. Yes she lost her children but she was saved and as sad as the loss is, saving her life was the right thing to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Terribly sad news. & heartbreaking for the family.

    Can't believe their tragic story is being sloshed around in this jubialint way on AH.

    Twins. : (

    I think you might be missing the reason why people are happy for this. Its not celebrating the result of the termination but the fact that it was allowed.

    Although the operation could have been carried out but previously the hospital could have been liable at the Medical Council level. This could have led to a case much like last year where the mother and the unborn twins would have died.

    I think everyone in here knows that this must be a horrible time for the family and those involved.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    I think the procedure took place some time ago. No one has been named. Reporting it will give women confidence in the health system that their health is no longer secondary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Chattastrophe!


    Those poor parents, I can't even imagine how horrific that must have been ... and now to have to face reading about it in the papers. :( Completely wrong.

    Good to hear that the procedure would have been carried out anyways in such circumstances in the past.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    I think they always could, couldn't they? In a situation where the mother was developing a life threatening illness?

    The problem with the halapanavaar case was they didnt know how ill she was or that she was in danger? *can open worms everywhere*

    The case bears a number of similarities to that of Savita Halappanavar, in that the woman’s membranes had ruptured and she was demonstrating signs of sepsis.


    Now they can take action without the worry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Who the hell releases this information from a hospital for public consumption?

    Give people some privacy FFS.

    They didn't release any details that could identify anyone in the article, there was a delay of several weeks between the termination and the release of the story.

    I believe this is a fairly important story that the public should know about and they done their best to ensure privacy of those involved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Chattastrophe!


    efb wrote: »
    I think the procedure took place some time ago. No one has been named.

    Ah yeah, but if you knew of a woman attending Holles St who'd lost twins at 18 weeks within the past couple of months, you'd put two and two together ... there's enough info there for people who know her to identify her.

    She may well have just told people she'd had a miscarriage, I can't imagine she'd want everyone to know the exact circumstances of her loss.

    They could have just reported that a termination had taken place and the reasons for it, without mentioning the hospital or the fact that it was twins or exactly how far along the mother was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Condatis


    Let us pray for the souls of the unborn children whose lives have ended – and for the mother.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Condatis wrote: »
    Let us pray for the souls of the unborn children whose lives have ended – and for the mother.

    Right after i pray to jeebus for me to win a medal in some sports event


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Hannibal Smith


    danniemcq wrote: »
    They didn't release any details that could identify anyone in the article, there was a delay of several weeks between the termination and the release of the story.

    I believe this is a fairly important story that the public should know about and they done their best to ensure privacy of those involved.

    Why should the public know about it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Tlachtga wrote: »
    Ah yeah, but if you knew of a woman attending Holles St who'd lost twins at 18 weeks within the past couple of months, you'd put two and two together ... there's enough info there for people who know her to identify her.

    She may well have just told people she'd had a miscarriage, I can't imagine she'd want everyone to know the exact circumstances of her loss.

    They could have just reported that a termination had taken place and the reasons for it, without mentioning the hospital or the fact that it was twins or exactly how far along the mother was.

    No doubt some busybody somewhere is busily putting 2 and 2 together about the lady involved I'd imagine.

    It's good that the hospital staff could work to prevent a potential death of a lady in pregnancy but poor form from the Times in reporting so much identifying detail about the lady in question.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    danniemcq wrote: »
    They didn't release any details that could identify anyone in the article, there was a delay of several weeks between the termination and the release of the story.

    I believe this is a fairly important story that the public should know about and they done their best to ensure privacy of those involved.

    The fact that she was pregnant with twins, Naming the hospital and her medical conditions could all be used to identify her.

    I agree with Peter Boylan who was on Morning Ireland just now. This is an outrageous breach of patient confidentiality.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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